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Post by rhythmb on Jun 5, 2022 21:36:54 GMT 1
What was the increase pay offer and why are Unite so stubborn about it?
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 6, 2022 0:23:07 GMT 1
Hello to all,
Hopefully some of the regular forum contributers will pick this up later today and may be able to help me out with my enquiries.
So from 2am today there wont be any Arriva buses allowed to leave any of the 5 depots.
I`ve been asked by family members if the bus station at wakefield will still be open as i figured that the other operators will still need somewhere safe to both off load and load their passengers. Also will the various shops/cafe`s still be open for business?.
Also does anyone on here know who the area manager is for Arriva Yorkshire?. I know who both operation managers are and the general manager for the Wakefield division, but i dont know the chain of command above them.
Back in 1992 based at Belle isle i had Michael Hunter who was head of Caldaire holdings, then below him i had Brian Jackson who was the regional manager of all 5 depots, then i had John Shaw who was District Manager and then below him was Kevin Thompson who was Assistant District Manager.
So when the unite reps are in talks with Arriva Management, who exactly do they meet up with?.
I did manage to read the list of demands from the union when i got my ballot paper and i have to say it was quite a list, actually i thought it was staggering and personally felt that no bus company would ever be able to properly operate if it gave in to all the demands.
Personally i was more than happy with my 10.91 per hour as before that i`d been on 10 pound a day benefits.
I guess it all goes down to how extravagent your life style is and what you`ve got to pay out per week etc.
I live a very very basic life and having been on 10 pound a day ( Benefits ) and then been given the chance to be on 10 91 per hour was totally staggering...
I guess at the end of the day its all down to personal choice....
I do know that there are going to be a hell of a lot of very vunerable people out there from 2am who are going to struggle....
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 6, 2022 1:11:10 GMT 1
Hello to all, Hopefully some of the regular forum contributers will pick this up later today and may be able to help me out with my enquiries. So from 2am today there wont be any Arriva buses allowed to leave any of the 5 depots. I`ve been asked by family members if the bus station at wakefield will still be open as i figured that the other operators will still need somewhere safe to both off load and load their passengers. Also will the various shops/cafe`s still be open for business?. Also does anyone on here know who the area manager is for Arriva Yorkshire?. I know who both operation managers are and the general manager for the Wakefield division, but i dont know the chain of command above them. Back in 1992 based at Belle isle i had Michael Hunter who was head of Caldaire holdings, then below him i had Brian Jackson who was the regional manager of all 5 depots, then i had John Shaw who was District Manager and then below him was Kevin Thompson who was Assistant District Manager. So when the unite reps are in talks with Arriva Management, who exactly do they meet up with?. I did manage to read the list of demands from the union when i got my ballot paper and i have to say it was quite a list, actually i thought it was staggering and personally felt that no bus company would ever be able to properly operate if it gave in to all the demands. Personally i was more than happy with my 10.91 per hour as before that i`d been on 10 pound a day benefits. I guess it all goes down to how extravagent your life style is and what you`ve got to pay out per week etc. I live a very very basic life and having been on 10 pound a day ( Benefits ) and then been given the chance to be on 10 91 per hour was totally staggering... I guess at the end of the day its all down to personal choice.... I do know that there are going to be a hell of a lot of very vunerable people out there from 2am who are going to struggle.... The Yorkshire Operations are looked over by the Operations Manager of the North East Division. Arriva Yorkshire's standards have been slipping for the past 11 years with the 110 getting primary focus for fleet presentation as that is claased as the flag-ship route followed by 126/127, 202/203, 254/255, 268, 163/166, 415, 229, 148/149, 189, 106 (current Hall Green), & 231/232. There's also been issues when the 110 was first launched as a Sapphire route and they wanted dedicated staff to do 110 alone and no other route and the staff who weren't on Sapphire rotas couldn't cover 110. The Bus Station should still be open for the services run by CT Plus, Globe Coaches, Ross Travel, Stagecoach, Station Coaches, Team Pennine & Tetleys so if anything the Bus Station will be on slightly reduced opening hours with it possibly been shut on Sundays as there'd only be Stagecoach & Team Pennine so they'd utilise the Union Street Stops. I think Dewsbury bus station on the other will be closed as there's only Longstaff's 205, TLC's 205 & 263, Station Coaches DTB and the National Express 564 that would use it. Batley Bus Station will be shut through out the strike. Ossett Bus Station will open Monday-Friday for the 116, Castleford, Cleckheaton & Hemsworth Bus Stations will be open Monday-Saturday during the Strike. I think Pontefract Bus Station will be open Monday to Saturday but Closed Sunday with the 28C going from Horsefair (the cab rank outside the Royal Mail) as it'll be daft manning the station for 1 route.
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Post by moorside on Jun 6, 2022 13:46:29 GMT 1
Hello to all, Hopefully some of the regular forum contributers will pick this up later today and may be able to help me out with my enquiries. So from 2am today there wont be any Arriva buses allowed to leave any of the 5 depots. I`ve been asked by family members if the bus station at wakefield will still be open as i figured that the other operators will still need somewhere safe to both off load and load their passengers. Also will the various shops/cafe`s still be open for business?. Also does anyone on here know who the area manager is for Arriva Yorkshire?. I know who both operation managers are and the general manager for the Wakefield division, but i dont know the chain of command above them. Back in 1992 based at Belle isle i had Michael Hunter who was head of Caldaire holdings, then below him i had Brian Jackson who was the regional manager of all 5 depots, then i had John Shaw who was District Manager and then below him was Kevin Thompson who was Assistant District Manager. So when the unite reps are in talks with Arriva Management, who exactly do they meet up with?. I did manage to read the list of demands from the union when i got my ballot paper and i have to say it was quite a list, actually i thought it was staggering and personally felt that no bus company would ever be able to properly operate if it gave in to all the demands. Personally i was more than happy with my 10.91 per hour as before that i`d been on 10 pound a day benefits. I guess it all goes down to how extravagent your life style is and what you`ve got to pay out per week etc. I live a very very basic life and having been on 10 pound a day ( Benefits ) and then been given the chance to be on 10 91 per hour was totally staggering... I guess at the end of the day its all down to personal choice.... I do know that there are going to be a hell of a lot of very vunerable people out there from 2am who are going to struggle.... I have never forgotten when I was a postman some 40 years ago and there was talk of going on strike. I said that I thought the wages were not bad, and a married colleague pointed out that it was ok for me as a single guy. Likewise in this situation: I have been married but I'm widowed so on my own again, and it's relatively easy to live a basic life on a small amount. I have no rent to pay (I'm in a tied house - great until retirement makes me homeless!), and maybe pcvguy is fortunate enough to have his own house. But it's different for a man with a partner and children: rent could be £400, £500, £600 a month or more; if there's 5 of you the food bill is 5 times what it is when you're on your own, the children are growing and need new clothes and shoes...I don't think it's a question of having an extravagant lifestyle, more a question of families being able to have a decent standard of living.
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 6, 2022 16:57:01 GMT 1
But it's different for a man with a partner and children: rent could be £400, £500, £600 a month or more; if there's 5 of you the food bill is 5 times what it is when you're on your own, the children are growing and need new clothes and shoes...I don't think it's a question of having an extravagant lifestyle, more a question of families being able to have a decent standard of living. Very well put. As a debt advisor, I've seen the standard of living drop for so many over the last 12 months, purely because the cost of living has risen dramatically. Personally, a general strike is what is needed (I wouldn't as my clients still need me), however it'll grab the attention of the government & force them to act properly, rather than a sticking plaster on things.
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Post by joseph on Jun 6, 2022 20:01:04 GMT 1
I must say the roads in Leeds seemed a lot less busy, the lack of buses was defo noticed on Boar Lane for example.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 6, 2022 22:17:13 GMT 1
BusmanBry, While you maybe happy with the middle rate of £10.91, I, on the other hand would prefer us to get a rise, taking us to a rate that's similar or slightly more than what First West Yorkshire offered their staff, without being held to ransom. Despite the numerous open days, we, at Arriva, pay the lowest rate for newbies to be trained up to drive a bus for £9.78 ph, I don't think there's anyone in training school. Transdev are paying £10ph, First £10.85ph for newbies. Just looking online, I've found a 7.5 tonne driving job in Morley paying £11.50 ph for 6-8 collections/deliveries for first 3 months, rising to £13.94 then if did overtime £20.90. In my opinion, surely bus driving is more skilled than driving a delivery vehicle?
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 6, 2022 22:52:58 GMT 1
Just saw on Look North that Arriva offered 7% for some and 12% for others, but Unite want 10% for everyone. How true is that?
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 7, 2022 16:36:55 GMT 1
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 7, 2022 17:26:39 GMT 1
Oops! Something went wrong. It certainly has.
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 7, 2022 17:47:48 GMT 1
Is anyone here an Arriva driver who is also in the union? Has there been any updates?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 7, 2022 18:08:55 GMT 1
On Calendar just now they reported from Otley and asked people in the street what they thought about the Arriva strike.
Where they got the idea from to go to Otley the mind boggles
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Post by deerfold on Jun 7, 2022 18:22:59 GMT 1
On Calendar just now they reported from Otley and asked people in the street what they thought about the Arriva strike. Where they got the idea from to go to Otley the mind boggles Most odd, they're not even running a Dalesbus service through Otley this year.
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Post by BusmanBry on Jun 8, 2022 1:54:58 GMT 1
Hello to all,
I`m just putting this out there in case anyone might have a rough idea.
So not all the drivers voted to strike, so i was just wondering if anyone had any idea`s as to why they would vote against striking?. I voted not to strike as i just wanted to drive buses, so that was my own personal choice.
Also whatever hourly rate they get will be subject to tax and national insurance stoppages and also possibly a pension deduction. So my question is, if they wanted to be on say for example 15 pound per hour to actually bring home as in nett per hour, how much would they need to be on per hour gross as in before stoppages?.
Cheers,
Bryan.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Jun 8, 2022 7:14:18 GMT 1
On Calendar just now they reported from Otley and asked people in the street what they thought about the Arriva strike. Where they got the idea from to go to Otley the mind boggles You think they would go to Wakefield to start of with. But then I think the news comments from the public would be harsher.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jun 8, 2022 16:44:34 GMT 1
On Calendar just now they reported from Otley and asked people in the street what they thought about the Arriva strike. Where they got the idea from to go to Otley the mind boggles You think they would go to Wakefield to start of with. But then I think the news comments from the public would be harsher. Should have gone to Leeds Bradford Huddersfield or Halifax could have a bit of a mixed reaction from the public
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Post by kendall17 on Jun 8, 2022 20:41:53 GMT 1
Hello to all, I`m just putting this out there in case anyone might have a rough idea. So not all the drivers voted to strike, so i was just wondering if anyone had any idea`s as to why they would vote against striking?. I voted not to strike as i just wanted to drive buses, so that was my own personal choice. Also whatever hourly rate they get will be subject to tax and national insurance stoppages and also possibly a pension deduction. So my question is, if they wanted to be on say for example 15 pound per hour to actually bring home as in nett per hour, how much would they need to be on per hour gross as in before stoppages?. Cheers, Bryan. To get to a net pay of £15p/h based on a 37.5 hour week, you're looking at upwards of £35k
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Post by rhythmb on Jun 8, 2022 21:00:00 GMT 1
The public are rapidly losing sympathy for drivers and unite now.
At least the rail strikes have been announced with plenty of warning and aren't indefinite.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 8, 2022 23:13:30 GMT 1
Looking at what Arriva are saying the proposed "new/revised" offer is would just about bring to level with Transdev but difference been with Transdev you've got the £1k welcome bonus. Now Unite have actually come out and said they actually put it to members to put the offer to Ballot but that was rejected which as result in proceeding with the strike. But NHS are in same boat in parts and actually in the last statement we got told we'd get an increase but that was only 1% which is only a few pence in all practuality. Of the "big three" Transdev & First have been regularly investing in the Yorkshire Fleets but Arriva have only done it every so often so excluding Streetdeck Order which ended up incomplete with the Wrightbus situation at the time the last big investments were the 15 reg e400s (4 of which have since gone up to ANE and before that are the 14 plate e200 minis with the biggest one been in 2008 with the e400s 1900-1913 (some of which have gone to ANE), The Eclipses and Olympuses 1800-1815 (all sadly gone down south). Other then that there's been the investments of Geminis 1508-1548 in 2011 (although several have gone to ANE but we gained 4 in exchange for e400s 1915-1918) and the the Pulsars 1456-1495 in 2012 you only had the tempos and standard e200s in 2009. You can see why drivers have rejected the offer in a way as it show's investment isn't priorty especially with First investing behind the scenes and Transdev even investing in there depots and station breakout areas and refurbishing them. All Arriva have had changed is the Logo in last couple of years and the uniform changing to be a mix of Polos & shirts with light shell jackets. So the question is if First & Transdev can still invest and still make profit why can't Arriva?
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Post by selbybus on Jun 9, 2022 16:35:21 GMT 1
Looking at what Arriva are saying the proposed "new/revised" offer is would just about bring to level with Transdev but difference been with Transdev you've got the £1k welcome bonus. Now Unite have actually come out and said they actually put it to members to put the offer to Ballot but that was rejected which as result in proceeding with the strike. But NHS are in same boat in parts and actually in the last statement we got told we'd get an increase but that was only 1% which is only a few pence in all practuality. Of the "big three" Transdev & First have been regularly investing in the Yorkshire Fleets but Arriva have only done it every so often so excluding Streetdeck Order which ended up incomplete with the Wrightbus situation at the time the last big investments were the 15 reg e400s (4 of which have since gone up to ANE and before that are the 14 plate e200 minis with the biggest one been in 2008 with the e400s 1900-1913 (some of which have gone to ANE), The Eclipses and Olympuses 1800-1815 (all sadly gone down south). Other then that there's been the investments of Geminis 1508-1548 in 2011 (although several have gone to ANE but we gained 4 in exchange for e400s 1915-1918) and the the Pulsars 1456-1495 in 2012 you only had the tempos and standard e200s in 2009. You can see why drivers have rejected the offer in a way as it show's investment isn't priorty especially with First investing behind the scenes and Transdev even investing in there depots and station breakout areas and refurbishing them. All Arriva have had changed is the Logo in last couple of years and the uniform changing to be a mix of Polos & shirts with light shell jackets. So the question is if First & Transdev can still invest and still make profit why can't Arriva? Because we are owed by a greedy German government (DB) that doesn’t want the business and in the meantime wants to pull massive profits out of it instead of investing in its staff and infrastructure.
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Post by selbybus on Jun 9, 2022 16:39:33 GMT 1
The public are rapidly losing sympathy for drivers and unite now. At least the rail strikes have been announced with plenty of warning and aren't indefinite. What’s not mentioned in the press is that this has been going on since January as this is when our wages should of been sorted. However Arriva delayed it over and over and now have shot themselves in the foot as inflation has gone up and up. They only have themselves to blame but of course they will always blame the staff as usual.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 9, 2022 19:29:15 GMT 1
The public are rapidly losing sympathy for drivers and unite now. At least the rail strikes have been announced with plenty of warning and aren't indefinite. The union announced the strike with at least the two weeks' notice they're legally required to give, just as the rail unions have. It's not their fault Arriva haven't publicised the effects of it until just before it happened.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 9, 2022 19:39:44 GMT 1
The public are rapidly losing sympathy for drivers and unite now. At least the rail strikes have been announced with plenty of warning and aren't indefinite. The union announced the strike with at least the two weeks' notice they're legally required to give, just as the rail unions have. It's not their fault Arriva haven't publicised the effects of it until just before it happened. and even then it's been done naffley
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Post by mutty on Jun 10, 2022 6:24:55 GMT 1
Looking at what Arriva are saying the proposed "new/revised" offer is would just about bring to level with Transdev but difference been with Transdev you've got the £1k welcome bonus. Now Unite have actually come out and said they actually put it to members to put the offer to Ballot but that was rejected which as result in proceeding with the strike. But NHS are in same boat in parts and actually in the last statement we got told we'd get an increase but that was only 1% which is only a few pence in all practuality. Of the "big three" Transdev & First have been regularly investing in the Yorkshire Fleets but Arriva have only done it every so often so excluding Streetdeck Order which ended up incomplete with the Wrightbus situation at the time the last big investments were the 15 reg e400s (4 of which have since gone up to ANE and before that are the 14 plate e200 minis with the biggest one been in 2008 with the e400s 1900-1913 (some of which have gone to ANE), The Eclipses and Olympuses 1800-1815 (all sadly gone down south). Other then that there's been the investments of Geminis 1508-1548 in 2011 (although several have gone to ANE but we gained 4 in exchange for e400s 1915-1918) and the the Pulsars 1456-1495 in 2012 you only had the tempos and standard e200s in 2009. You can see why drivers have rejected the offer in a way as it show's investment isn't priorty especially with First investing behind the scenes and Transdev even investing in there depots and station breakout areas and refurbishing them. All Arriva have had changed is the Logo in last couple of years and the uniform changing to be a mix of Polos & shirts with light shell jackets. So the question is if First & Transdev can still invest and still make profit why can't Arriva? The last big investment was the 17 reg MMC Enviro 400’s, not the 15 plate Enviro 400’s
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Post by mattb7tl on Jun 10, 2022 8:20:37 GMT 1
Looking at what Arriva are saying the proposed "new/revised" offer is would just about bring to level with Transdev but difference been with Transdev you've got the £1k welcome bonus. Now Unite have actually come out and said they actually put it to members to put the offer to Ballot but that was rejected which as result in proceeding with the strike. But NHS are in same boat in parts and actually in the last statement we got told we'd get an increase but that was only 1% which is only a few pence in all practuality. Of the "big three" Transdev & First have been regularly investing in the Yorkshire Fleets but Arriva have only done it every so often so excluding Streetdeck Order which ended up incomplete with the Wrightbus situation at the time the last big investments were the 15 reg e400s (4 of which have since gone up to ANE and before that are the 14 plate e200 minis with the biggest one been in 2008 with the e400s 1900-1913 (some of which have gone to ANE), The Eclipses and Olympuses 1800-1815 (all sadly gone down south). Other then that there's been the investments of Geminis 1508-1548 in 2011 (although several have gone to ANE but we gained 4 in exchange for e400s 1915-1918) and the the Pulsars 1456-1495 in 2012 you only had the tempos and standard e200s in 2009. You can see why drivers have rejected the offer in a way as it show's investment isn't priorty especially with First investing behind the scenes and Transdev even investing in there depots and station breakout areas and refurbishing them. All Arriva have had changed is the Logo in last couple of years and the uniform changing to be a mix of Polos & shirts with light shell jackets. So the question is if First & Transdev can still invest and still make profit why can't Arriva? I don't seem to see what investments first are making? If you're referring the streetdecks, I'm pretty sure they were bought by the council and not first bus.
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