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Post by deerfold on Apr 18, 2023 15:17:42 GMT 1
Respect to you Mr D Roebuck-Johnson for posting the truth about Transdev. Do you want to join me in the nuclear bunker, because they don't like anyone to criticise Transdev, or previous management, on here! You can keep saying that as long as you like, but it remains untrue. In the same way all my refutations of your claims remain unanswered. |
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Post by Burnside on Apr 18, 2023 16:57:12 GMT 1
Two on the bounce from Leeds caped. No bud for over a hour ! Unbelievable Monday 17th April BronteBus BI Keighley, Bus Station to Stanbury, Hob Hill 2.25pm, 3.25pm Stanbury, Hob Hill to Keighley, Bus Station 2.53pm, 3.53pm Aireline 60 Keighley Bus Station to Leeds Interchange 2.10pm, 3pm Leeds Interchange to Keighley Bus Station 4.30pm, 4.55pm the 62 Keighley Bus Station to Ilkley Bus Station 2.15pm Ilkley Bus Station to Keighley, Bus Station 4.19pm the 64 Ilkley Rail Station to Skipton, Bus Station 3.17 pm Skipton, Bus Station to Ilkley Bus Station 3.50 pm the 64 Ilkley Rail Station to Skipton, Bus Station 3.17 pm Skipton, Bus Station to Ilkley Bus Station 3.50 pm Dalesway 66 Keighley, Bus Station to Skipton Bus Station 3.05pm Skipton Bus Station to Keighley, Bus Station 4pm theShuttle 662 Keighley Bus Station to Bradford Interchange 1pm, 1.30pm, 2.10pm, 2.30pm, 3pm, 3.26pm, 3.41pm, 4.20pm Bradford Interchange to Keighley Bus Station 1.58pm, 2.28pm, 3.13pm, 3.37 pm, 4.07pm, 4.37 pm, 4.52pm, 5.31pm The last time I got a bus home from town (carrying a brand new guitar I'd just bought) there were two single deckers at rush hour. They were both, of course rammed; especially now with the extra custom from 508 passengers. Had to stand next to the driver, desperately clinging onto my new Adrian Smith Jackson San Dimas and get on and off everytime the doors opened! Out of interest can the Presidents not run into Leeds because of the clean air zone in Shipley? This was Easter holidays so should have been plenty available. Yes, President's are banned from the 60 due to the laughable clean air zone of Bradford Council's (which doesn't penalise knackered old Toyota takeaway delivery cars or bot racers in souped up Clio's belching smoke everywhere), as a result there is no alternative than to use single deckers or cancel journeys if there is a shortage of double deckers for some reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 17:23:51 GMT 1
I Guess it was time that Keighley started having various issues again, as it seems every other of the Yorkshire Ops have had their turn over the past year or so. It's a shame they didn't E6 convert at least a couple of the 2756-9 Geminis when they was refurbished a couple of years ago allowing a few spare deckers for 60 (plus 662 when needed)
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Post by Mr D Roebuck-Johnson on Apr 18, 2023 17:44:51 GMT 1
29 individual trips didn’t run today at Keighley.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 18, 2023 18:29:38 GMT 1
I’m not sure what the point is of listing trips that are cancelled, we know there is a shortage of drivers. I bet Arriva and First cancelled 29 trips today as well but you wouldn’t know as they don’t publish it
What are you wanting us to do with this information on this forum?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 18:45:37 GMT 1
I’m not sure what the point is of listing trips that are cancelled, we know there is a shortage of drivers. I bet Arriva and First cancelled 29 trips today as well but you wouldn’t know as they don’t publish it What are you wanting us to do with this information on this forum? To be fair at the height of driver shortages Arriva did get a tough time on here & it was discussed so i think it is only fair Transdev get similar treatment |
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Post by Username on Apr 18, 2023 18:53:01 GMT 1
I’m not sure what the point is of listing trips that are cancelled, we know there is a shortage of drivers. I bet Arriva and First cancelled 29 trips today as well but you wouldn’t know as they don’t publish it What are you wanting us to do with this information on this forum? Couldn't have said it any better myself. I was just about to make exactly the same point. First bus and Arriva don't publish their cancelations. It's good companies like Transdev do as it allows customers to change their journey plans in advance rather than having to go through the struggle of waiting ages for a bus that just isn't going to show up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 19:17:10 GMT 1
I’m not sure what the point is of listing trips that are cancelled, we know there is a shortage of drivers. I bet Arriva and First cancelled 29 trips today as well but you wouldn’t know as they don’t publish it What are you wanting us to do with this information on this forum? Couldn't have said it any better myself. I was just about to make exactly the same point. First bus and Arriva don't publish their cancelations. It's good companies like Transdev do as it allows customers to change their journey plans in advance rather than having to go through the struggle of waiting ages for a bus that just isn't going to show up. I'm not sure you can use the 'Good Companies like Transdev' line at the moment, as there is no denying standards have slipped. Currently they are just as guilty as First/Arriva are at having failings in some areas. Over the missing journey plans, not all that was missing was listed in a similar way to some but not all First & Arriva missing journeys are listed on the Metro live times. Hopefully it will die down again soon like the previous time there was shortages (or at least pass to another area - Seems only Blackburn & Burnley have been immune to major issues so far) |
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Post by Username on Apr 18, 2023 19:35:31 GMT 1
Couldn't have said it any better myself. I was just about to make exactly the same point. First bus and Arriva don't publish their cancelations. It's good companies Transdev do as it allows customers to change their journey plans in advance rather than having to go through the struggle of waiting ages for a bus that just isn't going to show up. I'm not sure you can use the 'Good Companies like Transdev' line at the moment, as there is no denying standards have slipped. Currently they are just as guilty as First/Arriva are at having failings in some areas. Over the missing journey plans, not all that was missing was listed in a similar way to some but not all First & Arriva missing journeys are listed on the Metro live times. Hopefully it will die down again soon like the previous time there was shortages (or at least pass to another area - Seems only Blackburn & Burnley have been immune to major issues so far) Read again, I believe what I said was it's which means it is. Also Team Pennine doesn't seem to have failed neither has Transdev York. |
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Post by pub146g on Apr 18, 2023 20:03:30 GMT 1
Dear me, there are obviously folk on here who can't seem to accept anything negative said against Transdev.
The fact is that no Company is perfect for the well known reasons we know about but I don't buy the perception that First don't publish cancellations. Most of the time, (although I admit not 100% of the time) cancellations are input into the WY Nextbus system so this information is available at passengers' fingertips or on bus stop display screens and I would argue these are the systems most passengers use when checking times. Certainly everybody I know use these systems rather than messing about scrolling around in Twitter or bus company apps etc because they are simpler and quicker to use.
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Post by Burnside on Apr 18, 2023 20:16:44 GMT 1
I Guess it was time that Keighley started having various issues again, as it seems every other of the Yorkshire Ops have had their turn over the past year or so. It's a shame they didn't E6 convert at least a couple of the 2756-9 Geminis when they was refurbished a couple of years ago allowing a few spare deckers for 60 (plus 662 when needed) 2756-2759 while not Euro 6 are allowed in the CAZ so can and are used on the 60, as are 2402 and 2403. Don't know if they've been Eminoxed or given an exemption though. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 20:25:57 GMT 1
I'm not sure you can use the 'Good Companies like Transdev' line at the moment, as there is no denying standards have slipped. Currently they are just as guilty as First/Arriva are at having failings in some areas. Over the missing journey plans, not all that was missing was listed in a similar way to some but not all First & Arriva missing journeys are listed on the Metro live times. Hopefully it will die down again soon like the previous time there was shortages (or at least pass to another area - Seems only Blackburn & Burnley have been immune to major issues so far) Read again, I believe what I said was it's which means it is. Also Team Pennine doesn't seem to have failed neither has Transdev York. I Have read what you put? Maybe re-read my response, If you think Transdev is a good company then so is First & Arriva as all 3 post some (but not all) of their cancellations using either APPs or the Metro live times. I'm not sure your point over Team Pennine or York - Team Pennine has had issues on & off since they took over (be it Drivers or Vehicles) & York went through a stage of being low on drivers as well. As i said the only companies that seemed to have escaped a majority of issues is Blackburn & Burnley, although it seemed Burnley have been abit slow when updating the destinations with the old paper in windscreen needed for the M6 on a couple of vehicles. |
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Post by Username on Apr 18, 2023 20:38:52 GMT 1
Read again, I believe what I said was it's which means it is. Also Team Pennine doesn't seem to have failed neither has Transdev York. I Have read what you put? Maybe re-read my response, If you think Transdev is a good company then so is First & Arriva as all 3 post some (but not all) of their cancellations using either APPs or the Metro live times. I'm not sure your point over Team Pennine or York - Team Pennine has had issues on & off since they took over (be it Drivers or Vehicles) & York went through a stage of being low on drivers as well. As i said the only companies that seemed to have escaped a majority of issues is Blackburn & Burnley, although it seemed Burnley have been abit slow when updating the destinations with the old paper in windscreen needed for the M6 on a couple of vehicles. Exactly, I did read your response and it shows you have not correctly read mine. I said " It is good that companies like Transdev have been displaying future cancelations" never said they were a good company. You are twisting my words. As for the Team Pennine one they have been facing driver shortages but not as frequent as many other subsidiaries and they have been pretty manageable now since the loss of 262 and 319. Vehicles have barely faced any issues I don't know of any service on Team Pennine that has been cancelled due to a lack of vehicles. If anything they have plenty spare if all of Waterloos have been ending up on Elland services. Yes like any company Team Pennine are not perfect but they aren't poor performing either. |
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Post by northerner on Apr 18, 2023 21:04:16 GMT 1
According to my contact at Keighley the cancellations are only some of them. There are many others which occur short notice which don’t go on that list. Apparently 46 trip / journeys over the network didn’t operate yesterday at Keighley. There is a massive backlog in CPC training ( previous management ticked can down the road on this ) and drivers are refusing overtime because any traffic delay to finishing time is not being paid. Some drivers have left the company within the last couple of weeks. A massive spiral of decline now at Transdev because of the reality of what was being covered up previously by the spin. That now explains the eagerness of some drivers! I understood some of the cancellations were due to lack of vehicle though rather than driver shortage. |
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Post by dlspotter on Apr 18, 2023 21:47:26 GMT 1
Read again, I believe what I said was it's which means it is. Also Team Pennine doesn't seem to have failed neither has Transdev York. I Have read what you put? Maybe re-read my response, If you think Transdev is a good company then so is First & Arriva as all 3 post some (but not all) of their cancellations using either APPs or the Metro live times. I'm not sure your point over Team Pennine or York - Team Pennine has had issues on & off since they took over (be it Drivers or Vehicles) & York went through a stage of being low on drivers as well. As i said the only companies that seemed to have escaped a majority of issues is Blackburn & Burnley, although it seemed Burnley have been abit slow when updating the destinations with the old paper in windscreen needed for the M6 on a couple of vehicles. Regarding Blackburn and Burnley they did have bad shortages a while back but didn't used to post online only tended to put up sheets in the bus stations Mainline permanently reduced from every 7/8 to every 10, Blackburn's 1 and 6/7 the same; also the Witchway permanently reduced to every 20 Remember there being a time where Pendle Wizz would not run a lot of the time, had a few cases where I turned up for a Wizz and ended up having to change travel plans last minute (and of course claim the free day ticket back from Transdev) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 22:26:04 GMT 1
I Have read what you put? Maybe re-read my response, If you think Transdev is a good company then so is First & Arriva as all 3 post some (but not all) of their cancellations using either APPs or the Metro live times. I'm not sure your point over Team Pennine or York - Team Pennine has had issues on & off since they took over (be it Drivers or Vehicles) & York went through a stage of being low on drivers as well. As i said the only companies that seemed to have escaped a majority of issues is Blackburn & Burnley, although it seemed Burnley have been abit slow when updating the destinations with the old paper in windscreen needed for the M6 on a couple of vehicles. Regarding Blackburn and Burnley they did have bad shortages a while back but didn't used to post online only tended to put up sheets in the bus stations Mainline permanently reduced from every 7/8 to every 10, Blackburn's 1 and 6/7 the same; also the Witchway permanently reduced to every 20 Remember there being a time where Pendle Wizz would not run a lot of the time, had a few cases where I turned up for a Wizz and ended up having to change travel plans last minute (and of course claim the free day ticket back from Transdev) Thanks for the info, outside of the advertised reductions I didn't realise Lancashire unplanned cancellations had a period of being very bad as well outside of the Rosso issues. I Guess just wait & see if the cycle does continue & what area will be next to see issues after Keighley starts to settle down. |
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Post by rs on Apr 19, 2023 8:28:04 GMT 1
I'm really not sure how valid the argument of 'First and Arriva cancelled services too but didn't publicise it' actually is, especially as this is a Transdev based thread and a lot of passengers won't be catching Arriva or First buses. Just because another operator cancels journeys doesn't make it less of an issue for Transdev.
There's still an unacceptable amount of daily journey cancellations. During Covid it was understandable as driver availability could change at very short notice, but for there still to be so many individual journeys cancelled now is not good enough. There are 31 journeys announced as cancelled at Burnley so far today, and I'm sure there'll be more that aren't announced. Blackburn isn't as bad with only 5, Keighley has 13 (including a school service) and Harrogate only 1.
Now the CEO has gone missing and there isn't an endless stream of endless positive spin and almost meaningless statistics it's increasingly obvious to more people just how bad things are at Transdev at the moment. The effects of a few years of overspending on pointless brands, rebands, new route networks and covering up the ongoing problems is really showing now and further cuts will need to be made to turn things around.
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 19, 2023 9:46:22 GMT 1
I'm really not sure how valid the argument of 'First and Arriva cancelled services too but didn't publicise it' actually is, especially as this is a Transdev based thread and a lot of passengers won't be catching Arriva or First buses. Just because another operator cancels journeys doesn't make it less of an issue for Transdev. Can say for absolute certain cancellations with First & Arriva are rampant. The 372 is completely unusable at rush hour, seems to be the time when it is always cancelled (which they don’t report) You can usually tell by the live sign saying numbers instead of ‘X mins’ |
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Post by mk2mcw on Apr 19, 2023 14:14:02 GMT 1
I Have read what you put? Maybe re-read my response, If you think Transdev is a good company then so is First & Arriva as all 3 post some (but not all) of their cancellations using either APPs or the Metro live times. I'm not sure your point over Team Pennine or York - Team Pennine has had issues on & off since they took over (be it Drivers or Vehicles) & York went through a stage of being low on drivers as well. As i said the only companies that seemed to have escaped a majority of issues is Blackburn & Burnley, although it seemed Burnley have been abit slow when updating the destinations with the old paper in windscreen needed for the M6 on a couple of vehicles. Regarding Blackburn and Burnley they did have bad shortages a while back but didn't used to post online only tended to put up sheets in the bus stations Mainline permanently reduced from every 7/8 to every 10, Blackburn's 1 and 6/7 the same; also the Witchway permanently reduced to every 20 Remember there being a time where Pendle Wizz would not run a lot of the time, had a few cases where I turned up for a Wizz and ended up having to change travel plans last minute (and of course claim the free day ticket back from Transdev) There’s been many times I’ve had to change travel plans because I’ve desperately needed a wizz too! 🤣🤣🤣 |
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