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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 18, 2021 19:05:35 GMT 1
One potential option I have heard is the 784 could interwork with the 62 (Keighley-Ilkley-Skipton-Ilkley-Keighley). The reason for this, is that it is a difficulty at present with the 784 only running Ilkley-Skipton to change the driver over (with the drivers being based out at Idle), running the service like this will allow them to change drivers every time it gets to Keighley. Interworking services that don't need to be interworked is not a good plan. Yes, if you are providing through journeys then that is a good reason. If it allows you to make better use of resources, for example if you have two routes that each need 1.5 buses then you can use 3 buses split across the two routes rather than 4, then that is a good reason. But apart from that, it restricts flexibility and increases the risk of delays propagating across the network. Facilitating driver changeover doesn't seem like a good reason, especially when you think how many routes manage it perfectly well without going anywhere near the depot! Not to mention that the 66 uses double-deckers and – as discussed above – the current route of the 784 doesn't permit double-deckers, and if it is struggling with low passenger numbers then putting bigger buses on it without that doing anything to increase ridership is unlikely to be a winning strategy.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 18, 2021 19:11:11 GMT 1
It has a few errors, including the 784 being shown as run by Harrogate Buses, but as far as I know is the only publically available way of telling if Metro subsidise a route (NYCC don't). The "find a local bus service" section of GOV.UK does include details of whether a bus service is subsidised. www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/bus/But there are a couple of hiccups with that ... one is that the 784 is not registered on there ... and the other is that it only appears to cover buses that receive funding from the local council or PTE, but not buses that are funded by Dalesbus or similar organisations. So even if the 784 was funded, it would depend on where that money came from as to whether it would be shown there.
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Post by js12345678910 on Jan 18, 2021 19:11:50 GMT 1
One potential option I have heard is the 784 could interwork with the 62 (Keighley-Ilkley-Skipton-Ilkley-Keighley). The reason for this, is that it is a difficulty at present with the 784 only running Ilkley-Skipton to change the driver over (with the drivers being based out at Idle), running the service like this will allow them to change drivers every time it gets to Keighley. Interworking services that don't need to be interworked is not a good plan. Yes, if you are providing through journeys then that is a good reason. If it allows you to make better use of resources, for example if you have two routes that each need 1.5 buses then you can use 3 buses split across the two routes rather than 4, then that is a good reason. But apart from that, it restricts flexibility and increases the risk of delays propagating across the network. Facilitating driver changeover doesn't seem like a good reason, especially when you think how many routes manage it perfectly well without going anywhere near the depot! Not to mention that the 66 uses double-deckers and – as discussed above – the current route of the 784 doesn't permit double-deckers, and if it is struggling with low passenger numbers then putting bigger buses on it without that doing anything to increase ridership is unlikely to be a winning strategy. There was no mention of interworking with the 66.
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Post by js12345678910 on Jan 18, 2021 19:12:47 GMT 1
It depends though because the 67 and 784 are only hourly whilst the 62 is half-hourly, does the other 62 self-interwork? judging via bustimes theres only 2 boards that run on the 62 from Keighley to the airport (including deckers which the Airport have never been keen on been used when Tiger ran 737/747/757 (now A1-A3) from their old Leeds depot with the rest interworking with the 67. 4 airport running boards, 4 62/67 running boards, they just run Ilkley shorts on the 62.
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Post by joseph on Jan 18, 2021 19:23:05 GMT 1
Should the 784 not work out once things start to pick up generally, then it'll be really hard to believe that the long standing link between Skipton and Ilkley via Addingham, which ran until recently as a through service to Leeds with double deckers, and had a full evening and Sunday timetable up until a few years ago, could possibly become a NYCC operated bit part service! And the ironic thing is the lack of direct rail service between both towns lol. Going a bit off topic, It's a possible sign in reality that both Ilkley and Skipton town centres aren't as popular with locals over the past couple of years, I know Skipton has lost a few big name shops and the reality probably is that both are more propped up by day trippers.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 18, 2021 20:41:31 GMT 1
The "find a local bus service" section of GOV.UK does include details of whether a bus service is subsidised. www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/bus/But there are a couple of hiccups with that ... one is that the 784 is not registered on there ... and the other is that it only appears to cover buses that receive funding from the local council or PTE, but not buses that are funded by Dalesbus or similar organisations. So even if the 784 was funded, it would depend on where that money came from as to whether it would be shown there. The 784 is registered there. www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/569486/I'm not convinced the subsidised field is always updated (see route X84 which still includes the X85 as a route number and the variation via Pool).
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 18, 2021 23:42:47 GMT 1
Ah, I think I had the filter set to "Registered" to get rid of the numerous cancelled routes from years gone by that usually pop up, I hadn't realised that a service with a pending change wouldn't be shown then 🙄
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 18, 2021 23:44:24 GMT 1
There was no mention of interworking with the 66. Oops, you're quite right, I should read more carefully! That said, the other points still stand - interworking with the 62 would likely create more problems than it solves.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 9, 2021 15:44:00 GMT 1
From the next timetable change, the 784 run from Idle Depot is to become the 64 run from Keighley depot.
During the day the bus will come off the xx15 from Keighley on the 62, then a slightly longer layover at Skipton dep. xx42 to return to Ilkley/Keighley.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 9, 2021 15:49:27 GMT 1
One potential option I have heard is the 784 could interwork with the 62 (Keighley-Ilkley-Skipton-Ilkley-Keighley). The reason for this, is that it is a difficulty at present with the 784 only running Ilkley-Skipton to change the driver over (with the drivers being based out at Idle), running the service like this will allow them to change drivers every time it gets to Keighley. Now implemented
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 10, 2021 17:09:15 GMT 1
From the next timetable change, the 784 run from Idle Depot is to become the 64 run from Keighley depot. During the day the bus will come off the xx15 from Keighley on the 62, then a slightly longer layover at Skipton dep. xx42 to return to Ilkley/Keighley. This is in a way the 2nd recent renumbering, as it was part of route X84 before being numbered 784. Pity for continuity it was not numbered 84. Idle will probably just work Airport services now. This also suggests that route 502 could soon be reallocated to Keighley and perhaps be renumbered too.
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 10, 2021 17:21:50 GMT 1
From the next timetable change, the 784 run from Idle Depot is to become the 64 run from Keighley depot. During the day the bus will come off the xx15 from Keighley on the 62, then a slightly longer layover at Skipton dep. xx42 to return to Ilkley/Keighley. This is in a way the 2nd recent renumbering, as it was part of route X84 before being numbered 784. Pity for continuity it was not numbered 84. Idle will probably just work Airport services now. This also suggests that route 502 could soon be reallocated to Keighley and perhaps be renumbered too. True and Keighley have also been doing the Sunday 884 Dalesbus trips that start in Bradford recently too using one of the Solo SRs.
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Post by deerfold on Jul 10, 2021 19:02:07 GMT 1
From the next timetable change, the 784 run from Idle Depot is to become the 64 run from Keighley depot. During the day the bus will come off the xx15 from Keighley on the 62, then a slightly longer layover at Skipton dep. xx42 to return to Ilkley/Keighley. This is in a way the 2nd recent renumbering, as it was part of route X84 before being numbered 784. Pity for continuity it was not numbered 84. Idle will probably just work Airport services now. This also suggests that route 502 could soon be reallocated to Keighley and perhaps be renumbered too. 784 seemed to be a good number for it as it was used for the non-limited stop version of the X84 (which only ever applied in the Leeds area). The renumbering to 64 makes the Sunday route numbers look really odd now. I'm not sure why there's any specific implications for the 502 - especially the number - it was used throughout the 80s and 90s and for a lot longer on a Sunday - the previous 2 numbering goes back even further. I'm hoping they'll retime the 502 to fit better with the 67 on common sections of route, but personally would prefer the number to remain.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 10, 2021 20:55:25 GMT 1
This is in a way the 2nd recent renumbering, as it was part of route X84 before being numbered 784. Pity for continuity it was not numbered 84. Idle will probably just work Airport services now. This also suggests that route 502 could soon be reallocated to Keighley and perhaps be renumbered too. 784 seemed to be a good number for it as it was used for the non-limited stop version of the X84 (which only ever applied in the Leeds area). The renumbering to 64 makes the Sunday route numbers look really odd now. I'm not sure why there's any specific implications for the 502 - especially the number - it was used throughout the 80s and 90s and for a lot longer on a Sunday - the previous 2 numbering goes back even further. I'm hoping they'll retime the 502 to fit better with the 67 on common sections of route, but personally would prefer the number to remain. While it was pure conjecture on my part as to whether route 502 is renumbered, which for the Halifax connection I hope it is not, what interests me more is whether it is soon reallocated to Keighley, preferably using green buses.
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