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Post by daveshipley1111 on Jan 3, 2021 10:23:46 GMT 1
Hi Guys
I dont have much time to post on here usually but just thought i would ask for advice about a issue.
Yesterday i walked from shipley into leeds as part of my exercise. When i was in leeds one of the new rights coastliner double deckers was coming down near York road and i though it would be a nice picture with my phone i got for christmas. When the bus came the driver seemed to swerve to one side and wave at me. When i looked at the picture though close up he had actually pulled the sun blind right down to almost the cab dash thing. How can that be safe when he is driving ? and should i report this or is it normal and i am just out of touch ? Why would he do that though ? It left me bewildered and confused in case i had done something wrong.
thank you for any advice for more expert people
regard
dave
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Post by joseph on Jan 3, 2021 10:37:34 GMT 1
Well, if you have evidence the blind was pulled down to the extent he could not see what was in front then yes report it, I'm assuming you took the shot within the roadworks area (lane closures for these works go quite a bit up York Road) which would make the situation even more dangerous.
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Post by kenh on Jan 3, 2021 12:17:31 GMT 1
Taking photos of people in public is a bit naff IMHO. So I don't do it. If I were driving a bus and later found my mugshot all over the internet, I would not be happy.
I think if you do take pics of people and put them on the internet, you should redact their faces. There is software that will pixelate faces. Same with private car registrations.
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Post by WYBS on Jan 3, 2021 13:40:38 GMT 1
Taking photos of people in public is a bit naff IMHO. So I don't do it. If I were driving a bus and later found my mugshot all over the internet, I would not be happy. I think if you do take pics of people and put them on the internet, you should redact their faces. There is software that will pixelate faces. Same with private car registrations. There is no expectation or privacy in public. Public photography is a very important part of our hobby and collectively as a society for documenting snapshots of history and society at any given point in time. I take it the driver was pulling the blind down because of you taking the photo rather than the sun being low for example? He must have a difficult time driving a bus if he is doing this everytime he goes past a CCTV camera. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 3, 2021 13:52:06 GMT 1
I too wonder if the angle of the sun was the issue - the driver not seeing the photographer aside from a vague outline at the 11th hour causing the serve and a over eager grab of the blind.
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Post by irhardy on Jan 3, 2021 20:49:15 GMT 1
Taking photos of people in public is a bit naff IMHO. So I don't do it. If I were driving a bus and later found my mugshot all over the internet, I would not be happy. I think if you do take pics of people and put them on the internet, you should redact their faces. There is software that will pixelate faces. Same with private car registrations. There is no expectation or privacy in public. Public photography is a very important part of our hobby and collectively as a society for documenting snapshots of history and society at any given point in time. I take it the driver was pulling the blind down because of you taking the photo rather than the sun being low for example? He must have a difficult time driving a bus if he is doing this everytime he goes past a CCTV camera. The driver may not to have their photo taken as they were in trouble with some organisation (benefits or something else) and were frightened of being traced. I would report the event to Transdev and give them as much detail as you can with the photo. |
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 3, 2021 21:54:54 GMT 1
There is no expectation or privacy in public. Public photography is a very important part of our hobby and collectively as a society for documenting snapshots of history and society at any given point in time. I take it the driver was pulling the blind down because of you taking the photo rather than the sun being low for example? He must have a difficult time driving a bus if he is doing this everytime he goes past a CCTV camera. The driver may not to have their photo taken as they were in trouble with some organisation (benefits or something else) and were frightened of being traced. Wow 😂 |
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Post by kendall17 on Jan 3, 2021 21:57:24 GMT 1
If you think the blind was too low & therefore the driver was driving dangerously, then report it to the police.
Otherwise carry on with your day.
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Post by rwilkes on Jan 4, 2021 11:28:37 GMT 1
The driver may be innocent of everything speculated upon and was just wanting more privacy than most of us
Maybe a code could be developed where a driver gave a thumbs down if he sees a photographer and the photographer would pixelate the drivers face
message could be spread via bus company staff newsletters
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jan 4, 2021 15:47:49 GMT 1
The driver may be innocent of everything speculated upon and was just wanting more privacy than most of us Maybe a code could be developed where a driver gave a thumbs down if he sees a photographer and the photographer would pixelate the drivers face message could be spread via bus company staff newsletters Maybe a card system Green Card. Feel free to take a photo of me while I in my bus. Yellow Card. Only take photos when the bus is stationary. Red Card. Please do not take my photo. |
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Post by steve440 on Jan 4, 2021 15:56:24 GMT 1
I feel that this occurrence is a symptom of the digital age. Back in the day when photography was 35mm film or slide based then most photographs were solely for personal use and maybe showing to a few friends and family, now with digital photography basically the whole world is able to potentially access your photos if you upload them to say, flickr.
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Post by guyarab on Jan 4, 2021 22:34:36 GMT 1
Taking photos of people in public is a bit naff IMHO. So I don't do it. If I were driving a bus and later found my mugshot all over the internet, I would not be happy. I think if you do take pics of people and put them on the internet, you should redact their faces. There is software that will pixelate faces. Same with private car registrations. I totally disagree with you; it’s not illegal to take photographs of people in public areas and I usually find that bus drivers’ faces are not seen because of windscreen reflection. |
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 4, 2021 23:19:30 GMT 1
Why on earth would someone want to take a photo of the bus drivers mug anyway?, Take a photo of the bus by all means but afford the driver some privacy and let him get on with his job. Whilst the above poster states its not illegal, it is still ignorant and rude.
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Post by irhardy on Jan 5, 2021 11:18:01 GMT 1
Why on earth would someone want to take a photo of the bus drivers mug anyway?, Take a photo of the bus by all means but afford the driver some privacy and let him get on with his job. Whilst the above poster states its not illegal, it is still ignorant and rude. Why is "it is still ignorant and rude"? The photographer was not taking a photograph of the driver, they just wanted a picture of a bus doing what is there for, moving people about. It just so happens that for a bus to be moving there needs to be a driver in the driving seat. So the driver and any passengers that are on the bus maybe visable in the photograph but they are not the main reason for the photograph being taken. |
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Post by guyarab on Jan 5, 2021 22:34:29 GMT 1
Why on earth would someone want to take a photo of the bus drivers mug anyway?, Take a photo of the bus by all means but afford the driver some privacy and let him get on with his job. Whilst the above poster states its not illegal, it is still ignorant and rude. It is NOT ignorant or rude; most of us are not interested in the driver, we just want a picture of the bus and as I indicated, reflections often render the driver’s face unrecognisable, so why the fuss? |
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 5, 2021 22:38:17 GMT 1
Why on earth would someone want to take a photo of the bus drivers mug anyway?, Take a photo of the bus by all means but afford the driver some privacy and let him get on with his job. Whilst the above poster states its not illegal, it is still ignorant and rude. Why is "it is still ignorant and rude"? The photographer was not taking a photograph of the driver, they just wanted a picture of a bus doing what is there for, moving people about. It just so happens that for a bus to be moving there needs to be a driver in the driving seat. So the driver and any passengers that are on the bus maybe visable in the photograph but they are not the main reason for the photograph being taken. Many thanks for your response, i never knew that for a bus to be moving there needs to be a driver in the driving seat. you learn something new everyday don't you?. If you were engaged in your daily occupation or perhaps out shopping with your spouse or whatever and somebody jumped out on you with a mobile phone and took a photo of you without your prior consent would you consider that ignorant and rude? Perhaps if the photographer explained his "hobby" is studying peoples hairstyle's that would be ok would it?. There are plenty of opportunities to photograph buses without compromising the privacy of the driver or passengers, I've taken many photo's of buses at terminuses where i've waited for the passengers to disembark then asking the driver if they minded if i took a few shots of the vehicle, i've found most drivers to be very obliging in that respect. common courtesy costs nothing and is often reciprocated. Also remember buses are run as a public service to their customers, not as a service to appease enthusiasts or over zealous "hobbyists" with shiny new mobile phones. And for all the conspiracy theorists on here just because a bus driver doesn't want their photo taking, it doesn't automatically mean they've something to hide they probably just value their privacy a bit more than some of you do. Quite sensible in this day and age. Please feel free to disagree. |
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Post by guyarab on Jan 6, 2021 1:06:18 GMT 1
Why is "it is still ignorant and rude"? The photographer was not taking a photograph of the driver, they just wanted a picture of a bus doing what is there for, moving people about. It just so happens that for a bus to be moving there needs to be a driver in the driving seat. So the driver and any passengers that are on the bus maybe visable in the photograph but they are not the main reason for the photograph being taken. Many thanks for your response, i never knew that for a bus to be moving there needs to be a driver in the driving seat. you learn something new everyday don't you?. If you were engaged in your daily occupation or perhaps out shopping with your spouse or whatever and somebody jumped out on you with a mobile phone and took a photo of you without your prior consent would you consider that ignorant and rude? Perhaps if the photographer explained his "hobby" is studying peoples hairstyle's that would be ok would it?. There are plenty of opportunities to photograph buses without compromising the privacy of the driver or passengers, I've taken many photo's of buses at terminuses where i've waited for the passengers to disembark then asking the driver if they minded if i took a few shots of the vehicle, i've found most drivers to be very obliging in that respect. common courtesy costs nothing and is often reciprocated. Also remember buses are run as a public service to their customers, not as a service to appease enthusiasts or over zealous "hobbyists" with shiny new mobile phones. And for all the conspiracy theorists on here just because a bus driver doesn't want their photo taking, it doesn't automatically mean they've something to hide they probably just value their privacy a bit more than some of you do. Quite sensible in this day and age. Please feel free to disagree. I disagree. There is no call for sarcasm. A bus is for public use and the driver is part of it. He cannot command privacy whilst driving a PUBLIC Service Vehicle. On one thing we agree, courtesy costs nothing and I too have have found drivers to be obliging when asked if I could take pictures, but I am not a zealot, a hobbyist, yes. I do not have a shiny new mobile phone either. |
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Post by WYBS on Jan 6, 2021 3:42:30 GMT 1
Why is "it is still ignorant and rude"? The photographer was not taking a photograph of the driver, they just wanted a picture of a bus doing what is there for, moving people about. It just so happens that for a bus to be moving there needs to be a driver in the driving seat. So the driver and any passengers that are on the bus maybe visable in the photograph but they are not the main reason for the photograph being taken. Many thanks for your response, i never knew that for a bus to be moving there needs to be a driver in the driving seat. you learn something new everyday don't you?. If you were engaged in your daily occupation or perhaps out shopping with your spouse or whatever and somebody jumped out on you with a mobile phone and took a photo of you without your prior consent would you consider that ignorant and rude? Perhaps if the photographer explained his "hobby" is studying peoples hairstyle's that would be ok would it?. There are plenty of opportunities to photograph buses without compromising the privacy of the driver or passengers, I've taken many photo's of buses at terminuses where i've waited for the passengers to disembark then asking the driver if they minded if i took a few shots of the vehicle, i've found most drivers to be very obliging in that respect. common courtesy costs nothing and is often reciprocated. Also remember buses are run as a public service to their customers, not as a service to appease enthusiasts or over zealous "hobbyists" with shiny new mobile phones. And for all the conspiracy theorists on here just because a bus driver doesn't want their photo taking, it doesn't automatically mean they've something to hide they probably just value their privacy a bit more than some of you do. Quite sensible in this day and age. Please feel free to disagree. If they don't want a photo taken maybe a job in the public service world isn't for them. Again there is no expectation of privacy in public. |
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jan 6, 2021 15:33:16 GMT 1
Again there is no expectation of privacy in public.[/quote]
Your are right there. CCTV cameras & quite a lot of vehicles fitted with dash cams, I could have been caught on camera on my way to/from work at least 500 times today without knowing it
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Post by Burnside on Jan 6, 2021 16:08:01 GMT 1
Right. Thread drifting off topic and heading towards argumentative territory, so i'm locking it.
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