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Post by deerfold on Sept 26, 2020 15:45:19 GMT 1
So its probably going to run from Idle then I did wonder why they'd depicted grey 'Pride of the North' vehicles on the publicity, rather than green Keighley buses I am therefore concerned in case we cannot use K-Day tickets on it. Keighley buses have confirmed you can use KDay and KCard Extra on it. www.transdevbus.co.uk/keighley/784
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Post by yorkslad on Sept 26, 2020 19:26:32 GMT 1
Would the 8* take up the slack? 27/28/8 every 20 minutes, interworking?
* Should be numbered 26 or 29 to fit but we know how the operators (especially First) like to make a land-grab on the lower numbers.
Quick look at all timetables it appears the 27/28 interwork giving them a combined off peak vehicle requirement of 12. In isolation the 27 and 28 require 7 and 5 vehicles respectively. 6/8 are inter-working at Holt Park rather then two isolated services. Makes sense - it's a 6 and 6A really, if the 8 is taking over the other route to Holt Park.
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Post by nic on Sept 26, 2020 21:49:54 GMT 1
Quick look at all timetables it appears the 27/28 interwork giving them a combined off peak vehicle requirement of 12. In isolation the 27 and 28 require 7 and 5 vehicles respectively. 6/8 are inter-working at Holt Park rather then two isolated services. Makes sense - it's a 6 and 6A really, if the 8 is taking over the other route to Holt Park. I quite like the 6/8. I feel maybe they should re number the 1 to the 7 to fit within the series of numbers or renumber them all to fit in the 2x series like when 97 was re numbered 27. I also wonder what overground colour will the 1/8 now assume on the first Leeds map network?
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Post by yorkslad on Sept 26, 2020 22:01:05 GMT 1
They'll never give up '1'. Plus, it'll be 150 years old next year, having started life as a horse-drawn service from Leeds to the Shire Oak.
I suspect the 8 will be Sky Blue to match the 6, the same way the 50/50A are both orange as they have the same start and end points but with a bit of a wiggle towards one end. As it were.
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Post by nic on Sept 27, 2020 14:53:36 GMT 1
No X84/85 timetable yet. Be interesting to see how the 85 timetable operates and if it interworks with other services (27/28, X84 or 33/34) or will operate as an isolated board.
Running time is 1hr 12 minute Leeds-Leeds without adding in turn around time at pool end.
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 27, 2020 18:19:21 GMT 1
No X84/85 timetable yet. Be interesting to see how the 85 timetable operates and if it interworks with other services (27/28, X84 or 33/34) or will operate as an isolated board. Running time is 1hr 12 minute Leeds-Leeds without adding in turn around time at pool end. Based on a pre-Covid timetable, the X85 used to allow 40–43 minutes each way between Leeds and Pool (because obviously it's a First timetable, so the exact arrival and departure times are guaranteed to never be quite the same from one hour to the next). Given that they are running it on a 90-minute frequency, I'd say that looks pretty certain that it's just going to be a single bus running a self-contained service.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 29, 2020 13:49:31 GMT 1
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Post by Burnside on Sept 30, 2020 20:40:54 GMT 1
Interesting that the terminus in Pool will be 'near Otley Mills'. Where is the bus going to turn? Wouldn't terminating at Pool Bridge Corner make more sense?
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 30, 2020 21:41:20 GMT 1
Interesting that the terminus in Pool will be 'near Otley Mills'. Where is the bus going to turn? Wouldn't terminating at Pool Bridge Corner make more sense? Presumably WYMetro wanted to serve the industrial estate, or First's ticket sales from the X85 showed a reasonable number of people travelling to/from the industrial estate. Maybe they have permission to turn it in one of the factory forecourts? There's plenty of space to turn by reversing into an access point, but I wouldn't like to see that happening on a regular basis on a main road like that. As far as I can see, First Leeds don't have any small buses in the fleet, the smallest they have are 37-seat Streetlites, so it isn't like they have a baby Enviro200 or anything like that that could be easier to manoeuvre.
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Post by jdodger08 on Oct 1, 2020 8:58:15 GMT 1
Probably just going to turn around the shell which would be classed as "near" It's under 10 minutes walking.
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Post by nic on Oct 5, 2020 19:43:46 GMT 1
Couple of observations from changes around headingley corridor when travelled to leeds & back;
85 empty with 1 pax on a double decker. I think this service will be withdrawn unless it’s well advertised and used. It can be used by headingley passengers who seem to not know this.
8 on the way in was lightly used. Many people opting to stop 1 services instead. Again this needs to be widely advertised.
Never seen so many 1’s. Saw 3 coupled together at Lawnswood school which indicates the absorption time at the Lawnswood end.
Hope the 8 picks up for the headingley section as it is timed to provide every 3/4 minutes with the 1.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 5, 2020 20:05:08 GMT 1
I’m not sure the first day of service in the middle of a pandemic is a good guide of the long term future of the service
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Post by deerfold on Oct 6, 2020 8:57:36 GMT 1
Couple of observations from changes around headingley corridor when travelled to leeds & back; 85 empty with 1 pax on a double decker. I think this service will be withdrawn unless it’s well advertised and used. It can be used by headingley passengers who seem to not know this. 8 on the way in was lightly used. Many people opting to stop 1 services instead. Again this needs to be widely advertised. Never seen so many 1’s. Saw 3 coupled together at Lawnswood school which indicates the absorption time at the Lawnswood end. Hope the 8 picks up for the headingley section as it is timed to provide every 3/4 minutes with the 1. At the moment the 85 doesn't show up in Metro's Journey Planner or Google Maps. I've mentioned this to Metro, but they haven't responded. That's not going to help when the route, number and frequency have all changed.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Oct 6, 2020 10:54:44 GMT 1
The 629 doesn't appear on Google Maps either. It's a bit hit and miss with Google Maps, sometimes they have changes on before they are made public and sometimes they are well behind especially with a new service or operator.
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Post by SF07 on Oct 12, 2020 21:42:52 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Oct 12, 2020 21:56:38 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Oct 12, 2020 21:57:40 GMT 1
At the moment the 85 doesn't show up in Metro's Journey Planner or Google Maps. I've mentioned this to Metro, but they haven't responded. That's not going to help when the route, number and frequency have all changed. These have now made their way onto Metro's journey planner, but not Google Maps.
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Post by SF07 on Oct 12, 2020 22:23:24 GMT 1
PB1078487/116 Cancelled (Short notice) YORKSHIRE TIGER LIMITED Route: Dewsbury to Dewsbury Service number: 334 (DTB) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 25 Oct 2020 Cancelled pending WYCA retendering
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 12, 2020 22:55:56 GMT 1
PB1078487/116 Cancelled (Short notice) YORKSHIRE TIGER LIMITED Route: Dewsbury to Dewsbury Service number: 334 (DTB) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 25 Oct 2020 Cancelled pending WYCA retendering that's a first. Never known the DTB be cancelled during retendering unless Tiger have been stripped of the contract. Struggling to think of who'd run as i can only see it going back to CT Plus or maybe Station Coaches or Lyles putting in for it as i doubt TLC would have put in for it as it can't interwork with ML2. It'll be a miracle if Arriva Dewsbury team take it over but if they did i'd hope they keep to using Solos or Streetlite WF and not the stupid little e200s. Plus it seems even more odd for the cancellation date to be on a Sunday when the service doesn't run anyway. Would hope with rhe town improvements it goes back up to every 10 mins frequency and running better like under predecessors Star Travel Ossett, Tates & CT Plus.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 13, 2020 10:17:41 GMT 1
You're struggling to think of who might run it, but then mention at least 3 or 4 possibilities?
Add South Pennine CT to that list as well, so thats 5
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Post by stephen01 on Oct 13, 2020 11:03:27 GMT 1
You're struggling to think of who might run it, but then mention at least 3 or 4 possibilities? Add South Pennine CT to that list as well, so thats 5 no need to be sarcastic. I highly doubt South Pennine CT would want to run it with the dead mileage to & from Honley. When Tiger took over in 2016 it interworked with a the 262 for positioning but when the 262 got re-routed to Brighouse the vehicle on DTB comes dead from Denbydale after doing an 84. Same would happen with TLC running it as its dead mileage from Bradford unless its run from the Huddersfield/Brighouse site and the ML2 is relocated there as well
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Post by deerfold on Oct 13, 2020 11:13:30 GMT 1
You're struggling to think of who might run it, but then mention at least 3 or 4 possibilities? Add South Pennine CT to that list as well, so thats 5 no need to be sarcastic. I highly doubt South Pennine CT would want to run it with the dead mileage to & from Honley. When Tiger took over in 2016 it interworked with a the 262 for positioning but when the 262 got re-routed to Brighouse the vehicle on DTB comes dead from Denbydale after doing an 84. Same would happen with TLC running it as its dead mileage from Bradford unless its run from the Huddersfield/Brighouse site and the ML2 is relocated there as well South Pennine are good at introducing other services instead of having large amounts of dead mileage.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Oct 13, 2020 11:43:55 GMT 1
You're struggling to think of who might run it, but then mention at least 3 or 4 possibilities? Add South Pennine CT to that list as well, so thats 5 no need to be sarcastic. I highly doubt South Pennine CT would want to run it with the dead mileage to & from Honley. When Tiger took over in 2016 it interworked with a the 262 for positioning but when the 262 got re-routed to Brighouse the vehicle on DTB comes dead from Denbydale after doing an 84. Same would happen with TLC running it as its dead mileage from Bradford unless its run from the Huddersfield/Brighouse site and the ML2 is relocated there as well ML2 comes off/goes onto the 263 Monday to Friday Kirklees school days, only Saturdays and school holidays where it runs dead from Bradford, so, it would be very unlikely for it to be moved to TLC Huddersfield.
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Post by yorkslad on Oct 13, 2020 15:57:23 GMT 1
Couple of observations from changes around headingley corridor when travelled to leeds & back; 85 empty with 1 pax on a double decker. I think this service will be withdrawn unless it’s well advertised and used. It can be used by headingley passengers who seem to not know this. 8 on the way in was lightly used. Many people opting to stop 1 services instead. Again this needs to be widely advertised. Never seen so many 1’s. Saw 3 coupled together at Lawnswood school which indicates the absorption time at the Lawnswood end. Hope the 8 picks up for the headingley section as it is timed to provide every 3/4 minutes with the 1. Do we think the 8 is going to last? It does seem an odd route as it duplicates the 6 from the Bus Station to Lawnswood Roundabout and the 1 from Albion Street to Lawnswood School. Does the Headingley corridor really need that many stopping services per hour (especially at the moment)? About one every 2 minutes when you add in the 27, 28 and 85?
Also: anyone know when Infirmary Street is due to fully reopen? The 1 is a bit weird at the moment on the First app, running straight from Bishopgate Street to Albion Street - and I mean, straight! You'd think it would stop somewhere on the Headrow, as it used to do before the previous road reversals, but no.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 13, 2020 18:04:11 GMT 1
It’s probably a similar number of buses being used
Holt Park has dropped from 12 to 8 buses per hour, and the buses saved have been deployed on the busy core bit of the student corridor through Headingley meaning the frequency there as gone from 18 to 22 per hour (excluding the 85 and the various 1A/1B shuttles they’ve run in the past to Headingley Campus)
Of course with students doing online lectures etc I imagine it’s much quieter than usual
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