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Post by jimobasa on Sept 6, 2020 1:28:04 GMT 1
Can anyone tell me how far it is to walk between the 3/13 terminus at Brackenwood and the 3A/13A terminus at Gledhow and if there is any bus service between the two points.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Sept 6, 2020 8:37:09 GMT 1
About 10 minutes really for walking distance.
Good bit is if you got on the 3/3A on Lidgett Lane/ Harrogate Road end, the driver will let you sit through Brackenwood or Gledhow to say Roundhay Road. I found that useful.
Very similar to the 2/12 via Roundhay Park scenario.
Saves you walking between the 2 termini.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 6, 2020 11:11:37 GMT 1
Can anyone tell me how far it is to walk between the 3/13 terminus at Brackenwood and the 3A/13A terminus at Gledhow and if there is any bus service between the two points. About 5 minutes, but doubt many people would walk between them, as the route variation of Brackenwood Drive or Lidgett Lane is tiny compared to the rest of the route, so for the vast majority of passengers it doesn’t matter whether its a 3/3A or 13/13A.
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Post by joseph on Sept 6, 2020 14:11:10 GMT 1
Can anyone tell me how far it is to walk between the 3/13 terminus at Brackenwood and the 3A/13A terminus at Gledhow and if there is any bus service between the two points. About 5 minutes, but doubt many people would walk between them, as the route variation of Brackenwood Drive or Lidgett Lane is tiny compared to the rest of the route, so for the vast majority of passengers it doesn’t matter whether its a 3/3A or 13/13A. So I wonder why they've never simplified both routes to run as either Brakenwood or Lidgett Lane if the distance between both is short? Would make it better in terms of higher frequency rather than having people dash between both points when a bus misses.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 6, 2020 14:38:47 GMT 1
Am I right in thinking that Brackenwood isn’t actually a place as such, and that the whole area in including Brackenwood Drive is actually classed as Gledhow
Same as how Monskwood Gate is actually in Seacroft?
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 6, 2020 16:18:33 GMT 1
About 5 minutes, but doubt many people would walk between them, as the route variation of Brackenwood Drive or Lidgett Lane is tiny compared to the rest of the route, so for the vast majority of passengers it doesn’t matter whether its a 3/3A or 13/13A. So I wonder why they've never simplified both routes to run as either Brakenwood or Lidgett Lane if the distance between both is short? Would make it better in terms of higher frequency rather than having people dash between both points when a bus misses. When a bus misses its unlikely to consistently be a 3/13 or 3A/13A, so the chances for passengers to be chasing between stops is low. If you simplified the route, it would have most likely have to operate via one road or the other, so which would you drop. Even if it was simplified, you would still need 2 route numbers, as whilst the 3 & 3A serve the same route beyond here, the 13/13A have different routings at the Middleton end. One ‘easy’ way to simplify the operation would be to split the through working and make the 3/3A and 13/13A into having terminal loops, with one running clockwise, and the other anti clockwise round both Lidgett Lane & Brackenwood Drive. This however, would then cause problems for any passengers that wish to travel from one side of the loop to stops towards the city on the other side of the loop - look at the ‘part route’ journeys across here (and Roundhay) to Harehills / Chapel Allerton each day. Its probably easiest to leave it as it is, as it has worked for the past 20 years, and passengers are used to this way of operation.
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Post by irhardy on Sept 6, 2020 19:31:20 GMT 1
An alternative to walking between the 3/13 or 3A/13A terminals would be go past the terminal (as you don’t get thrown off, it is just a longer than normal stop where the driver changes the route number) and stay on until the common section of Lidgett Lane on the Moortown side of Brackenwood Drive or common section of Gledhow Lane on the Oakwood side of Thorn Lane and catch the other route. If you went to the other terminal you would only have 10 minutes as the 3/13 are every 20 minutes and so are the 3A/13A.
The problem with splitting the through working across Brackenwood & Gledhow would mean that the whole of the 2, 3/3A, 12 & 13/13A timetable would need to be re-written as these routes are all operated as one route, e.g. A bus starts every 10 minutes at the White Rose Centre as a 3 or 3A via Dewsbury Road, Leeds City Centre, Chapeltown Road to Gledhow (every 20 mins) or Brackenwood (every 20 mins) where it becomes a 13 or 13A via Roundhay Road, City Centre, Belle Isle to Middleton Thorpe Lane, where it becomes a 2 via Dewsbury Road, Leeds City Centre, Chapeltown Road to Roundhay where it changes to a 12 via Roundhay Road, City Centre, Belle Isle, Middleton & back to the White Rose Centre where it becomes a 3 or 3A about 4 hours after it left there previously.
I think that you could probably get on a 3 at the White Rose Centre and you would not get challenged & told to get off until the bus gets back to the White Rose Centre as a 12 about 4 hours later.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Sept 7, 2020 13:56:06 GMT 1
On Brackenwood Drive on the ( 13 end ) of the route there is a Bus Turning Circle. I wonder if this was used many years ago for services terminating. Unless they never actually did a through working.
I know there is a bus turning circle on Princes Ave for Roundhay Park.
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Post by irhardy on Sept 7, 2020 21:21:55 GMT 1
The Brackenwood Drive turning circle was used by the 31 Brackenwood to New Farnley via Oakwood, Harehills & the City Centre according to my November 1976 Metro Leeds timetable book. I am not sure when the route 31 stopped but it was not shown in my October 1986 Metro Leeds Timetable book.
The Roundhay Park turning circle was used from 26/10/1986 by route 55 which ran to Beeston via Oakwood, Harehills & the City Centre. The 55 was shown on the Metro Leeds maps up until the Dec 1992 map but it had gone by the time the May 1994 map was published.
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Post by Dom on Sept 7, 2020 22:39:16 GMT 1
The Brackenwood Drive turning circle was used by the 31 Brackenwood to New Farnley via Oakwood, Harehills & the City Centre according to my November 1976 Metro Leeds timetable book. I am not sure when the route 31 stopped but it was not shown in my October 1986 Metro Leeds Timetable book. The Roundhay Park turning circle was used from 26/10/1986 by route 55 which ran to Beeston via Oakwood, Harehills & the City Centre. The 55 was shown on the Metro Leeds maps up until the Dec 1992 map but it had gone by the time the May 1994 map was published. Also used a recently as Squarepegs 39 route. Lidgett Lane terminus towards Chapel Allerton serves both 3 and 3A, and in the other direction, 3A’s terminus is just round the corner from a normal 3 stop (not terminus). I used to live just off Lidgett Lane. Also, when the 38 ran, it terminated just after Spire Hospital.
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Post by martinsfp on Sept 12, 2020 15:19:11 GMT 1
Talking of simplification of these circulars, the 2/3/3A/12/13/13A is a lot simpler than it used to be. The current route numbers started 20 years ago this autumn. Prior to that they were far more complicated! Something like: 2/2B/3/10/10B/12/12B/19/19A/20A/21/21A/22A/23/23A!
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