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Post by ratty on Nov 21, 2021 20:35:02 GMT 1
Funnily enough, even when I worked out of Halifax 1979-92, Cunning Corner was really a total waste of a bus service after Rishworth. You got 2 passengers a day, and that was on a good day. The pub stopped us turning round in the pub car park, and as a consequence we used to go up to the car park overlooking Booth Wood Reservoir and reverse in to it to turn round, still no passengers. Even when we ran buses to Oldham/Manchester it was pretty rare to pick up any passengers between Rishworth and the Pennine Meadows estate on the outskirts of Oldham, the odd hitch hiker excepted!!! So, in short, there has very rarely been a call for it, and dare I suggest, there is even less of a call for it in 2021.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 21, 2021 20:55:56 GMT 1
Funnily enough, even when I worked out of Halifax 1979-92, Cunning Corner was really a total waste of a bus service after Rishworth. You got 2 passengers a day, and that was on a good day. The pub stopped us turning round in the pub car park, and as a consequence we used to go up to the car park overlooking Booth Wood Reservoir and reverse in to it to turn round, still no passengers. Even when we ran buses to Oldham/Manchester it was pretty rare to pick up any passengers between Rishworth and the Pennine Meadows estate on the outskirts of Oldham, the odd hitch hiker excepted!!! So, in short, there has very rarely been a call for it, and dare I suggest, there is even less of a call for it in 2021. When I spent 10 weeks getting the 562 at 7 something in the morning in 1993, I was always the only passenger between Rishworth and Denshaw except on a Thursday when a lady used to go to spend the day with her sister. Coming back at half 5 or so, it was busier, but never more than 6 or 7 of us. I don't remember anyone boarding or alighting between Cunning Corner and Rishworth (though there might be slightly more demand from pass users at other times) although one evening the bus before mine had left the road and gone through the wall on that corner.
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Post by Username on Nov 22, 2021 21:20:30 GMT 1
Funnily enough, even when I worked out of Halifax 1979-92, Cunning Corner was really a total waste of a bus service after Rishworth. You got 2 passengers a day, and that was on a good day. The pub stopped us turning round in the pub car park, and as a consequence we used to go up to the car park overlooking Booth Wood Reservoir and reverse in to it to turn round, still no passengers. Even when we ran buses to Oldham/Manchester it was pretty rare to pick up any passengers between Rishworth and the Pennine Meadows estate on the outskirts of Oldham, the odd hitch hiker excepted!!! So, in short, there has very rarely been a call for it, and dare I suggest, there is even less of a call for it in 2021. When I spent 10 weeks getting the 562 at 7 something in the morning in 1993, I was always the only passenger between Rishworth and Denshaw except on a Thursday when a lady used to go to spend the day with her sister. Coming back at half 5 or so, it was busier, but never more than 6 or 7 of us. I don't remember anyone boarding or alighting between Cunning Corner and Rishworth (though there might be slightly more demand from pass users at other times) although one evening the bus before mine had left the road and gone through the wall on that corner. If there are around 5 people on the bus seems like an ideal think South Pennine CT can run. They can run at least a limited service between Oldham and Halifax maybe an express service like the old X22 between Keighley & Halifax. The bus could stop at: Halifax Bus Station, King Cross, Sowerby Bridge Station Road, Ripponden Halifax RD, Opposite Rishworth Turning Circle, Turnpike Inn, the Centre of Denshaw and then Oldham.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 22, 2021 21:57:35 GMT 1
When I spent 10 weeks getting the 562 at 7 something in the morning in 1993, I was always the only passenger between Rishworth and Denshaw except on a Thursday when a lady used to go to spend the day with her sister. Coming back at half 5 or so, it was busier, but never more than 6 or 7 of us. I don't remember anyone boarding or alighting between Cunning Corner and Rishworth (though there might be slightly more demand from pass users at other times) although one evening the bus before mine had left the road and gone through the wall on that corner. If there are around 5 people on the bus seems like an ideal think South Pennine CT can run. They can run at least a limited service between Oldham and Halifax maybe an express service like the old X22 between Keighley & Halifax. The bus could stop at: Halifax Bus Station, King Cross, Sowerby Bridge Station Road, Ripponden Halifax RD, Opposite Rishworth Turning Circle, Turnpike Inn, the Centre of Denshaw and then Oldham. Sounds rather like the old X12. Interestingly the 502 and 562 were both withdrawn in the same era - where First took routes that ran hourly all day, 7 days a week, with peak extras, decided they weren't paying their way and instead of reducing the frequency or advertising them, withdrew the whole thing.
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Post by joseph on Nov 23, 2021 7:06:33 GMT 1
The whole area around Ripponden, Oldham, Denshaw, Holmfirth and Marsden (more or less Saddleworth) is great for walking and leisure in general with loads of good pubs so if some organisation like Dalesbus or Moorsbus was to be set up out that way, I bet it'd be successful.
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Post by moorside on Nov 24, 2021 18:33:11 GMT 1
The whole area around Ripponden, Oldham, Denshaw, Holmfirth and Marsden (more or less Saddleworth) is great for walking and leisure in general with loads of good pubs so if some organisation like Dalesbus or Moorsbus was to be set up out that way, I bet it'd be successful. Well, you would think so: but look at the erstwhile 906, run on summer weekends and Bank Holidays between Widdop, Heptonstall Slack, Hebden Bridge, and Hardcastle Crags. There were leaflets produced, posts on Facebook about how it took you to such beautiful walks etc, but all in vain, after a few years it got withdrawn for lack of use. On a different note, as a teenager away back in the 70s I used to devise fantasy timetables for all the routes around Halifax and the Calder Valley, and introduced a few new routes so that the whole network began to diverge increasingly from reality! It's been surprising over the years, though, to see one or two of them actually come into being, principally the 901, also the 524 link between Mixenden and Wainstalls.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 24, 2021 18:54:07 GMT 1
The whole area around Ripponden, Oldham, Denshaw, Holmfirth and Marsden (more or less Saddleworth) is great for walking and leisure in general with loads of good pubs so if some organisation like Dalesbus or Moorsbus was to be set up out that way, I bet it'd be successful. Well, you would think so: but look at the erstwhile 906, run on summer weekends and Bank Holidays between Widdop, Heptonstall Slack, Hebden Bridge, and Hardcastle Crags. There were leaflets produced, posts on Facebook about how it took you to such beautiful walks etc, but all in vain, after a few years it got withdrawn for lack of use. On a different note, as a teenager away back in the 70s I used to devise fantasy timetables for all the routes around Halifax and the Calder Valley, and introduced a few new routes so that the whole network began to diverge increasingly from reality! It's been surprising over the years, though, to see one or two of them actually come into being, principally the 901, also the 524 link between Mixenden and Wainstalls. On the other hand, the 900 hadn't existed for at least 20 years - it took around 5 years of booster funding to get to a level where Metro would subsidise it out of normal funds (and they're clearly not wanting to spend the extra it would need to make it hourly again).
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Post by benb on Dec 4, 2021 23:25:58 GMT 1
On a different note, as a teenager away back in the 70s I used to devise fantasy timetables for all the routes around Halifax and the Calder Valley, and introduced a few new routes so that the whole network began to diverge increasingly from reality! It's been surprising over the years, though, to see one or two of them actually come into being, principally the 901, also the 524 link between Mixenden and Wainstalls. Go on, I'll bite! I'd love to know what your fantasy routes were! Ben
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Post by glennh2 on Dec 9, 2021 17:04:46 GMT 1
Shade and Cross Stones in Todmorden Mount Skip (hamlet above Hebden Bridge)
I believe these are the only areas never served by the local minibuses. Have any of them ever had a bus service?
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Post by joseph on Dec 9, 2021 20:19:59 GMT 1
Shade and Cross Stones in Todmorden Mount Skip (hamlet above Hebden Bridge) I believe these are the only areas never served by the local minibuses. Have any of them ever had a bus service? Cross Stones did have a rural mini bus bus service a few years ago between Blackshaw Head and Todmorden, something like 10 or so years ago. I think it ran for a year initially running all day then gradually reducing to a peak time only service before withdrawal. Can't remember the number however.
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Post by deerfold on Dec 9, 2021 20:27:31 GMT 1
Shade and Cross Stones in Todmorden Mount Skip (hamlet above Hebden Bridge) I believe these are the only areas never served by the local minibuses. Have any of them ever had a bus service? Cross Stones did have a rural mini bus bus service a few years ago between Blackshaw Head and Todmorden, something like 10 or so years ago. I think it ran for a year initially running all day then gradually reducing to a peak time only service before withdrawal. Can't remember the number however. I've a feeling it was something like CS1.
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Post by irhardy on Dec 11, 2021 13:19:17 GMT 1
Everywhere on Christmas Day apart from the X51:-)
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Post by stephen01 on Dec 11, 2021 14:17:08 GMT 1
Everywhere on Christmas Day apart from the X51:-) National Express are running too
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Post by deerfold on Dec 11, 2021 21:12:37 GMT 1
Everywhere on Christmas Day apart from the X51:-) Usually there's buses in Keighley too. Looking like the second year without.
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Post by deerfold on Dec 11, 2021 21:16:32 GMT 1
Everywhere on Christmas Day apart from the X51:-) National Express are running too And Megabus and Flixbus.
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Post by irhardy on Dec 18, 2021 22:33:23 GMT 1
National Express are running too And Megabus and Flixbus. But I doubt that National Express, Megabus or Flixbus will allow local journeys within West Yorkshire on Christmas Day
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Post by moorside on Jan 12, 2022 4:27:52 GMT 1
On a different note, as a teenager away back in the 70s I used to devise fantasy timetables for all the routes around Halifax and the Calder Valley, and introduced a few new routes so that the whole network began to diverge increasingly from reality! It's been surprising over the years, though, to see one or two of them actually come into being, principally the 901, also the 524 link between Mixenden and Wainstalls. Go on, I'll bite! I'd love to know what your fantasy routes were! Ben Everything comes to those who wait! Sorry, for some reason I never saw this or other replies on this thread. One of my fantasy routes actually covered Mount Skip! It was the number 28, running from Halifax Town Centre, via Keighley Road through Ovenden, then Raw Lane and Crag Lane to Mixenden, then via Balkram Edge, Cross Roads, down to Cat i'th Well, Booth, Midgley and along past Mount Skip. I think it then went along to Pecket Well then finally down to Hebden Bridge. the timetable had a few short workings ending at Mixenden, but had quite a good frequency over the whole route, about every 90 minutes I think. I also had a number 22 which went from Halifax up Gibbet Street to Highroad Well, then Newlands Road, and down the hill from Newlands into Luddenden village. This was in addition to the (real) 26 to Warley and Newlands. Another route was from Ripponden up past Bee Hive and Cotton Stones to Hubberton, then somehow along to the left to end up on Scout Road and down to Mytholmroyd and Hebden Bridge - eventually there really was a bus between Ripponden and Mytholmroyd, albeit by a different route! I had some long distance routes too, cottoning on to the hope that Geoffrey Hilditch expressed when inaugurating the X68 Halifax-Sheffield, that there would be more long distance routes (these never materialised in reality). I had a Halifax-Keighley-Ilkley, joint with Keighley-West Yorkshire; and a Halifax-Todmorden-Bacup-Rawtenstall-Haslingden-Accrington-Blackburn, joint with several Lancashire municipals. I devised these as a young teenager, but when I was even younger I had a really daft set of routes covering more or less every metalled road which didn't already have a bus service, one route being from Halifax to Sowerby then over to the top of Cragg Vale, so that all the isolated farms had a bus. I still have all these fantasy timetables stuck in a box somewhere, they haven't seen the light of day for about 40 years!
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Post by Username on Jan 22, 2022 19:38:17 GMT 1
Funnily enough, even when I worked out of Halifax 1979-92, Cunning Corner was really a total waste of a bus service after Rishworth. You got 2 passengers a day, and that was on a good day. The pub stopped us turning round in the pub car park, and as a consequence we used to go up to the car park overlooking Booth Wood Reservoir and reverse in to it to turn round, still no passengers. Even when we ran buses to Oldham/Manchester it was pretty rare to pick up any passengers between Rishworth and the Pennine Meadows estate on the outskirts of Oldham, the odd hitch hiker excepted!!! So, in short, there has very rarely been a call for it, and dare I suggest, there is even less of a call for it in 2021. They might have not seen many passenger workings back then however, the 502 used to be quite empty but now that it was reinstated, it is quite a busy service. So I do believe exstending 586 to Oldham could work. Also there are a lot more walks for walkers along the A672 now. Also Denshaw used to get quite a frequent bus service but the passengers are complaining that they're service has been downgraded between Ashton and Denshaw.
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Post by Username on Jan 22, 2022 19:43:25 GMT 1
Funnily enough, even when I worked out of Halifax 1979-92, Cunning Corner was really a total waste of a bus service after Rishworth. You got 2 passengers a day, and that was on a good day. The pub stopped us turning round in the pub car park, and as a consequence we used to go up to the car park overlooking Booth Wood Reservoir and reverse in to it to turn round, still no passengers. Even when we ran buses to Oldham/Manchester it was pretty rare to pick up any passengers between Rishworth and the Pennine Meadows estate on the outskirts of Oldham, the odd hitch hiker excepted!!! So, in short, there has very rarely been a call for it, and dare I suggest, there is even less of a call for it in 2021. To be fair alot of bus routes get withdrawn for low passenger use and then people prove to need them in the next odd few years and fight for a bus route. Just look at the 502 for eg. It was barely used an now it has become a very busy service with people going to Ogden water, connecting for a bus near Howarth and the Ingrow Railway Museum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 1:55:54 GMT 1
Funnily enough, even when I worked out of Halifax 1979-92, Cunning Corner was really a total waste of a bus service after Rishworth. You got 2 passengers a day, and that was on a good day. The pub stopped us turning round in the pub car park, and as a consequence we used to go up to the car park overlooking Booth Wood Reservoir and reverse in to it to turn round, still no passengers. Even when we ran buses to Oldham/Manchester it was pretty rare to pick up any passengers between Rishworth and the Pennine Meadows estate on the outskirts of Oldham, the odd hitch hiker excepted!!! So, in short, there has very rarely been a call for it, and dare I suggest, there is even less of a call for it in 2021. To be fair alot of bus routes get withdrawn for low passenger use and then people prove to need them in the next odd few years and fight for a bus route. Just look at the 502 for eg. It was barely used an now it has become a very busy service with people going to Ogden water, connecting for a bus near Howarth and the Ingrow Railway Museum. The 502 is not really a fair comparison as non of the 502 route was ever left not served,it was just split at Denhome (at first i think the 504 offered connections with the buses from Bradford to Keighley,but it didn't lasted long). These days unlike when the 502 originally operated the buses from Bradford have been halved to hourly what would of helped and add in Denholme continuing to have new housing built it creates a much better business case than then moors between Rishworth & Denshaw (Thats before the added complications running into Oldham such as the low emissions zone & franchising both on their way)
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Post by Username on Jan 23, 2022 11:09:39 GMT 1
To be fair alot of bus routes get withdrawn for low passenger use and then people prove to need them in the next odd few years and fight for a bus route. Just look at the 502 for eg. It was barely used an now it has become a very busy service with people going to Ogden water, connecting for a bus near Howarth and the Ingrow Railway Museum. The 502 is not really a fair comparison as non of the 502 route was ever left not served,it was just split at Denhome (at first i think the 504 offered connections with the buses from Bradford to Keighley,but it didn't lasted long). These days unlike when the 502 originally operated the buses from Bradford have been halved to hourly what would of helped and add in Denholme continuing to have new housing built it creates a much better business case than then moors between Rishworth & Denshaw (Thats before the added complications running into Oldham such as the low emissions zone & franchising both on their way) But wouldn't First running to Rochdale be just as complicated?
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Post by joseph on Jan 23, 2022 13:36:27 GMT 1
Running some kind of service between Ripponden, Denshaw, Marsden and either Oldham or even Rochdale would be ideal for someone like South Pennine, after all they've made routes between Holmfirth and Greenfield/Uppermill work.
You could run a totally new link, maybe Huddersfield via the 901 route to Ripponden then over the A672 to Denshaw then drop down to Rochdale, gives Denshaw a link to both Huddersfield and Rochdale, as well as providing leisure travellers with links to pubs and walks throughout and gives many on the route additional services to enhance existing ones. Could run Saturdays only at first, with maybe some school holiday workings during the Summer to test out the viability of some week day workings. Another possible route could be a circular from Huddersfield via the 901 to Ripponden, then on to Denshaw and back via Uppermill and Holmfirth to Huddersfield, running Saturdays only.
There is a need for links over this area as there are plenty of leisure opportunitues, but a car is essential to get there, and who wants to be the driver missing out in the pub lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 14:10:50 GMT 1
The 502 is not really a fair comparison as non of the 502 route was ever left not served,it was just split at Denhome (at first i think the 504 offered connections with the buses from Bradford to Keighley,but it didn't lasted long). These days unlike when the 502 originally operated the buses from Bradford have been halved to hourly what would of helped and add in Denholme continuing to have new housing built it creates a much better business case than then moors between Rishworth & Denshaw (Thats before the added complications running into Oldham such as the low emissions zone & franchising both on their way) But wouldn't First running to Rochdale be just as complicated? The Rochdale routes would be affected yes,but the difference between them & an Oldham service is the Rochdale routes don't need to worry about building up a Passenger base as they are established routes (plus get funding from Metro)
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Post by Username on Jan 23, 2022 14:35:38 GMT 1
But wouldn't First running to Rochdale be just as complicated? The Rochdale routes would be affected yes,but the difference between them & an Oldham service is the Rochdale routes don't need to worry about building up a Passenger base as they are established routes (plus get funding from Metro) Maybe someone like South Pennine Community Transport can trial a service between Halifax and Oldham just like the X22 that ran between Keighley and Halifax before the 502 and see how the customer levels work and then Metro could make a contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2022 14:52:21 GMT 1
The Rochdale routes would be affected yes,but the difference between them & an Oldham service is the Rochdale routes don't need to worry about building up a Passenger base as they are established routes (plus get funding from Metro) Maybe someone like South Pennine Community Transport can trial a service between Halifax and Oldham just like the X22 that ran between Keighley and Halifax before the 502 and see how the customer levels work and then Metro could make a contract. Possibly,that would depend on how much money Metro has available to play with (You do seem to keep missing the point that the 502 was a different case) IMO you'd be better off once Franchising arrives having GMPTE funding an extension of one of the Oldham > Shaw/Milnrow services over to Littleborough & offer connections to one of the Halifax routes - better links within GMPTE & A Quicker way to Oldham compared to changing in Rochdale itself,plus Smithybridge & Hollingworth Lake would provide more passengers than open moorland.
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