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Post by northerner on Nov 27, 2018 23:12:06 GMT 1
There's been some rumours lately of potential strikes next week at Keighley, with a Tweet from Transdev suggesting there is a possibility this will go ahead but are looking at resolving some outstanding issues.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Nov 28, 2018 22:08:25 GMT 1
I was told 4th December Keighley Drivers on strike, then 5th December Keighley Engineers on strike
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 29, 2018 19:00:18 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Nov 29, 2018 20:36:52 GMT 1
Presumably they're expecting heavy support for it - half PVRs on many routes or worse, no evening services at all, no Otley routes, not even all school services running.
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Post by northerner on Nov 29, 2018 23:34:05 GMT 1
Presumably they're expecting heavy support for it - half PVRs on many routes or worse, no evening services at all, no Otley routes, not even all school services running. Interestingly the Shuttle remains every 10 minutes during the day whilst other routes receive no service. The 60 is only running between Shipley and Leeds Wonder if they are using managers to cover duties or whether there is a fairly large percentage of drivers who aren't in the union |
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 30, 2018 13:55:54 GMT 1
Wonder if they are using managers to cover duties or whether there is a fairly large percentage of drivers who aren't in the union No doubt both non-union drivers and managers and if the explanation on the web site is correct I would imagine a number of (becoming non-) union members will work as it if it is solely over pay they really do not seem to have much of a case. It was a similar situation at my workplace where a strike was called to reject a pay increase that was plainly acceptable to the vast majority of the staff (no 100% union membership) - I along with a number of others resigned from the union and the strike was so ineffective they could not bolster enough members to picket all the offices. Will be interesting to see if more drivers are working as how well can they publicise more service running. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 30, 2018 18:28:56 GMT 1
Metro are saying that all their school services will be cancelled except for
Primary School MyBus services P23 / P31 / P34 / P66 / P99
Skipton Schools services V44 / V63 / V64 / V66 / V67
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Post by Solent and Wessex on Nov 30, 2018 21:42:28 GMT 1
Personally I am not a fan of strikes, but in this I offer the drivers my full support.
Firstly the very public nature of the details of the offer and counter offer being blabbed all over the place by the company is unprofessional. As is the actually fairly horrible nature of some of their posts and replies. It shows a very poor and unprofessional attitude towards their own staff.
Whether Transdev think their drivers are well paid or not is irrelevant. Everyone is entitled to a payrise.
Keighley Bus Company says their offer is generous and the Unions demands are way above inflation and unaffordable. If the majority of the drivers are on the higher rate of £12.27 per hour, the offer of 34p, spread over 2 years, is a 2.77% increase, over 2 years. If paid equally each year then it is a 1.38% increase this year, and 1.36% increase next year.
The Union's request for a 50p increase over 2 years is 4% over 2 years. This works out, if spread equally on 25p per year, as 2.04% increase this year and 1.99% next year. Both figures of 34p and 50p, spread over 2 years, are well below annual inflation, which is currently 2.2% for CPI and 3.3% for RPI. So the 34p offer is poor. Even if the 50p over 2 years offer was paid to the lowest paid drivers, on £8.62 per hour currently, it would only be 2.9% this year and 2.8% next year, still less than RPI.
The Company claims that the 50p over 2 years offer is 7% for some colleagues and well above inflation. If 50p is 7% then they are paying some people only £7.15 per hour, which is below the national minimum wage of £7.83, and thus is illegal (£7.15 + 7% = £7.65 = 50p increase).
So either they are deliberately lying to stir up animosity amongst the public, or they are paying wage rates that are illegal.
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Post by northerner on Dec 1, 2018 11:41:29 GMT 1
Personally I am not a fan of strikes, but in this I offer the drivers my full support. Firstly the very public nature of the details of the offer and counter offer being blabbed all over the place by the company is unprofessional. As is the actually fairly horrible nature of some of their posts and replies. It shows a very poor and unprofessional attitude towards their own staff. Whether Transdev think their drivers are well paid or not is irrelevant. Everyone is entitled to a payrise. Keighley Bus Company says their offer is generous and the Unions demands are way above inflation and unaffordable. If the majority of the drivers are on the higher rate of £12.27 per hour, the offer of 34p, spread over 2 years, is a 2.77% increase, over 2 years. If paid equally each year then it is a 1.38% increase this year, and 1.36% increase next year. The Union's request for a 50p increase over 2 years is 4% over 2 years. This works out, if spread equally on 25p per year, as 2.04% increase this year and 1.99% next year. Both figures of 34p and 50p, spread over 2 years, are well below annual inflation, which is currently 2.2% for CPI and 3.3% for RPI. So the 34p offer is poor. Even if the 50p over 2 years offer was paid to the lowest paid drivers, on £8.62 per hour currently, it would only be 2.9% this year and 2.8% next year, still less than RPI. The Company claims that the 50p over 2 years offer is 7% for some colleagues and well above inflation. If 50p is 7% then they are paying some people only £7.15 per hour, which is below the national minimum wage of £7.83, and thus is illegal (£7.15 + 7% = £7.65 = 50p increase). So either they are deliberately lying to stir up animosity amongst the public, or they are paying wage rates that are illegal. I wouldn't trust any of Transdev's statements, although I wouldn't say any of their responses have been unprofessional. I think the increase on offer depends on the financial stability of the company - if they are making a healthy profit then it's only right the employees receive a rise in line with inflation. However, if the company is barely breaking even and a 2% increase will lead to cutbacks to maintain viability, then taking the Arriva Selby approach could be better in the long term. I would think there is no chance they wouldn't be paying at least the minimum wage though |
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Post by deerfold on Dec 2, 2018 17:19:43 GMT 1
The Company claims that the 50p over 2 years offer is 7% for some colleagues and well above inflation. If 50p is 7% then they are paying some people only £7.15 per hour, which is below the national minimum wage of £7.83, and thus is illegal (£7.15 + 7% = £7.65 = 50p increase). So either they are deliberately lying to stir up animosity amongst the public, or they are paying wage rates that are illegal. Or they have some staff who are under 25 and the wage rises take them to slightly more than the minimum wage for their age group.. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 3, 2018 20:05:34 GMT 1
Some services are being covered by other operators
972C – Bibby’s of Ingleton
975C – Red Bus Days
441 – Red Bus Days
I’m surprised they aren’t reducing the frequency on the 662 to enable them to run some more school buses.
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Post by deerfold on Dec 4, 2018 1:32:43 GMT 1
Some updates to timetables.
66 doubled to half-hourly
72 now running - to normal timetable
965 now running - half hourly
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Post by ianigsy on Dec 16, 2018 13:49:05 GMT 1
Now looking at another strike this coming Saturday (22nd) - combined with the Northern Railway strikes, I can't imagine the local traders in Keighley (or Skipton, Hebden Bridge etc) being very happy if people can't come into town on the last Saturday before Christmas.
It might not just be an issue with hourly rates at Keighley- the hours available may be coming into it too. My understanding is that Metro have cut some school contracts, which has led to some drivers losing work- I know somebody who's had to transfer from school buses to commercial services to maintain his income.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Dec 20, 2018 6:34:01 GMT 1
22/12/18 strike announced on screens and tickets...
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Post by SCH117X on Dec 20, 2018 11:48:33 GMT 1
22/12/18 strike announced on screens and tickets... Seem to be more routes listed as being operated than during the last strike www.keighleybus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=2574Aireline Keighley – Shipley - Leeds : We'll be running every 30 mins between Shipley and Leeds during the daytime, then every hour between Leeds and Keighley after 8pm until 2345 from Leeds theSHUTTLE Keighley - Bradford : every 10 mins through the daytime, then every hour after around 6pm until midnight Brontebus B3 Keighley – Oxenhope (no buses to Hebden Bridge) : up to every hour K3 Keighley - Braithwaite : up to every 30 mins K5 Keighley – Thwaites Brow : up to every hour K6 Keighley – Fell Lane : up to every hour K7 Keighley – Oakworth : up to every 20 mins K9 Keighley – Bracken Bank : up to every 30 mins 62 Keighley – Ilkley (no buses to Leeds Bradford Airport) : up to every hour Dalesway 66 Keighley – Airedale Hospital – Skipton : up to every 30 mins 67 Keighley – Bradford : up to every hour 72 Skipton - Grassington : Running as normal Wharfedale Links 965 : Similar timetable to a normal Saturday, with some times changed |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 28, 2018 12:06:42 GMT 1
More strike action announced for the 7th and 14th January
The 7th is particularly disruptive as it’s the first day when the schools go back
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Post by neukit on Dec 28, 2018 13:55:11 GMT 1
More strike action announced for the 7th and 14th January The 7th is particularly disruptive as it’s the first day when the schools go back Mon 7th and Tue 15th according to the keighleybus website. |
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Post by northerner on Dec 28, 2018 22:47:14 GMT 1
Interesting that the news article states they expect to run more services as more drivers are wanting to work. Could this suggest the support is always weakening?
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Post by ianigsy on Jan 1, 2019 19:58:55 GMT 1
I suppose you'll always get some people who'll feel that they've made their point but don't feel strongly enough to make a long drawn-out dispute of it. The trouble with striking over pay is that the more you do it, the more you have to make up because of what you've lost by striking in the first place...
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Post by neukit on Jan 4, 2019 17:40:56 GMT 1
An outbreak of common sense? / ℹ️ Strike action suspended for Monday 7 January ℹ️ On behalf of our customers, we are pleased that the trade union have suspended their industrial action planned for 7 January. We hope that the suspension of action is a turning point in the negotiations and that we will progress towards a swift resolution that no longer inconveniences our colleagues and our customers. |
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