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Post by SF07 on Oct 12, 2018 18:17:14 GMT 1
PB0000815/504 Registered
FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD
Route: Tinshill /Ireland Wood/Yeadon to Garforth via Leeds, Templegate and Colton
Service number: 19 (19A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Dec 2018
Revised timetable
PB0000815/985 Variation
FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD
Route: Infirmary Street to Thorp Park
Service number: X26 (X27)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Dec 2018
Monday to Sunday
PB0000815/382 Registered
FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD
Route: HALIFAX BUS STATION to HUDDERSFIELD BUS STATION via West Vale, Elland, Weatherhil, Lindley
Service number: 501 (503)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 09 Dec 2018
"503 revised timetable
501 no change"
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Post by kommie123 on Nov 15, 2018 15:14:55 GMT 1
Leeds to Thorpe Park.
Planned increase to every 10 minutes with combined X26 and X27 service AXED.
X26 service reduced to run 30 minutes with peak time services from Garforth Fairburn Drive.
X27 service to run every 30 minutes from Garforth Fairburn Drive to Leeds via Thorpe Park.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 20:35:33 GMT 1
Leeds to Thorpe Park. Planned increase to every 10 minutes with combined X26 and X27 service AXED. X26 service reduced to run 30 minutes with peak time services from Garforth Fairburn Drive. X27 service to run every 30 minutes from Garforth Fairburn Drive to Leeds via Thorpe Park. Well it wasn’t as though we couldn’t have written that script when the X26 started from observations it’s carrying lots of fresh air into and out of Thorpe Park there’s nothing worth going for currently. A few work time journeys appear to carry people and most of the people into Leeds are only coming off 56’s. |
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Post by SF07 on Nov 15, 2018 20:53:40 GMT 1
December changes posted on Metro: - 19/19A (First): Times changed at weekends
- 503 (First): Times changed at weekends
- X26/X27 (First): A new half hourly service X27 will be introduced operating between Leeds and Thorpe Park via Austhorpe Road and Manston Lane with daytime journeys extended to Garforth (Fairburn Drive) via Selby Road, Wakefield Road, Main Street, Church Lane, Ninelands Lane and Green Lane. A revised service X26 timetable will also be introduced.
www.wymetro.com/media/4190/public-transport-changes-ct114-01.pdf |
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Post by jonny182 on Nov 15, 2018 22:48:23 GMT 1
Leeds to Thorpe Park. Planned increase to every 10 minutes with combined X26 and X27 service AXED. X26 service reduced to run 30 minutes with peak time services from Garforth Fairburn Drive. X27 service to run every 30 minutes from Garforth Fairburn Drive to Leeds via Thorpe Park. Well it wasn’t as though we couldn’t have written that script when the X26 started from observations it’s carrying lots of fresh air into and out of Thorpe Park there’s nothing worth going for currently. A few work time journeys appear to carry people and most of the people into Leeds are only coming off 56’s. I now change buses in Cross Gates everyday to take advantage of this express service and although comfortable as it is rarely full, there is currently too much slack time in the timetable especially in the morning and afternoon peak times. I did not see this new service being advertised much before it started and it is a shame that the frequency of the new X27/X26 will not be every 10 minutes during the day but hopefully more people start to use it as it becomes more established. Is this a commercial service or have the Thorpe Park developers partly funded this service? |
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Nov 16, 2018 6:44:47 GMT 1
The springs is far from finishing yet, I don’t think it’ll be complete til later in 2019. The express service into Leeds looks like it’s helpful and must be for Crossgates and Colton folk. Though with the right launch it can be done. ( I was going to mention White Rose opened it did a good job and at least 80% of the store was ready and sucked in all the Arriva Dewsbury Road Routes and the 3 which was the (2) back then.
I can see more expresses being launched once the east Leeds housing extension gets even bigger in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 11:11:17 GMT 1
Well it wasn’t as though we couldn’t have written that script when the X26 started from observations it’s carrying lots of fresh air into and out of Thorpe Park there’s nothing worth going for currently. A few work time journeys appear to carry people and most of the people into Leeds are only coming off 56’s. I now change buses in Cross Gates everyday to take advantage of this express service and although comfortable as it is rarely full, there is currently too much slack time in the timetable especially in the morning and afternoon peak times. I did not see this new service being advertised much before it started and it is a shame that the frequency of the new X27/X26 will not be every 10 minutes during the day but hopefully more people start to use it as it becomes more established. Is this a commercial service or have the Thorpe Park developers partly funded this service? The launch of this has been woeful to be honest I’ve recent come across some leaflets offering a free day ticket which expired the day before! So many firms rely on the fact that “it’s on our website” which might be well and good but unless you go there looking for that you’ll never find out about anything! It’s steadily gaining passengers from the Travellers Rest in peaks as people work out where it goes but it’s all a bit cloak and dagger MI5 would be proud 😂 |
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Post by deerfold on Nov 16, 2018 12:18:38 GMT 1
I now change buses in Cross Gates everyday to take advantage of this express service and although comfortable as it is rarely full, there is currently too much slack time in the timetable especially in the morning and afternoon peak times. I did not see this new service being advertised much before it started and it is a shame that the frequency of the new X27/X26 will not be every 10 minutes during the day but hopefully more people start to use it as it becomes more established. Is this a commercial service or have the Thorpe Park developers partly funded this service? The launch of this has been woeful to be honest I’ve recent come across some leaflets offering a free day ticket which expired the day before! So many firms rely on the fact that “it’s on our website” which might be well and good but unless you go there looking for that you’ll never find out about anything! It’s steadily gaining passengers from the Travellers Rest in peaks as people work out where it goes but it’s all a bit cloak and dagger MI5 would be proud 😂 I can find the old plans online easily enough. www.thorpepark-parklife.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/X26_X27-Timetable-Full.pdf (direct from an ad on the frint page of that website). |
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Post by kommie123 on Nov 16, 2018 16:31:29 GMT 1
What I find really incredulous is that this is an "EXPRESS" service with a number of failings.
1. TIMING - Lets take the 1645 X26 service from Thorpe Park. It states it gets to Infirmary Street a whopping 45 minutes later. You could also take the 10 minute walk down to Colton Sainsburys and wait for the 402 or the 163/166 into Leeds. They both are scheduled to take around 20 minutes or so to get into Leeds. So even with the walk, its still quicker (just) and those services aren't "express".
2. WHERE IT STOPS - There seems to be an obsession with Cross Gates yet nearly all the feedback is from unhappy people that it doesnt go down Selby Road in Halton. Ironically the out of service buses actually use that route! In addition, it seems to slingshot around Leeds then doesnt stop at Park Row P6 (like all the other buses that head towards Thorpe Park!).
3. SLACK TIME - Buses are waiting for 7-10 minutes at Cross Gates. I get that they want it to be on time but people will just not bother.
The fact that the timetable as listed above hasn't gone into effect and is already reduced from the original proposals shows that this isnt working hence the reroute to Garforth to try and now pitch it as a direct bus to there!
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 16, 2018 18:51:34 GMT 1
What I find really incredulous is that this is an "EXPRESS" service with a number of failings. 1. TIMING - Lets take the 1645 X26 service from Thorpe Park. It states it gets to Infirmary Street a whopping 45 minutes later. You could also take the 10 minute walk down to Colton Sainsburys and wait for the 402 or the 163/166 into Leeds. They both are scheduled to take around 20 minutes or so to get into Leeds. So even with the walk, its still quicker (just) and those services aren't "express". 2. WHERE IT STOPS - There seems to be an obsession with Cross Gates yet nearly all the feedback is from unhappy people that it doesnt go down Selby Road in Halton. Ironically the out of service buses actually use that route! In addition, it seems to slingshot around Leeds then doesnt stop at Park Row P6 (like all the other buses that head towards Thorpe Park!). 3. SLACK TIME - Buses are waiting for 7-10 minutes at Cross Gates. I get that they want it to be on time but people will just not bother. The fact that the timetable as listed above hasn't gone into effect and is already reduced from the original proposals shows that this isnt working hence the reroute to Garforth to try and now pitch it as a direct bus to there! Re-reoute to Garforth is at the request of local Councillors, wanting something other than the train. I agree there's too much slack in it but Selby Road is too slow for me until you hit a bus lane. Atleast Crossgates has bus lanes for the majority. Can see the expresses becoming more prominent in East Leeds! |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 16, 2018 19:36:56 GMT 1
The frequency always seemed quite an over provision for something that was just starting out so I'm not surprised they have changed their plans. As I said at the time I don't think I've ever seen a completely brand new service with such a high PVR from the start.
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Post by FIYHANunDer on Nov 16, 2018 21:03:32 GMT 1
What I find really incredulous is that this is an "EXPRESS" service with a number of failings. 1. TIMING - Lets take the 1645 X26 service from Thorpe Park. It states it gets to Infirmary Street a whopping 45 minutes later. You could also take the 10 minute walk down to Colton Sainsburys and wait for the 402 or the 163/166 into Leeds. They both are scheduled to take around 20 minutes or so to get into Leeds. So even with the walk, its still quicker (just) and those services aren't "express". 2. WHERE IT STOPS - There seems to be an obsession with Cross Gates yet nearly all the feedback is from unhappy people that it doesnt go down Selby Road in Halton. Ironically the out of service buses actually use that route! In addition, it seems to slingshot around Leeds then doesnt stop at Park Row P6 (like all the other buses that head towards Thorpe Park!). 3. SLACK TIME - Buses are waiting for 7-10 minutes at Cross Gates. I get that they want it to be on time but people will just not bother. The fact that the timetable as listed above hasn't gone into effect and is already reduced from the original proposals shows that this isnt working hence the reroute to Garforth to try and now pitch it as a direct bus to there! I was going to answer each point with the reasons why the services are NOT a failure but i will resort to your language as I am not sure I can dumb down to your level. How great it must be to sit at home in your PJ's playing fantasy bus manager. Might sound harsh but you have no idea what it takes in the real world to start a new bus service. Rather than slate it, try supporting it and the people that work their nuts off trying to make sure bus services work. I would meet everyone of these keyboard warriors to discuss and you'd then have a real world idea what this industry is about. Makes my head boil.. |
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Post by rider5521 on Nov 16, 2018 22:34:15 GMT 1
All factual mate, all taken from the timetable. LOL. Don't like criticism do you? So the service is failing yet you defend it against a lot of cricism. Used it a few times it's quite good. Slack timetable but I'd have done the same in their position, Leeds is a basket case to operate in, so much congestion and variability thereof. Suppose now they have a bit of management information under thier belt they can adjust timings etc.. I Think it will be a winner. |
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Post by Craig on Nov 17, 2018 18:59:09 GMT 1
It’s a brand new service running every 15 mins. Yes it was planned to go up to every 10 mins and now isn’t, but it’s still unheard of to get a new frequent service and also running from 5am to midnight. (There was suggestion that it is entirely commercially run although I find it hard to believe First could justify this level of service without support from the Thorpe Park developers). In any case, I find it really hard to understand why it is being so heavily criticised.
The excess running time was odd, but as others have said, Leeds is a congested city and you don’t want to launch your new service and it run constantly late. In any case, next month’s timetable strips out the excess and journey time reduces by about 10 mins. In fact it appears the Garforth extension is being provided with the same PVR of 6 (a very generous PVR for a completely new service!). So now Garforth will also benefit from this service, although Arriva may not fully appreciate the encroachment by First on to their patch! And the X26 also partly enabled the peak time express X56 to be launched, as it maintained a frequent Cross Gates service despite the new gaps in the 56 peak timetable.
We all have a moan on here from time to time and I like to think this is borne out of passion rather than a desire to throw cheap shots at anything. But when a brand new positive development happens such as this, can we not embrace it and congratulate those involved for a change?
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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 17, 2018 23:09:31 GMT 1
From 3 December, Rotala are changing the 280 between Preston, Clitheroe and Skipton. Buses will increase (slightly) to hourly between Preston and Clitheroe, but reduce (significantly) to 2-hourly between Clitheroe and Skipton, and Sunday services are withdrawn completely.
Interestingly, the weekday service to/from Skipton runs on the opposite hours to the Saturday service, I can see why they've done it but it does run the risk of confusing passengers.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 18, 2018 9:37:15 GMT 1
From 3 December, Rotala are changing the 280 between Preston, Clitheroe and Skipton. Buses will increase (slightly) to hourly between Preston and Clitheroe, but reduce (significantly) to 2-hourly between Clitheroe and Preston, and Sunday services are withdrawn completely. Interestingly, the weekday service to/from Skipton runs on the opposite hours to the Saturday service, I can see why they've done it but it does run the risk of confusing passengers. I assume you mean the service is reducing between Clitheroe and Skipton? The Sunday withdrawal seems to be being described as seasonal so hopefully may return next summer. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Nov 18, 2018 21:45:35 GMT 1
I assume you mean the service is reducing between Clitheroe and Skipton? Yes, I did ... well spotted! |
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Post by guyarab on Nov 21, 2018 17:00:10 GMT 1
Heard a First driver speaking to one from Arriva that the 163 is to be withdrawn. The Arriva driver knew about it, but was not sure when it would occur.
Anyone come across this, what to me, seems unlikely?
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Post by peteleeds on Nov 21, 2018 20:32:57 GMT 1
Heard a First driver speaking to one from Arriva that the 163 is to be withdrawn. The Arriva driver knew about it, but was not sure when it would occur. Anyone come across this, what to me, seems unlikely? Is there much difference between 163 and 166? Maybe they going to just concentrate on one route? |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 21, 2018 21:04:56 GMT 1
Different routes between Halton Dial and Cross Gates, different routes in Garforth, different routes in Allerton Bywater.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 21, 2018 21:22:24 GMT 1
Different routes between Halton Dial and Cross Gates, different routes in Garforth, different routes in Allerton Bywater. There's plenty of routes with more differences have been combined. It's not that long ago we had the 164 and 165 (and X64) too unless I'm just showing how long it is since I caught them. |
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Post by SF07 on Dec 15, 2018 10:41:28 GMT 1
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Post by rst1987 on Dec 21, 2018 1:55:53 GMT 1
Leeds Bridge reopens today meaning 2/3/3A/12/13/13A/48/51/52 services revert back to serving Corn Exchange/Vicar Lane stops towards Roundhay, Brackenwood, Gledhow, Moor Allerton Centre etc and no longer diverting via Crown Point Road. Park & Ride services PR1 and PR2 also revert back to normal routes via Leeds Bridge to Boar Lane daily.
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Post by BG12 on Dec 22, 2018 2:40:37 GMT 1
This is great news! I bet there will still be passengers waiting by the Duke Strret stop for a while yet, until they realise they’re back on normal routes again!  Leeds Bridge reopens today meaning 2/3/3A/12/13/13A/48/51/52 services revert back to serving Corn Exchange/Vicar Lane stops towards Roundhay, Brackenwood, Gledhow, Moor Allerton Centre etc and no longer diverting via Crown Point Road. Park & Ride services PR1 and PR2 also revert back to normal routes via Leeds Bridge to Boar Lane daily. |
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