SF07
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Post by SF07 on Jul 31, 2017 21:01:29 GMT 1
Following Yorkshire Tiger's introduction of a £10 weekly ticket between Waterloo and Huddersfield on services 81, 82, 83, 85/85A and 231/232 between Waterloo and Huddersfield and 262 between Moldgreen and Huddersfield, First have now also introduced a £10 Waterloo weekly ticket until 24 September (for now). First's ticket is valid on service 372 between Waterloo and Huddersfield and services 370/371 between Moldgreen and Huddersfield plus First journeys on services 231/232 and 262 between Waterloo/Moldgreen and Huddersfield.
www.firstgroup.com/halifax-calder-valley-huddersfield/more/waterloo-week |
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Post by 1071 on Aug 1, 2017 18:13:45 GMT 1
Why do first always have to copy
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Post by rider5521 on Aug 1, 2017 18:57:28 GMT 1
Why do first always have to copy Erm.... a business who competes introduces an offer, and another one matches the offer...hardly copying that's what happens in all walks of business. |
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Steve Macz403
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Aug 2, 2017 18:08:52 GMT 1
First and Tiger should be working out a way to price a Ticket that all operators can use and work together.. Like the Kirkstall Road Corridor.
If Operators could work together on big bus corridors it could actually make Bus operations more friendly and attractive to car users
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Post by deerfold on Aug 2, 2017 21:27:28 GMT 1
First and Tiger should be working out a way to price a Ticket that all operators can use and work together.. Like the Kirkstall Road Corridor. If Operators could work together on big bus corridors it could actually make Bus operations more friendly and attractive to car users Tiger don't seem keen on those. They withdrew from the Kirkstall one a while ago. I'm not sure if that's collapsed completely - certainly I can no longer find any mention of it from Transdev or Metro. First still have this up: www.firstgroup.com/leeds/tickets/ticket-types/a65-corridor |
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Post by northerner on Aug 2, 2017 21:44:17 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Aug 2, 2017 21:50:30 GMT 1
Cheers - what an odd place to put it. I suspect they've forgotten about this bit with its reference to the 760 and Centrebus. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 2, 2017 22:35:13 GMT 1
Tiger don't seem keen on those. Does anyone? It's a commercial environment. I don't see a Harrogate day ticket valid on Transdev and Connexions, or a Halifax day ticket valid on First and TJ Walsh. |
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Post by deerfold on Aug 2, 2017 22:51:18 GMT 1
Tiger don't seem keen on those. Does anyone? It's a commercial environment. I don't see a Harrogate day ticket valid on Transdev and Connexions, or a Halifax day ticket valid on First and TJ Walsh. Well someone was to set up the Kirkstall Road scheme. You can get a 36 into Leeds and travel onward on First Leeds for an extra £1. Go to Sheffield and you can get a First/Stagecoach ticket. Go to Oxford and you can get a Stagecoach/Go-Ahead ticket. |
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Post by deerfold on Aug 2, 2017 22:52:34 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 2, 2017 23:16:23 GMT 1
You can get a combined ticket here. An M Card or a MetroDay.
They will have been persuaded into the Kirkstall Road scheme as it was on the back of the bus priority improvements.
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Post by deerfold on Aug 3, 2017 8:06:59 GMT 1
You can get a combined ticket here. An M Card or a MetroDay. They will have been persuaded into the Kirkstall Road scheme as it was on the back of the bus priority improvements. Yes, but these tickets date from when most of the services were nationalised. You said no-one would be keen on shared tickets, but that's demonstrably not so. Why did they then leave the Kirkstall Road scheme? |
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Post by Craig on Aug 3, 2017 9:09:18 GMT 1
The Metrocard and other ones like York are tickets where a premium is paid for all-operator travel. In most or all cases a cheaper operator-only ticket is also available.
The Kirkstall Road scheme is a very rare example of inter-operator ticketing where no premium is paid. (I'm excluding London here for obvious reasons). I think Kirkstall Road came about as a way to appease Metro when Quality Contracts were at the top of the agenda. Tiger pulled out as it's a voluntary scheme where the secondary operator gains nothing from carrying the passenger. Now that it's just First and one Transdev service, I doubt whether many passengers take advantage.
This latter type of scheme where tickets are accepted and no premium is paid for the privilege is very unlikely to happen where operators are directly competing, e.g. First/Tiger or TJW. Indeed, why would it?
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Post by deerfold on Aug 3, 2017 10:52:35 GMT 1
The Metrocard and other ones like York are tickets where a premium is paid for all-operator travel. In most or all cases a cheaper operator-only ticket is also available. The Kirkstall Road scheme is a very rare example of inter-operator ticketing where no premium is paid. (I'm excluding London here for obvious reasons). I think Kirkstall Road came about as a way to appease Metro when Quality Contracts were at the top of the agenda. Tiger pulled out as it's a voluntary scheme where the secondary operator gains nothing from carrying the passenger. Now that it's just First and one Transdev service, I doubt whether many passengers take advantage. This latter type of scheme where tickets are accepted and no premium is paid for the privilege is very unlikely to happen where operators are directly competing, e.g. First/Tiger or TJW. Indeed, why would it? Have you seen the services in Oxford? Many corridors are served heavily by both operators. |
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Aug 3, 2017 16:51:10 GMT 1
Does anyone? It's a commercial environment. I don't see a Harrogate day ticket valid on Transdev and Connexions, or a Halifax day ticket valid on First and TJ Walsh. Well someone was to set up the Kirkstall Road scheme. You can get a 36 into Leeds and travel onward on First Leeds for an extra £1. Go to Sheffield and you can get a First/Stagecoach ticket. Go to Oxford and you can get a Stagecoach/Go-Ahead ticket. Sheffield one, I think, is because Travel South Yorkshire insisted on one ticket for both operators on the same corridors |
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Aug 4, 2017 8:51:26 GMT 1
The Metrocard and other ones like York are tickets where a premium is paid for all-operator travel. In most or all cases a cheaper operator-only ticket is also available. The Kirkstall Road scheme is a very rare example of inter-operator ticketing where no premium is paid. (I'm excluding London here for obvious reasons). I think Kirkstall Road came about as a way to appease Metro when Quality Contracts were at the top of the agenda. Tiger pulled out as it's a voluntary scheme where the secondary operator gains nothing from carrying the passenger. Now that it's just First and one Transdev service, I doubt whether many passengers take advantage. This latter type of scheme where tickets are accepted and no premium is paid for the privilege is very unlikely to happen where operators are directly competing, e.g. First/Tiger or TJW. Indeed, why would it? Have you seen the services in Oxford? Many corridors are served heavily by both operators. Oxford, and South Yorkshire, are part of Statutory Quality Partnership schemes along with fully co-ordinated timetables between the operators - these cover full networks not single corridors & are part of a much wider set of measures which include, nominally at least, infrastructure improvements from the councils to assist the operators in return for them investing in extra/newer vehicles & controlling/reducing prices to levels agreed with the council. In the case of Oxford the operators entered into the partnership to try and head up a daft scheme from the city council that would have had all local buses terminating a mile or more from the city centre with passengers expected to transfer on to separate shuttles which would take them the last portion of their journey into the centre. Any scheme which involves operators talking to each other about tickets really requires an outside party, normally the local authority, to lead the project to avoid accusations of collusion & anti-competitive practices. This means that it needs the local authority to be interested in the corridor enough to get involved, the Kirkstall Road routes go right by Metro Head Office whereas in comparison Waterloo is a small place on the edge of county. |
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