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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 8, 2018 13:42:59 GMT 1
I heard a rumor Leeds X98/99 going to single decker operation, is this true? Booked “B7 Eclipse” Mon-Sat now.
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Post by kendall17 on Sept 8, 2018 17:46:26 GMT 1
28’s virtually all single deck today including ex BOS ones, single decks also evident on 6 and X99 is the dd situation that bad at Hunslet? Halifax depot appear to be doing a shuttle service for Leeds University, ironic buses from its home city can’t do it! Deckers an issue due to loss of them to other WY depots for school buses. Possibility with the Uni shuttle is that it can be schools drivers used from Halifax and potentially have a cheaper cost compared to Leeds.
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Post by drb111uk on Sept 12, 2018 8:29:41 GMT 1
Apparently the b9s have received emission modification work and the contracts have Green bus funding! The services being operated are all former Yellow school bus routes. The funding is only for 12 months apparently and then the buses are due to return to Leeds. Absolute shame in my opinion,but symptomatic of the bureaucrats running the PTE , historically in my working life the oldest sheds in the fleet were used for transporting schoolchildren! That's absolutely incredible. 09 plate B9s not being used in front line service. I thought I was seeing/hearing things when I saw 37700 on C36 in Halifax this morning. As per earlier posts, it looked like a miracle had happened with a B9 having Halifax stickers on it
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Post by cs1 on Sept 13, 2018 16:41:13 GMT 1
Apparently the b9s have received emission modification work and the contracts have Green bus funding! The services being operated are all former Yellow school bus routes. The funding is only for 12 months apparently and then the buses are due to return to Leeds. Absolute shame in my opinion,but symptomatic of the bureaucrats running the PTE , historically in my working life the oldest sheds in the fleet were used for transporting schoolchildren! That's absolutely incredible. 09 plate B9s not being used in front line service. I thought I was seeing/hearing things when I saw 37700 on C36 in Halifax this morning. As per earlier posts, it looked like a miracle had happened with a B9 having Halifax stickers on it Wasn't the Euro 5 exhaust upgrades funded by Leeds City Council and Metro???. Plenty of scope for B9s cascading elsewhere in Yorkshire not least replace the B7TLs on 503? at Halifax. The only positive is the wear and tear on the B9s won't be as bad as elsewhere (Sheffield & Bramley are going through major unit failures on the D9 engine ranging from timing gears, camshafts and loss of compression on no6 cylinder to total failures).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 19:24:03 GMT 1
That's absolutely incredible. 09 plate B9s not being used in front line service. I thought I was seeing/hearing things when I saw 37700 on C36 in Halifax this morning. As per earlier posts, it looked like a miracle had happened with a B9 having Halifax stickers on it Wasn't the Euro 5 exhaust upgrades funded by Leeds City Council and Metro???. Plenty of scope for B9s cascading elsewhere in Yorkshire not least replace the B7TLs on 503? at Halifax. The only positive is the wear and tear on the B9s won't be as bad as elsewhere (Sheffield & Bramley are going through major unit failures on the D9 engine ranging from timing gears, camshafts and loss of compression on no6 cylinder to total failures). Well perhaps the make do and mend process instead of a fully preventative process is to blame, if as much is done to the chassis as the interiors is it any wonder there are major failures occurring on vehicles coming up for 10 years old.
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Post by cs1 on Sept 14, 2018 0:34:12 GMT 1
Wasn't the Euro 5 exhaust upgrades funded by Leeds City Council and Metro???. Plenty of scope for B9s cascading elsewhere in Yorkshire not least replace the B7TLs on 503? at Halifax. The only positive is the wear and tear on the B9s won't be as bad as elsewhere (Sheffield & Bramley are going through major unit failures on the D9 engine ranging from timing gears, camshafts and loss of compression on no6 cylinder to total failures). Well perhaps the make do and mend process instead of a fully preventative process is to blame, if as much is done to the chassis as the interiors is it any wonder there are major failures occurring on vehicles coming up for 10 years old. The days of 5 year COFs and midlife overhauls have been gone 30 years, and that goes across the board whether First, Stagecoach or Arriva. A lot of policy re internal retrims or repaints goes to local level, so the state of some depots buses tells you what budget they have to address the problem. Midlife engine issues are nothing new, the complex nature of the D9 engine is an issue and when the diagnostics point the finger at an injector or injector loom only to reveal more serious issues like burnt out valves or worn out no6 piston and liner then it gets time consuming and very expensive, plus its not necessarily an age issue, 36273 is awaiting a complete new engine at 6 years old. To put in perspective, when the B7Ls/B7TLs were coming up to midlife engine overhauls all it took was a bottom end change and a new oil pump. Nobody now changes engines at set miles or hours, yes there's a limit to performance, oil use or emissions-thats when you plan them in for rectification. It also partly answers the frequent question of why First don't buy Volvo anymore in fleet batches, they are extremely expensive on parts and the major units, the Ecolife boxes are Industry known to be the B9s Achilles heel with all First vehicles having at least one warranty change. I agree that buying Streetdecks is not the way to go for heavy duty deckers (again its the engine that's the problem) but the only comfort is the Volvo B5 variants have a very short engine life too-normally ending in total failure!. I digress-my point is Halifax going to get value for money running them on schools and are the funding authorities happy with the deployment?.
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Post by cs1 on Sept 14, 2018 0:47:45 GMT 1
69219 which should have gone to FSY OG is now a Hunslet bus-although it is VOR, 69017 has gone to OG instead, it is going to be repainted rather than run in Green. It was an OG bus prior to going to Somerset.
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Post by kevg on Sept 14, 2018 10:33:32 GMT 1
66788 & 69207 are now working in Doncaster for First South Yorkshire.
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Post by cs1 on Sept 14, 2018 12:07:23 GMT 1
66788 & 69207 are now working in Doncaster for First South Yorkshire. Loans for the St Leger week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 14:28:45 GMT 1
Well perhaps the make do and mend process instead of a fully preventative process is to blame, if as much is done to the chassis as the interiors is it any wonder there are major failures occurring on vehicles coming up for 10 years old. The days of 5 year COFs and midlife overhauls have been gone 30 years, and that goes across the board whether First, Stagecoach or Arriva. A lot of policy re internal retrims or repaints goes to local level, so the state of some depots buses tells you what budget they have to address the problem. Midlife engine issues are nothing new, the complex nature of the D9 engine is an issue and when the diagnostics point the finger at an injector or injector loom only to reveal more serious issues like burnt out valves or worn out no6 piston and liner then it gets time consuming and very expensive, plus its not necessarily an age issue, 36273 is awaiting a complete new engine at 6 years old. To put in perspective, when the B7Ls/B7TLs were coming up to midlife engine overhauls all it took was a bottom end change and a new oil pump. Nobody now changes engines at set miles or hours, yes there's a limit to performance, oil use or emissions-thats when you plan them in for rectification. It also partly answers the frequent question of why First don't buy Volvo anymore in fleet batches, they are extremely expensive on parts and the major units, the Ecolife boxes are Industry known to be the B9s Achilles heel with all First vehicles having at least one warranty change. I agree that buying Streetdecks is not the way to go for heavy duty deckers (again its the engine that's the problem) but the only comfort is the Volvo B5 variants have a very short engine life too-normally ending in total failure!. I digress-my point is Halifax going to get value for money running them on schools and are the funding authorities happy with the deployment?. I’ve lost count the number of buses I’ve seen with engine management lights either on, permanently or flashing on B9 dashboards that just get ignored to the point where they don’t even get signed up by drivers any longer, I’m sure they aren’t just on for decoration!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 14, 2018 17:11:41 GMT 1
37707 is now with Bradford. Seen on the B98 this morning.
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Post by kevg on Sept 14, 2018 18:51:44 GMT 1
66788 & 69207 are now working in Doncaster for First South Yorkshire. Loans for the St Leger week. Yes I thought that was why they might be there. Cheers
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 15, 2018 7:07:04 GMT 1
Apparently the b9s have received emission modification work and the contracts have Green bus funding! The services being operated are all former Yellow school bus routes. The funding is only for 12 months apparently and then the buses are due to return to Leeds. Absolute shame in my opinion,but symptomatic of the bureaucrats running the PTE , historically in my working life the oldest sheds in the fleet were used for transporting schoolchildren! Hopefully Leeds will get sufficient new buses (presumably more StreetDecks) by then to enable these Volvo B9TLs to remain at Halifax.
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Post by gledhill56 on Sept 15, 2018 12:13:25 GMT 1
Don’t be daft, Leeds will get their 09 plates back and Halifax will get the 04 plate B7TLs instead.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 21, 2018 17:19:29 GMT 1
68710 has transferred from Bradford to Halifax
68711 has transferred from Bradford to Huddersfield
The yellow bus allocation at Bradford is now believed to be 68648, 68651/2, 68671/2, 68698, 68700/9. 8 buses to cover 7 services.
There are 6 modern double deck school boards using dedicated buses 37705/7, 37732/3/4/5 and 35100. Just like the yellow buses, the same bus basically does the same service every day.
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Post by jack97 on Sept 21, 2018 20:55:11 GMT 1
68710 has transferred from Bradford to Halifax 68711 has transferred from Bradford to Huddersfield The yellow bus allocation at Bradford is now believed to be 68648, 68651/2, 68671/2, 68698, 68700/9. 8 buses to cover 7 services. There are 6 modern double deck school boards using dedicated buses 37705/7, 37732/3/4/5 and 35100. Just like the yellow buses, the same bus basically does the same service every day. So 37732 bradford livery bus is on school runs only? And a streetdeck?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 21, 2018 22:06:08 GMT 1
Yes, First MyBus replacements must be the same green emissions standard as the BMCs.
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Post by driver6540 on Sept 21, 2018 22:25:07 GMT 1
Do these changes to the yellow school bus fleet affect Huddersfield at all?. Will Huddersfield be gaining any B9's to replace any yellow school buses?. Apologies for my ignorance on the subject, I've never really taken an interest in these yellow school buses before now. After reading the above posts,and understanding why. it still seems odd to have a newish Streetdeck on school runs only.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 21, 2018 22:27:47 GMT 1
I don't believe Huddersfield's yellow buses are effected this year although I expect the exact allocation will have changed
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Post by driver6540 on Sept 21, 2018 22:45:27 GMT 1
I don't believe Huddersfield's yellow buses are effected this year although I expect the exact allocation will have changed Thanks for your response WYB.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Oct 16, 2018 18:00:40 GMT 1
Has 35214 transferred to Hunslet Park from Bramley. I’m on it on the 6.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Oct 17, 2018 2:01:51 GMT 1
Has 35214 transferred to Hunslet Park from Bramley. I’m on it on the 6. I saw it earlier, I've been on the 72s all day. Possibly why I have had 33874 Enviro on my 2nd piece for the last 72 to Bradford...
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Post by kendall17 on Oct 17, 2018 6:29:20 GMT 1
Has 35214 transferred to Hunslet Park from Bramley. I’m on it on the 6. I saw it earlier, I've been on the 72s all day. Possibly why I have had 33874 Enviro on my 2nd piece for the last 72 to Bradford... With the eclectic mix thats on the 72s thesedays, I doubt it's 1 bus causing it
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Oct 17, 2018 11:21:32 GMT 1
I saw it earlier, I've been on the 72s all day. Possibly why I have had 33874 Enviro on my 2nd piece for the last 72 to Bradford... With the eclectic mix thats on the 72s thesedays, I doubt it's 1 bus causing it No. If a Streetdeck is unavailable it's either a B9/B7 or Enviro. The later run out boards are usually Gemini or Enviro. But with more StreetDecks in for maintainence the more other vehicles will be seen
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 15:02:21 GMT 1
Probably not helped by dire vehicle position at Bramley, seems anything goes!
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