Arriva Yorkshire Strike

[the110]

www.arrivabus.co.uk/disruptions

[dimmock87]

Striking over pay or some other issue?

[112jct41]

Nov 8, 2016 0:20:00 GMT 1 dimmock87 said:

Striking over pay or some other issue?

Pay and rotas is what was been mentioned when First Leeds were on strike.

[spiritofjaguar]

Nov 8, 2016 7:07:16 GMT 1 112jct41 said:

Nov 8, 2016 0:20:00 GMT 1 dimmock87 said:

Striking over pay or some other issue?

Pay and rotas is what was been mentioned when First Leeds were on strike.

I don't believe First Leeds was mentioned here...unless I was missing something?

[Penfold]

Nov 8, 2016 12:42:32 GMT 1 spiritofjaguar said:

Nov 8, 2016 7:07:16 GMT 1 112jct41 said:

Pay and rotas is what was been mentioned when First Leeds were on strike.

I don't believe First Leeds was mentioned here...unless I was missing something?

.... and its more over conditions than pay, although the laughable joke increase of an extra 1pph at the last deal didnt help matters !

Penfold

[112jct41]

Nov 8, 2016 12:42:32 GMT 1 spiritofjaguar said:

Nov 8, 2016 7:07:16 GMT 1 112jct41 said:

Pay and rotas is what was been mentioned when First Leeds were on strike.

I don't believe First Leeds was mentioned here...unless I was missing something?

I said it started when First Leeds were on strike.

[Penfold]

Nov 8, 2016 13:49:36 GMT 1 112jct41 said:

Nov 8, 2016 12:42:32 GMT 1 spiritofjaguar said:

I don't believe First Leeds was mentioned here...unless I was missing something?

I said it started when First Leeds were on strike.

First Leeds were on strike for a different set of reasons. Only one depot was involved at First whereas its all the AY depots. How the First strike can be linked to the AY one Im not sure

Penfold

[www.buseireann.ie]

I'll have a go at translating Yasbus speak into English and see how I do. Yasbus I think was attempting to say the reason behind the Arriva planned strike action stems from when negotiating took place between Arriva and the Union's a few months ago during the First Leeds strike. During the First Leeds strike, I personally did hear an Arriva driver say to a driver from another company that Union negotiations were due to start soon between Arriva and the Union. Yasbus, if I've translated this correctly, I'll send you my invoice.

[112jct41]

Nov 9, 2016 0:09:48 GMT 1 www.buseireann.ie said:

I'll have a go at translating Yasbus speak into English and see how I do. Yasbus I think was attempting to say the reason behind the Arriva planned strike action stems from when negotiating took place between Arriva and the Union's a few months ago during the First Leeds strike. During the First Leeds strike, I personally did hear an Arriva driver say to a driver from another company that Union negotiations were due to start soon between Arriva and the Union. Yasbus, if I've translated this correctly, I'll send you my invoice.

You've got it spot on.

[westyorkshirebus]

Nov 8, 2016 7:07:16 GMT 1 112jct41 said:

Nov 8, 2016 0:20:00 GMT 1 dimmock87 said:

Striking over pay or some other issue?

Pay and rotas is what was been mentioned when First Leeds were on strike.

What's First Leeds got to do with it? Entirely irrelevant to this thread.

[the110]

Arriva services - Monday 14th November -

Please note, these are the only Arriva Yorkshire services that will operate

No services will be running after approximately 18:30. We strongly urge customers to use other transport methods if available, and advise those who will be travelling with us to plan extra time into their journey. There will be no school services running on Monday.

110 - Kettlethorpe to Wakefield only (will not serve Hall Green)

Buses towards Leeds

First bus from Kettlethorpe towards Wakefield and Leeds 06:52 and then about every 30 minutes until 17:17
First bus from Wakefield towards Leeds 06:50 and then about every 30 minutes until 17:45


Buses towards Kettlethorpe

First bus from Leeds towards Wakefield and Kettlethorpe 07:30 and then about every 30minutes until 18:30 (last bus terminates at Wakefield).
Last bus from Wakefield to Kettlethorpe 18:47.

148 - Pontefract to Wakefield only (will not serve Ferrybridge or Knottingley)

Buses towards Wakefield

First bus from Pontefract towards Wakefield 06:45 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:55


Buses towards Pontefract

First bus from Wakefield towards Pontefract 06:40 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:40

189 - Leeds to Wakefield

Buses towards Wakefield

First bus from Leeds towards Castleford and Wakefield 07:15 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:20
First bus from Castleford towards Wakefield 07:01 and then about every 60 minutes until 18:09


Buses towards Leeds

First bus from Wakefield towards Castleford and Leeds 06:25 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:25 (this last bus will only operate as far as Castleford)
First bus from Castleford towards Leeds 07:01 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:06

203 - Dewsbury to Leeds only (will not serve Mirfield or Huddersfield)

Buses towards Dewsbury

First bus from Leeds towards Dewsbury 07:40 and then about every 60 to 70 minutes until 18:05


Buses towards Leeds

First bus from Dewsbury towards Leeds 06:39 and then about every 60 to 70 minutes until 17:04

254 - Leeds to Cleckheaton only (this service will not run in the middle of the day)

Buses towards Leeds

First bus from Cleckheaton towards Leeds 07:03 and then about every 60 to 80 minutes until 10:34, then 13:36 and about every 60 minutes until 16:39


Buses towards Cleckheaton

First bus from Leeds towards Cleckheaton 08:44 and then about every 60 minutes until 11:46, then 14:46 and about every 60 to 80 minutes until 18:15

229 - Leeds to Heckmondwike only (this service will not run in the middle of the day)

Buses towards Leeds

First bus from Heckmondwike towards Leeds 06:56, then 08:32 and about every 60 minutes until 10:35, then 13:35 and about every 60 to 70 minutes until 16:50


Buses towards Heckmondwike

First bus from Leeds towards Heckmondwike 08:15 and then about every 60 minutes until 11:23, then 14:25 and about every 60 minutes until 17:30

268A - Bradford to Wakefield

Buses towards Wakefield

First bus from Bradford towards Dewsbury and Wakefield 06:40 and then about every 60 minutes until 18:15 (17:15 and 18:15 will terminate at Dewsbury)
First bus from Cleckheaton towards Dewsbury and Wakefield 07:04 and then about every 60 minutes until 18:52 (17:59 and 18:52 will terminate at Dewsbury)
First bus from Heckmondwike towards Dewsbury and Wakefield 06:25 and then about every 60 minutes until 19:03 (18:11 and 19:03 will terminate at Dewsbury)
First bus from Dewsbury towards Wakefield 06:46 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:38


Buses towards Bradford

First bus from Wakefield towards Dewsbury and Bradford 07:20 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:25 (this last bus will terminate at Cleckheaton)
First bus from Dewsbury towards Bradford 07:00 and then about every 60 minutes until 18:00 (this last bus will terminate at Cleckheaton)
First bus from Heckmondwike towards Bradford 05:55 and then about every 60 minutes until 18:27 (this last bus will terminate at Cleckheaton)

281 - Dewsbury to Thornhill only (will not serve Batley, Birstall or Bradford)

Buses towards Dewsbury

First bus from Thornhill towards Dewsbury 07:31 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:31


Buses towards Thornhill

First bus from Dewsbury towards Thornhill 07:08 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:08

410 - Leeds to Pontefract only (will not serve Chequerfield)

Buses towards Leeds

First bus from Pontefract towards Leeds 06:15 and then about every 60 minutes until 16:20


Buses towards Pontefract

First bus from Leeds towards Pontefract 07:50 and then about every 60 minutes until 17:55

415 - Selby to York

Buses towards York

First bus from Selby towards York 06:50 and then about every 30 minutes until 17:25


Buses towards Selby

First bus from York towards Selby 07:40 and then about every 30 minutes until 18:15
First bus from Riccall towards Selby 07:49 and then about every 30 minutes until 18:42

444 - Rothwell to Leeds

Buses towards Leeds

First bus from Rothwell Commercial Street towards Leeds 07:24 and then at 08:50, 10:00, 12:00, 13:10, 15:25 and 16:45. This service will operate irregularly to allow the driver to take statutory rest breaks.


Buses towards Rothwell

First bus from Leeds towards Rothwell Library 08:15 and then at 09:25, 10:35, 12:35, 13:45, 16:05 and 17:25. This service will operate irregularly to allow the driver to take statutory rest breaks.


All Yorkshire Tiger services will be unaffected.
Yorkshire Tiger services in Wakefield and Kirklees will accept all Arriva Week, 4 Week and Annual Passes on this date to help provide other alternatives to some services.

Please accept our sincere apologises for this travel disruption.

- See more at: www.arrivabus.co.uk/disruptions/#sthash.de40NAEc.dpuf

[dennisthemenace504]

I understand that Arriva Management and Unite, held a meeting today, to try and cancel Monday's Strike Action.

Arriva offered no further offers, for the Drivers to vote on, so the Strike on Monday, is going AHEAD.

Looking at the workings especially for Heckmondwike & Dewsbury, 254 when gets to Leeds will change to 229,and vice versa, with 268A staying on its own, thereby allowing Driver Changeovers to happen in Heckmondwike, and Dewsbury's look like changing from 203 to 281 and vice versa.

[www.buseireann.ie]

What is the point in the Mickey Mouse Rothwell and Thornbill services, the resources would have been better used on bulking up other routes such as having short workings on the 203 say as far as Tingley providing a much more useable frequency! Can't see many bothering to use any service less than half hourly. Also, what in gods name was the point of the meeting today if Arriva wern't willing to offer anything!

[112jct41]

Nov 11, 2016 20:48:09 GMT 1 www.buseireann.ie said:

What is the point in the Mickey Mouse Rothwell and Thornbill services, the resources would have been better used on bulking up other routes such as having short workings on the 203 say as far as Tingley providing a much more useable frequency! Can't see many bothering to use any service less than half hourly. Also, what in gods name was the point of the meeting today if Arriva wern't willing to offer anything!

one mistake I've noticed is that none of the "hospital" services are running apart from 268A when they all get used daily and will impact big style on staff and patients alike let alone everyone else.

[112jct41]

Nov 11, 2016 20:38:59 GMT 1 dennisthemenace504 said:

I understand that Arriva Management and Unite, held a meeting today, to try and cancel Monday's Strike Action.

Arriva offered no further offers, for the Drivers to vote on, so the Strike on Monday, is going AHEAD.

Looking at the workings especially for Heckmondwike & Dewsbury, 254 when gets to Leeds will change to 229,and vice versa, with 268A staying on its own, thereby allowing Driver Changeovers to happen in Heckmondwike, and Dewsbury's look like changing from 203 to 281 and vice versa.

how can the 281 and 203 interwork considering 281 only takes 30 mins to do dewsbury to thornhill and back including standing time at thoenhill terminus and the 203 takes at least 2 hrs to do Dewsbury to Leeds and back. It would have made sense for 213 to run with 281 as they can interwork.

[dennisthemenace504]

Well, considering, that 203 and 281 are the only Dewsbury services, running, they must be inter-working together, otherwise, you'd have 281 parked up for about 30 minutes.

[mutty]

Nov 11, 2016 22:59:41 GMT 1 dennisthemenace504 said:

Well, considering, that 203 and 281 are the only Dewsbury services, running, they must be inter-working together, otherwise, you'd have 281 parked up for about 30 minutes.

The 203 says running every 60-70 mins therefore, it's not being interworked, it will just do round trips to Leeds and back ( dews - Leeds takes roughly an hour )

[mutty]

Nov 11, 2016 20:48:09 GMT 1 www.buseireann.ie said:

What is the point in the Mickey Mouse Rothwell and Thornbill services, the resources would have been better used on bulking up other routes such as having short workings on the 203 say as far as Tingley providing a much more useable frequency! Can't see many bothering to use any service less than half hourly. Also, what in gods name was the point of the meeting today if Arriva wern't willing to offer anything!

The 281 is probably dewsbury's next biggest route so don't see how you can query why they would operate it

[westyorkshirebus]

Nov 11, 2016 21:26:42 GMT 1 112jct41 said:

how can the 281 and 203 interwork considering 281 only takes 30 mins to do dewsbury to thornhill and back including standing time at thoenhill terminus and the 203 takes at least 2 hrs to do Dewsbury to Leeds and back. It would have made sense for 213 to run with 281 as they can interwork.

The first half of that makes no sense whatsoever.

The second part, The 213? Really? Really?

One of the most insignificant routes in Arriva's entire network.

[westyorkshirebus]

Nov 11, 2016 20:48:09 GMT 1 www.buseireann.ie said:

What is the point in the Mickey Mouse Rothwell and Thornbill services, the resources would have been better used on bulking up other routes such as having short workings on the 203 say as far as Tingley providing a much more useable frequency! Can't see many bothering to use any service less than half hourly. Also, what in gods name was the point of the meeting today if Arriva wern't willing to offer anything!

It's better running a skeleton service more widely than a good frequency on one route and nothing anywhere else. First Leeds strike was the same.

[gooderson1]

Yet another rant by "buseireann". This time about Mickey Mouse services and Arriva not willing to offer anything. I read that the offer was in excess of 4% back dated to 1st January 2016 which the union negotiators refused to put to a vote by the drivers. I can think of a good many folk including emergency service staff who would love an wage increase of 4%+.

[www.buseireann.ie]

Sorry, just to clarify, the rant wasn't about what was offered, it was about the complete waste of time having a meeting about the same offer when the same answer would obviously come back from the union. Skeleton services don't work by the way because people will just think it's not worth taking a chance on them for reasons such as they'll think it'll be rammed, what do I do if it doesn't turn up etc.

[dennisthemenace504]

Nov 12, 2016 0:23:47 GMT 1 gooderson1 said:

Yet another rant by "buseireann". This time about Mickey Mouse services and Arriva not willing to offer anything. I read that the offer was in excess of 4% back dated to 1st January 2016 which the union negotiators refused to put to a vote by the drivers. I can think of a good many folk including emergency service staff who would love an wage increase of 4%+.

From talking to a female driver, yesterday, what Arriva are saying isn't the full story.
Yes, they tabled an offer of 5.4% over 3 years, backdated to Jan 2016, which works out at 1.8% per year, but, apparently, Arriva also want the drivers, to pay an extra 1% into the pension fund, to fill the hole, left by mismanagement of the Pension Fund, that's been frozen for quite a few years.
She also said that on one offer, they would reduce the maximum driving time, from 5hours 30mins to 5hours, when this got refused, the pay increase went up, and the maximum 5 hours driving taken away, she reckoned that if the 5 hours maximum driving was offered back, it would be accepted.
But, who knows?
I, for one, think that they're doing right, by standing up and being counted.
✊✊

[gooderson1]

The days have, regrettably, disappeared when companies put large amounts of cash into a pension fund and employees paid in little or nothing. These days if you want a company pension when you retire you have to pay for it. I have a friend who is a serving police officer and he pays somewhere in the region of 14% of his salary each month towards his pension. I hope that Arriva are not taking that amount from their drivers.

[112jct41]

Nov 11, 2016 23:24:07 GMT 1 westyorkshirebus said:

Nov 11, 2016 21:26:42 GMT 1 112jct41 said:

how can the 281 and 203 interwork considering 281 only takes 30 mins to do dewsbury to thornhill and back including standing time at thoenhill terminus and the 203 takes at least 2 hrs to do Dewsbury to Leeds and back. It would have made sense for 213 to run with 281 as they can interwork.

The first half of that makes no sense whatsoever.

The second part, The 213? Really? Really?

One of the most insignificant routes in Arriva's entire network.

I only suggested 213 as that's the only other service that takes 30 mins both ways as well as the 281 dewsbury to thornhill and back.