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Post by JoeFell121 on Sept 13, 2016 21:44:25 GMT 1
Rumours have started today about the 781. Due to very low passenger usage (and no passengers every day for the last 5 days) the service is recommended for withdrawal.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 13, 2016 22:30:34 GMT 1
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Post by peteleeds on Sept 13, 2016 22:48:49 GMT 1
I would imagine there is a get out clause as originally wasn't it going to previously be withdrawn but due to a public outcry it got saved. But if no one Is catching the bus surely the money can be spent more productively elsewhere
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Post by pub146g on Sept 13, 2016 22:50:13 GMT 1
Yes, I see this service regularly in North Leeds and also in Otley and have to agree that patronage seems to have slipped from what was already a marginal figure to zero on many occasions. This situation became noticeable to me around a year ago when Tiger were still doing it and I would be out photographing it 'on route' and over time I became aware I was actually photographing an empty bus! Some folk occasionally catch it from Alwoodley/Moortown into Leeds but they're just doing so because the 781 arrived before the 7A.
Back in 2013 it was due to be withdrawn but when Metro received a petition to keep it they gave it a years' reprieve saying it would be reviewed again in 2014. The very fact it survived the latest re-tendering suggests it must have passed Metro's criteria on passenger numbers but have they looked at it more recently?
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Post by Burnside on Sept 14, 2016 0:30:27 GMT 1
I used it a few times when Tiger ran it and loadings from Otley were usually around a dozen.
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Post by pub146g on Sept 14, 2016 11:01:55 GMT 1
If I were to pick a day when I could say I've seen maybe a handful of passengers on it it would rather predictably have to be Saturday so maybe a once a week service would suffice.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Sept 14, 2016 11:45:53 GMT 1
I suspect that the market in Otley probably isn't as good nowadays, a bit like other markets. This may well be a contributing factor. The only place left unserved by a bus should it be withdrawn will be Weardley which could easily be covered by diverting one of the 923 buses each way.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 14, 2016 11:54:22 GMT 1
The last time I got the 781 (a couple of months ago) the bus was full.
This being said, when I used to get it with tiger, there would usually be maybe 4 or 5 people in either direction (somedays there would be up to a dozen).
People use it, it just maybe needs to be cut back to Otley Market days.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Sept 15, 2016 8:23:30 GMT 1
From what I can remember from when Centrebus ran it, the 781 was packed on market days and pretty much empty on most of the rest of the week. Reducing the number of days a week it runs may offer a decent saving with little actual inconvenience for most users.
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Post by kommie123 on Sept 15, 2016 15:04:16 GMT 1
Once the service starts losing money for Ladies Only Travel, wait for them to say that the vehicle has broken down and the service is suspended  |
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Post by 112jct41 on Sept 15, 2016 15:11:48 GMT 1
Once the service starts losing money for Ladies Only Travel, wait for them to say that the vehicle has broken down and the service is suspended that's true. It has happened twice already and is starting to become frequent for 933 and 252. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 15, 2016 20:18:00 GMT 1
The 711 was a commercial service, if LOT missed trips on the 781 they would have to pay lost mileage as it is a tender.
"It's starting to become frequent on the 933" presumably refers to that one time it was mentioned here when the bus did break down. Unless you have more information on this matter?
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Post by 112jct41 on Sept 15, 2016 21:19:13 GMT 1
The 711 was a commercial service, if LOT missed trips on the 781 they would have to pay lost mileage as it is a tender. "It's starting to become frequent on the 933" presumably refers to that one time it was mentioned here when the bus did break down. Unless you have more information on this matter? with the 933 there is quite a few occasions where metro and LOT have tweeted it isnt running due to mechanical issue or operational issue. |
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 15, 2016 21:55:57 GMT 1
The 711 was a commercial service, if LOT missed trips on the 781 they would have to pay lost mileage as it is a tender. "It's starting to become frequent on the 933" presumably refers to that one time it was mentioned here when the bus did break down. Unless you have more information on this matter? with the 933 there is quite a few occasions where metro and LOT have tweeted it isnt running due to mechanical issue or operational issue. And of course all the elderly passengers (customers) of Meltham will have read everyone of them and not have been left out in the cold |
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Post by kommie123 on Sept 15, 2016 23:48:38 GMT 1
Dreadful operator and I don't think their behavior with the 711 got in unnoticed!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 9, 2016 0:11:13 GMT 1
With Ladies Only Travel having collapsed, route 781 has reverted to Yorkshire Tiger this week.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 9, 2016 8:56:41 GMT 1
To be honest, I'm really surprised Metro have re-tender it in it's current form, I would have thought they'd have taken the opportunity of saving tax payers like me a few quid by making the 781 a market day only service, personally I'd have axed this non essential luxury leisure service, Weardley could be covered by one bus diverting each way on the 923, the rest of the route has services to Leeds which believe it or not has a market, oooh, and even more impressive, it has frequent buses to Otley for those desperate to visit Otley market, wow wee! Isn't amazing that whilst essential rural routes in North Yorkshire serving villages with only 1 bus route get trashed or even axed whilst places like Leeds has money to burn on routes like the 781! I can think of many other unnecessary services in the Leeds area, take the 70, Metro should have asked the owners of posh dock to donate the money for the 70 to NYCC as posh dock already has several buses running nearby, with the 28 running to it and it's only a short walk from the train station! It's about time the government stepped in and stopped this farce!
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Post by northerner on Oct 9, 2016 10:13:51 GMT 1
I can think of many other unnecessary services in the Leeds area, take the 70, Metro should have asked the owners of posh dock to donate the money for the 70 to NYCC as posh dock already has several buses running nearby, with the 28 running to it and it's only a short walk from the train station! It's about time the government stepped in and stopped this farce! AFAIK Allied London pay for the 70, hence their logo on the branding on the buses |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 9, 2016 10:19:11 GMT 1
As well as Weardley, apparently Alwoodley is another main traffic generator on this route.
It must be meeting Metro's level for tenders or it would have been withdrawn. I expect they have more comprehensive data than a few people saying they saw an empty bus once.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 9, 2016 16:00:06 GMT 1
I thought the owners of posh dock paid Metro the funds to run the 70, take it they've paid First directly? To be brutally honest, Metro should have said something in the press as well as directly to the owners of posh dock about this wasteful service, most of the time it's empty with only a short Solo load of people on it at the most! Ironically it's been set up to be an environmentally friendly way to get to posh dock however running empty most of the time it's adding more pollution to traffic clogged streets!
Regarding the 781, yes it's used well on market days but Leeds has a market, Leeds has buses to Otley, why the special treatment for Alwoodley when several places in North Yorkshire don't even have a bus to their nearest town! It's a bit like giving Seacroft a funded bus service to Castleford, might be used well but is it really needed? It's a luxury which in these economic times shouldn't be allowed when other more essential routes are getting axed. We might as well go the whole hog and give Middleton a direct bus to Meadowhall A simple re-distribution of public transport funds is needed, West Yorkshire has money to burn, e.g. they throw money on free town buses in small towns like Dewsbury and Huddersfield, North Yorkshire needs it!
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Post by deerfold on Oct 9, 2016 17:26:46 GMT 1
I thought the owners of posh dock paid Metro the funds to run the 70, take it they've paid First directly? To be brutally honest, Metro should have said something in the press as well as directly to the owners of posh dock about this wasteful service, most of the time it's empty with only a short Solo load of people on it at the most! Ironically it's been set up to be an environmentally friendly way to get to posh dock however running empty most of the time it's adding more pollution to traffic clogged streets! Regarding the 781, yes it's used well on market days but Leeds has a market, Leeds has buses to Otley, why the special treatment for Alwoodley when several places in North Yorkshire don't even have a bus to their nearest town! It's a bit like giving Seacroft a funded bus service to Castleford, might be used well but is it really needed? It's a luxury which in these economic times shouldn't be allowed when other more essential routes are getting axed. We might as well go the whole hog and give Middleton a direct bus to Meadowhall A simple re-distribution of public transport funds is needed, West Yorkshire has money to burn, e.g. they throw money on free town buses in small towns like Dewsbury and Huddersfield, North Yorkshire needs it! I don't see what it has to do with Metro if a private company chooses to pay a bus company to run a route. It's not as if they'll give money for a route that doesn't serve them if they give up funding that one. There doesn't seem to be much point comparing with NYCC unless you'd like Metro to give up supporting almost all the services it pays for. The free town buses are part funded by Wakefield and Kirklees councils. Leeds and Bradford were unwilling to continue funding theirs, Calderdale unwilling to ever start. If money is saved in Dewsbury and Huddersfield, it's not going to be spent in North Yorkshire. |
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Post by gooderson1 on Oct 9, 2016 18:25:05 GMT 1
I agree with the comments by Deerfold. Should West Yorkshire ratepayers money be given to North Yorkshire-NO. If you want money to run N Yorkshire service then increase the NYCC rates to pay for them but that would lead to danger of the county councillors be voted out of office and ending the generous allowances etc that go with the "job"
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Post by 112jct41 on Oct 9, 2016 18:31:19 GMT 1
I thought the owners of posh dock paid Metro the funds to run the 70, take it they've paid First directly? To be brutally honest, Metro should have said something in the press as well as directly to the owners of posh dock about this wasteful service, most of the time it's empty with only a short Solo load of people on it at the most! Ironically it's been set up to be an environmentally friendly way to get to posh dock however running empty most of the time it's adding more pollution to traffic clogged streets! Regarding the 781, yes it's used well on market days but Leeds has a market, Leeds has buses to Otley, why the special treatment for Alwoodley when several places in North Yorkshire don't even have a bus to their nearest town! It's a bit like giving Seacroft a funded bus service to Castleford, might be used well but is it really needed? It's a luxury which in these economic times shouldn't be allowed when other more essential routes are getting axed. We might as well go the whole hog and give Middleton a direct bus to Meadowhall A simple re-distribution of public transport funds is needed, West Yorkshire has money to burn, e.g. they throw money on free town buses in small towns like Dewsbury and Huddersfield, North Yorkshire needs it! I don't see what it has to do with Metro if a private company chooses to pay a bus company to run a route. It's not as if they'll give money for a route that doesn't serve them if they give up funding that one. There doesn't seem to be much point comparing with NYCC unless you'd like Metro to give up supporting almost all the services it pays for. The free town buses are part funded by Wakefield and Kirklees councils. Leeds and Bradford were unwilling to continue funding theirs, Calderdale unwilling to ever start. If money is saved in Dewsbury and Huddersfield, it's not going to be spent in North Yorkshire. in regards to the Dewsbury and Huddersfield Free Town Buses these are also funded by other parties besides Kirklees Council, Sainsburys for example also funds the Dewsbury one and the traders in Huddersfield fund theirs. Im not sure about Wakefield Bradford and Leeds though. Also considering Kirklees Counc wanted to AXE the Huddersfield Free town Bus, it was traders, MP AND public petitioned for it to remain. The Dewsbury one is been reduced down to one bus running 09:05 to 14:45 Monday to Saturday axing the busy weekday trips and considering its always full Wednesday & Saturday anyway Kirklees & Metro have messed up as they're only going to have to reinstate the axed trips. The 09:05 start is fine for on a Saturday but it should finish at 16:00 at the earliest. |
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 9, 2016 18:34:50 GMT 1
Well apart from the 70 funded by rich tossers who couldn't give a crap for rural people struggling to access their nearest town, the rest of the wasteful services are funded by Metro which is funded by tax payers like me. My tax should go towards funding essential bus services in communities like cut off parts of North Yorkshire, not for shopping services in West Yorkshire! Towns like Skipton, Keighley, Northallerton, Hawes etc are clogged with traffic simply because the bus services have been worn down or even axed. Rural areas all over the country are screaming blue murder for money to fund bus services yet Metro and some local councils like Kirklees can waste it! I've e mailed my local MP a few days ago about this issue but so far no response, the money IS there to save and improve rural routes, yes Metro should give some to NYCC instead of using it for contributing to unnecessary free buses, the 781, the very little used daytime journeys on the 63, shopping buses such as the 88 where good alternative services exist by changing in Bramley to a 14!
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Post by rossbailey on Oct 9, 2016 20:02:17 GMT 1
Why as a rate payer to Leeds city council in West Yorkshire should I have to fund a bus service in North Yorkshire?
You got your priorities totally wrong as north Yorkshire should fund its own without subsidises from others.
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