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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 21, 2016 21:45:14 GMT 1
I favour Britain remaining in the European Union, for various reasons really. During our time in the Common Market and European Union, several work directives from the Social Chapter have helped us. These included the maximum 48-hour week for non-essential services, 20 days' paid holiday and paternity leave rights. Also, the variety of food especially from Europe has improved. We can work with other European countries for the good of the environment, defence, imports & exports through the Single Market and more. It also makes for better relations with other European governments and citizens in general. With so much good coming from our membership of the EU, long may it continue!
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Post by B521UWW on May 22, 2016 15:38:38 GMT 1
Hate not being able to post perfume to Europe because of eu regulations. And being dictated to about the curvature of our bananas, size of carrots etc. Electric fags being restricted to low power low capacity versions (though could be down to government losing revenue on tobacco sales). Not being able to deport terrorists because they have human rights??? Free roaming for all and no control over our borders so invite more terrorists over! Soon we would have to display all signs and text into kilometres - they did it with weights in shops? Not sure I fancy being part of a nanny superstate being dictated to by to55ers from Brussels, can't see any benefit they have done for us - and sure we would have access to the nice food if we left (and the most popular uk dish is Indian)
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Post by deerfold on May 22, 2016 17:43:28 GMT 1
Hate not being able to post perfume to Europe because of eu regulations. And being dictated to about the curvature of our bananas, size of carrots etc. Electric fags being restricted to low power low capacity versions (though could be down to government losing revenue on tobacco sales). Not being able to deport terrorists because they have human rights??? Free roaming for all and no control over our borders so invite more terrorists over! Soon we would have to display all signs and text into kilometres - they did it with weights in shops? Not sure I fancy being part of a nanny superstate being dictated to by to55ers from Brussels, can't see any benefit they have done for us - and sure we would have access to the nice food if we left (and the most popular uk dish is Indian) Royal Mail allow perfume to be posted in the UK but not to amy international destination. Presumably if it was an EU rule you wouldn't be able to post it in the UK. Stories about veg relation appear in the papers regularly but appear to have little basis in fact. The regulations are usually almost identical to those we had before joining the EU. The European Court on Human Rights is entirely seperate from the EU. We are not currently considering breaking any treaties we've signed about this. We have control over our borders. We have not joined the Schengen zone. We committed to going metric years before we joined the EU. Anyone can sell in pounds and ounces, but they have to sell in kilos if the customer wants that. That doesn't seem unreasonable. My dad was a greengrocer and had no problems selling in both.
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Post by driver6540 on May 23, 2016 23:07:34 GMT 1
This is a very personal subject, we all have our reasons for voting in or out. I just hope people do turn out and vote on this, because it is important. Whatever the result, i hope (maybe naively) that things will improve for us all.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 9, 2016 22:54:52 GMT 1
I am saddened that just over half the voters in England & Wales said to other Europeans "It's our country not yours". At last year's General Election nearly half the Scots said the same thing to other Brits. Edinburgh is the least nationalistic city in Scotland, which did vote clearly to Remain.
As a result, I am cutting my enthusiast bus & train travels in areas of the country that voted Leave. Although Leeds narrowly voted Remain, all other West Yorkshire boroughs voted Leave.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 10, 2016 13:27:12 GMT 1
To be honest, the leave vote seems to have all boiled down to immigration and this false belief we will have more money to spend on the NHS etc if we don't have to pay the EU ant money. We got a lot from the EU, Immigrants paid a lot of tax into the system so the money we save won't amount to much when you take away the tax we loose and EU funding we won't get. Yes some immigrants came here on the take but that's down to the snotty nosed attitude of the Tories, if they'd have used more bargaining, we could have got a deal banning immigrants from claiming any benefits for 2 years in return for something else, e.g. a lower tax rate for EU workers working over 40 hours a week. The EU hate the snobby nosed attitude of posh English public school so called educated snobs, if only these snobs acting for us in Europe were down to earth! I'm totally against people who say EU migrants take jobs from the English and keep wages low, the minimum wage is law so if a wage goes below that then that employer will screw you over anyway so your best not working for them! I work in an industry where the same job varies dramatically in wage from company to company, it's got nothing to do with immigrants, it's simply what employers are willing to pay.
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Post by B521UWW on Jul 16, 2016 14:45:17 GMT 1
I think Metroline1511 could possibly bring the country to its knees, now he won't ride a bus in a leave area!
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Post by driver6540 on Jul 20, 2016 22:34:41 GMT 1
I think Metroline1511 could possibly bring the country to its knees, now he won't ride a bus in a leave area! Nowt wrong with having principles, whether thee or me agree with them or not. The Brexit vote certainly provoked emotive responses from both sides of the debate but, that's democracy for you. The people voted and we all know the result, whether we got it right or wrong only time will tell. Whether we agree with Metroline's opinions or not is unimportant but, fair play to him if he feels that strongly about it and i fully support his right to act on his principles regardless of whether i agree with opinions or not. Isn't that what real democracy is about?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 31, 2016 20:59:07 GMT 1
I think Metroline1511 could possibly bring the country to its knees, now he won't ride a bus in a leave area! Nowt wrong with having principles, whether thee or me agree with them or not. The Brexit vote certainly provoked emotive responses from both sides of the debate but, that's democracy for you. The people voted and we all know the result, whether we got it right or wrong only time will tell. Whether we agree with Metroline's opinions or not is unimportant but, fair play to him if he feels that strongly about it and i fully support his right to act on his principles regardless of whether i agree with opinions or not. Isn't that what real democracy is about? Thank you for your understanding. I agree to differ with people socially, and am aware of drawbacks within how the EU is run. As you may have gathered, I am concerned about the message the Leave campaign sent to the wider world. The Brexit vote could also lead to areas of Northern Ireland who are on the border of the Republic being separated by a frontier despite voting to remain. My travels might not in practice fall back hugely, as I am still being flexible about any full journey to/from Europhile areas. So, I might still be travelling from Leeds to Bradford to see the new shopping centre for example!
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Post by upasalmon70 on Dec 23, 2016 8:44:52 GMT 1
This topic has been dormant since the summer, and I have only just found it. On 23 June (actually earlier in the month by post) I decided to SPOIL my ballot paper by writing Neither Brussels Nor Westminster". This indicates my utter contempt for both institutions.
I was a few months too young to partake in the 1975 referendum where my late parents voted to leave, but in 1975 there were , with the exception of Enoch Powell no rabid racists or the anti human rights lobby in the LEAVE camp. Its the ugly racism, that manifested itself in the murder of Jo Cox MP that stopped me voting LEAVE.
I don't think working class people in Britain are allowed any of the rights and benefits of the EU by our politicians. The EU didn't overrule bus deregulation for example. However the LEAVE camp didn't explain that leaving the EU would be like bare-handedly unravelling five tons of knotted barbed wire. All the negotiations that will rumble on for years to come given that no politician can actually say "goodbye, we're off Monsieur's et madames" and break off like that. 23rd June 2016 wasn't the end of the matter.
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Post by driver6540 on Dec 28, 2016 23:54:06 GMT 1
This topic has been dormant since the summer, and I have only just found it. On 23 June (actually earlier in the month by post) I decided to SPOIL my ballot paper by writing Neither Brussels Nor Westminster". This indicates my utter contempt for both institutions. I was a few months too young to partake in the 1975 referendum where my late parents voted to leave, but in 1975 there were , with the exception of Enoch Powell no rabid racists or the anti human rights lobby in the LEAVE camp. Its the ugly racism, that manifested itself in the murder of Jo Cox MP that stopped me voting LEAVE. I don't think working class people in Britain are allowed any of the rights and benefits of the EU by our politicians. The EU didn't overrule bus deregulation for example. However the LEAVE camp didn't explain that leaving the EU would be like bare-handedly unravelling five tons of knotted barbed wire. All the negotiations that will rumble on for years to come given that no politician can actually say "goodbye, we're off Monsieur's et madames" and break off like that. 23rd June 2016 wasn't the end of the matter. Very well put, i'm pretty much in agreement with most of what you say. The next ten years will define whether it was the right or wrong thing to do. But, as always there will be a price to be paid.
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Post by Craig on Dec 29, 2016 14:50:43 GMT 1
On 23 June (actually earlier in the month by post) I decided to SPOIL my ballot paper by writing Neither Brussels Nor Westminster". This indicates my utter contempt for both institutions. Wasn't that just as (in)effective as not bothering to go to vote at all?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 7, 2017 23:30:27 GMT 1
In the wake of the referendum result, I pledged to cut my enthusiast travels to Leave areas to secure a "Europhile majority" as it were. Well, in the 12 days out I had in the 2nd half of 2016, I deduce that my travels were 69% Europhile. I have devised a points based system (at the risk of borrowing from Leave campaigners!) and earned 4 points for trips in entirely Europhile boroughs, 3 points if some cross-boundary routes were included, 2 points for mixed bags or cross-boundary only trips, 1 point for mainly Leave with some cross-boundary routes and 0 points for entirely Eurosceptic travels. Anyway, my points totted up as follows:-
2 July - Manchester, Leigh & Ashton - 3/4 23 July - London: Enfield & Turnpike Lane - 4/4 29 August - Leeds, Castleford & Bradford - 3/4 1 September - Warwick & Coventry - 3/4 2 September - London: City & Bermondsey - 4/4 3 September - Birmingham - 0/4 1 October - Liverpool & Bootle - 4/4 29 October - London: Woolwich & Bexleyheath - 3/4 26 November - Reddish & Trafford - 4/4 27 December - to Cambridge via Peterborough / King's Lynn bus - 0/4 28 December - Cambridge & St Ives - 3/4 29 December - Home via Cambridge / Milton Keynes bus - 2/4
So, my Europhile score tots up to 33/48 = 69%. So now you know!
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Post by B521UWW on Jan 19, 2017 21:23:40 GMT 1
Lots of shiny new Versas here in Keighley you can't ride on Metroline!!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jan 21, 2017 21:14:29 GMT 1
Lots of shiny new Versas here in Keighley you can't ride on Metroline!! I can, but if I do I lose Europhile points. New buses are usually nice to ride, but I have done Transdev Versas in Lancs in 2008 and York in 2015. As it is, I am planning to come to Keighley in September or October, but to arrive by bus from Otley in Leeds and go back to "Leeds Central" by train. A few years ago I heard a guard calling that station Leeds Central!
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