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Post by SCH117X on May 9, 2016 18:17:45 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on May 9, 2016 18:21:38 GMT 1
If it was my local bus route, it'd be nice to have a bit more notice of what is looking like a major change.
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Post by SCH117X on May 25, 2016 22:22:59 GMT 1
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Post by Burnside on May 26, 2016 1:31:20 GMT 1
Blimey! Won't need headlights at night with that paint job!
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Post by gooderson1 on May 26, 2016 12:31:50 GMT 1
The timetable on the Transdev York website shows the service as operating Mon-Fri and a second table as operating Sats and public holidays. Any idea why the routes are not operating on a Sunday
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Post by deerfold on May 26, 2016 14:25:47 GMT 1
The timetable on the Transdev York website shows the service as operating Mon-Fri and a second table as operating Sats and public holidays. Any idea why the routes are not operating on a Sunday None of the routes these are replacing have run on a Sunday for many years - in fact it's a pleasant surprise that they will be running on a Public Holiday. Why would you expect them to operate on a Sunday? |
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Post by gooderson1 on May 26, 2016 16:19:13 GMT 1
Surely if you can run a commercial service on a public holiday then you can run a commercial service on Sundays
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Post by deerfold on May 26, 2016 18:01:46 GMT 1
You've probably got more people going for a day out on a Public Holiday than any random Sunday.
It's good to see such steps. If the Public Holiday service does well then perhaps there'll be a case for a Sunday service. At the moment they don't know if a Public Holiday service will be successful.
It's good to see all this investment in the routes, but it's a bit of a gamble for Transdev - it's not like upgrading the successful 36 - it's about doing what they can with a route when it would be as easy to drop it entirely - in an area where the level of public subsidy is fast approaching zero.
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Post by stevieinselby on May 26, 2016 21:36:50 GMT 1
The timetable on the Transdev York website shows the service as operating Mon-Fri and a second table as operating Sats and public holidays. Any idea why the routes are not operating on a Sunday Good spot, I'd missed that! Apart from the summer Sunday Dalesbus service running semi-express between York and Ripon, there hasn't been a Sunday service on any of the 22 route for at least fifteen years, probably a lot longer. There are increasing numbers of buses that run on bank holiday Mondays but not on Sundays: Stephensons have run services on bank holidays but not Sundays for a few years. This year they have introduced some more summer Sunday services and thinned back the bank holiday only services, but in the past they have had bank holiday only services running on 29, 31X, 181, 183, 193 and 194. Coastliner ran a Saturday service on bank holidays for several years rather than the less frequent Sunday timetable. Then they dropped it with no advance warning. Dales & District run bank holiday services on 29, X34, 55, 72 and 159, but apart from one experimental service a couple of years ago none of these routes have had a Sunday service in the time I've been here. First York Park and Ride run a weekday timetable on bank holidays rather than the more limited Sunday timetable. Pennine used to run a bank holiday service on the 212, 214, 216 and 580, but these services didn't run on Sundays. On the other hand, I can't think of any services that run on Sundays but not on bank holidays (or at least an equivalent service of at least the same level). |
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Post by deerfold on May 27, 2016 8:37:30 GMT 1
I'm not sure that the timetable showing as operating on public holidays isn't a mistake - Traveline does not show it as operating on 30th May, but does show it on the 31st.
If it does operate on public holidays, it'll start running before the 36!
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Post by gooderson1 on May 28, 2016 22:45:13 GMT 1
The words "and public holidays" appear to have disappeared from the on line timetables on the Transdev York website
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Post by ajw11239 on May 29, 2016 9:54:15 GMT 1
On Twitter, apparently the new services are starting on Tuesday, and the last 143 ran yesterday, so I believe there isn't a public holiday service. There never was on the 143.
York's P&R timetable does start later (and finish slightly earlier) on a Sunday but apart from that it's much the same - all those services run every 10 minutes, 7 days a week.
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Post by SCH117X on May 30, 2016 22:03:02 GMT 1
The words "and public holidays" appear to have disappeared from the on line timetables on the Transdev York website but not unfortunately on NYCCs copy - and probably never will change given how out of date their Route 6 timetable is. |
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Post by SCH117X on May 31, 2016 21:45:00 GMT 1
First day and white Dart 665 had to stand in for one of the branded vehicles.
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Post by stevieinselby on May 31, 2016 22:18:38 GMT 1
First day and white Dart 665 had to stand in for one of the branded vehicles. Not a great surprise – when you need 100% availability from 12-year-old Dennis Darts, you're likely to find you are out of luck pretty regularly! Such is the problem, folly even, of route-branding buses when you've only got such small numbers in each pool. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 1, 2016 20:39:43 GMT 1
714 was the poorly one, probably something to do with the repairs its just had?
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Post by alextransdev on Jun 1, 2016 22:00:32 GMT 1
First day and white Dart 665 had to stand in for one of the branded vehicles. Not a great surprise – when you need 100% availability from 12-year-old Dennis Darts, you're likely to find you are out of luck pretty regularly! Such is the problem, folly even, of route-branding buses when you've only got such small numbers in each pool. 714 was off service for a photoshoot and promotion with transport minister Andrew Jones MP for service launch |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 1, 2016 23:20:28 GMT 1
Not a great surprise – when you need 100% availability from 12-year-old Dennis Darts, you're likely to find you are out of luck pretty regularly! Such is the problem, folly even, of route-branding buses when you've only got such small numbers in each pool. 714 was off service for a photoshoot and promotion with transport minister Andrew Jones MP for service launch Fair enough, sounds like a good enough excuse! But I stand by my view that route branding a batch of vehicles smaller than 6 is not a great idea unless the vehicles cannot be used interchangeably with the rest of the fleet. |
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jun 2, 2016 8:45:35 GMT 1
714 was off service for a photoshoot and promotion with transport minister Andrew Jones MP for service launch Fair enough, sounds like a good enough excuse! But I stand by my view that route branding a batch of vehicles smaller than 6 is not a great idea unless the vehicles cannot be used interchangeably with the rest of the fleet. It doesn't really matter how big the branded fleet is there will always be occasions when unbranded spares need to cover for vehicles off for servicing and other things. Even Trent, who have a route with the pvr of a small bus depot, have to use unbranded spares to cover, any route with a pvr less than about 20 will not really be able to justify having its own branded spare (that is the level where an operator can be pretty certain that they will have a vehicle off the road every day for servicing - buses tend to be serviced once every 4 weeks or so, different operators will have their own timescales but most come out in the 3-5 week band) but even then having extra branded spares to cover unplanned unavailability would be difficult to justify. You can brand a single bus working perfectly acceptably, the only requirement is that your operations team are good on their allocations to ensure that the branded bus is always on the same working which is not difficult but does require full buy-in from the people doing the run-out in the morning to the concept of route branding which the Transdev operations already seem to have as they have other branded routes that they seem to be pretty good at keeping to. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 7, 2016 21:18:15 GMT 1
Seems that both 707 and 714 failed today - 707 being replaced by white Dart 662 (maybe all day) and 714 failure late in the afternoon led to Enviro 200 1108 being sent out.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jun 7, 2016 21:43:32 GMT 1
Seems that both 707 and 714 failed today - 707 being replaced by white Dart 662 (maybe all day) and 714 failed late in the afternoon so Enviro 200 1108 was sent out. And a B10 did a Harrogate, and last Ripon. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 8, 2016 17:38:14 GMT 1
Would have thought M-ticket 705 ought to be added to the pool. Not certain what loads, if any, the 22X gets but doubt sending the Enviro to work it was at all profitable. It might be better to scrap the 22X and work some from Starbeck rather than York.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 9, 2016 22:12:18 GMT 1
Would have thought M-ticket 705 ought to be added to the pool. Not certain what loads, if any, the 22X gets but doubt sending the Enviro to work it was at all profitable. It might be better to scrap the 22X and work some from Starbeck rather than York. Today I saw two of the yellow perils returning to York - one was the 22X, I'm not sure whether the other was the 23X or the last 22 - and they both went out of service on Blossom Street, turning right to head straight back to the depot as they had no passengers on board. It does seem like it would make more sense to run it from Starbeck, if there's the capacity there. I can't see the 22X or 23X as anything much more than positioning moves – while they could theoretically be useful for commuters, the morning journey is a bit too early and the evening journey is a bit too late - so I don't see there's a lot of merit in running them per se, although obviously if the buses have to run positioning moves then you might as well run them in service and give yourself the chance of picking up the odd fare. Whereas from Starbeck, the journeys that would then start and end in Ripon (instead of with the 23X) would save about 25 miles and 30 minutes at the start and end of the day, and the 1740 from Harrogate might reasonably be cut back to terminate at Green Hammerton instead of running through to York (maybe even start the morning 23 from Green Hammerton), which would save about another 15 miles and 25 minutes each way. That all adds up to a considerable saving in fuel and wages, and I would expect this to easily outweigh any losses from a small number of passengers not travelling. Splitting the route between two depots is just likely to lead to more non-branded buses running it - hard enough to keep on top of things when they are all in the same place! Yes, branding up a fourth bus would be an eminently sensible decision. |
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