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Aug 25, 2017 19:01:53 GMT 1
Post by northrob on Aug 25, 2017 19:01:53 GMT 1
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Utopia
Aug 26, 2017 17:24:42 GMT 1
Post by SCH117X on Aug 26, 2017 17:24:42 GMT 1
NYCC are saying they resolved the three services they subsidise, so are those Connexions running commercial?
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Utopia
Aug 26, 2017 18:02:52 GMT 1
Post by stevieinselby on Aug 26, 2017 18:02:52 GMT 1
NYCC are saying they resolved the three services they subsidise, so are those Connexions running commercial? The 8 and 37 were definitely subsidised. I didn't think the 420 was subsidised – the 42 used to be some time ago, but Arriva ran it commercially for several years (from 2011?), and I had assumed that it remained commercial when Utopia took it over. I don't know whether they were getting any funding to offset additional costs during the bridge closure, although I suspect not as I don't think the temporary timetables used any additional resources. Again, the 492/493 used to be subsidised, but I thought that they had been commercial since Utopia took them over in 2016 – NYCC were proposing to withdraw the subsidy to Arriva and run a skeleton off-peak service using their own minibuses, but then Utopia stepped up to the plate – I had understood that they were not receiving funding for those services, but I could be wrong on that.
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Aug 26, 2017 20:32:27 GMT 1
Post by neukit on Aug 26, 2017 20:32:27 GMT 1
The 492/3/4 were subsidised between Tadcaster and Sherburn, which is why NYCC have only tendered that section. The 420/422 were commercial services, so NYCC didn't tender them.
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Utopia
Aug 26, 2017 21:40:10 GMT 1
Post by SCH117X on Aug 26, 2017 21:40:10 GMT 1
So the 426 is the remnants of a commercial service being operated by NYCC themselves?
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Utopia
Aug 27, 2017 8:57:29 GMT 1
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Post by davopazza on Aug 27, 2017 8:57:29 GMT 1
So the 426 is the remnants of a commercial service being operated by NYCC themselves? Might be cheaper or more economical to do that as opposed to paying a subsidy.
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Aug 29, 2017 22:06:01 GMT 1
Post by neukit on Aug 29, 2017 22:06:01 GMT 1
NYCC have now updated their link, so no expansion of services to Goole!
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Aug 29, 2017 22:46:56 GMT 1
Post by stevieinselby on Aug 29, 2017 22:46:56 GMT 1
But disappointingly, still no news on (a) Sherburn to Pontefract, which looks like it is being abandoned, and (b) plans for Selby—Cawood—York after next week, as the latest timetable on NYCC states that the 426 timetable they have published only runs until the end of this week when Cawood Bridge reopens. I really had hoped that Arriva would step back in for this one.
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Utopia
Aug 30, 2017 8:18:32 GMT 1
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Post by the110 on Aug 30, 2017 8:18:32 GMT 1
Arriva will not touch the 42 unless NYCC put up some cash, they were loosing money on it before.
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Utopia
Aug 30, 2017 12:14:41 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 30, 2017 12:14:41 GMT 1
Arriva will not touch the 42 unless NYCC put up some cash, they were loosing money on it before. Odd that they chose to continue running it commercially when the subsidy ended, even after Dystopia had already registered a replacement service then. But perhaps without the competition from Dystopia, it might be more viable than it was when they were running the 422 alongside.
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Utopia
Aug 30, 2017 17:52:43 GMT 1
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Post by davopazza on Aug 30, 2017 17:52:43 GMT 1
But disappointingly, still no news on (a) Sherburn to Pontefract, which looks like it is being abandoned, and (b) plans for Selby—Cawood—York after next week, as the latest timetable on NYCC states that the 426 timetable they have published only runs until the end of this week when Cawood Bridge reopens. I really had hoped that Arriva would step back in for this one. I wonder if it would be s good move for connexions to replace the 492/493/494 with an extension to the current Harrogate to Tascaster Service as they have already started through fares. Maybe going to try and gauge the demand.
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Utopia
Aug 30, 2017 18:34:32 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 30, 2017 18:34:32 GMT 1
I wonder if it would be s good move for connexions to replace the 492/493/494 with an extension to the current Harrogate to Tascaster Service as they have already started through fares. Maybe going to try and gauge the demand. It could certainly be something to consider. Especially as the 492/3/4 timetable is so tightly scheduled with almost no recovery time, I can imagine that punctuality might be a worry - interworking with the X70 could help to offset that as well as providing new journey opportunities.
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Aug 30, 2017 20:09:56 GMT 1
Post by neukit on Aug 30, 2017 20:09:56 GMT 1
I wonder if it would be s good move for connexions to replace the 492/493/494 with an extension to the current Harrogate to Tascaster Service as they have already started through fares. Maybe going to try and gauge the demand. It could certainly be something to consider. Especially as the 492/3/4 timetable is so tightly scheduled with almost no recovery time, I can imagine that punctuality might be a worry - interworking with the X70 could help to offset that as well as providing new journey opportunities. Adding it on to the X70 would presumably mean having to use a 'big bus', which may not be ideal for the various villages served by the 492/3/4. Not sure what Connexions are using for the new contract, but I'd imagine they'd be aiming to use a Solo. Coastliner have been using a baby Dart on their 8 contract, replaced by the new Solos at Keighley over the weekend.
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Aug 30, 2017 23:53:25 GMT 1
Post by stevieinselby on Aug 30, 2017 23:53:25 GMT 1
It could certainly be something to consider. Especially as the 492/3/4 timetable is so tightly scheduled with almost no recovery time, I can imagine that punctuality might be a worry - interworking with the X70 could help to offset that as well as providing new journey opportunities. Adding it on to the X70 would presumably mean having to use a 'big bus', which may not be ideal for the various villages served by the 492/3/4. Not sure what Connexions are using for the new contract, but I'd imagine they'd be aiming to use a Solo. I can't see there would be a problem using a "big bus" in terms of the roads – Arriva used full-sized Darts and Sandla used Centros in the past, so there's no difficulty in negotiating minor lanes – the question is how much more it would cost to run using a full-sized bus and whether the benefits gained from the through-working offset those extra costs. As the 492/etc is scheduled to serve Sherburn High School on schooldays, I assume there must be a reasonable demand from schoolchildren using the service – although that's not going to give even loadings throughout the day, I wonder if those two journeys alone would be busy enough to rule out a Solo?
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Sept 1, 2017 19:53:57 GMT 1
Post by www.buseireann.ie on Sept 1, 2017 19:53:57 GMT 1
Forgot to mention that I did see a Utopia Solo up Headingley today.
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Utopia
Sept 4, 2017 17:59:41 GMT 1
Post by humberside on Sept 4, 2017 17:59:41 GMT 1
The temporary 426 has been withdrawn. "The replacement service during the closure of Cawood Bridge ceased operating on Saturday 2 September. Currently, no operators have expressed an interest in taking this service over. It was previously operated on a commercial basis without financial support from the council. This service will not operate until further notice." www.northyorks.gov.uk/bus-service-changes-and-news
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Sept 4, 2017 22:44:42 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 4, 2017 22:44:42 GMT 1
The temporary 426 has been withdrawn. "The replacement service during the closure of Cawood Bridge ceased operating on Saturday 2 September. Currently, no operators have expressed an interest in taking this service over. It was previously operated on a commercial basis without financial support from the council. This service will not operate until further notice." www.northyorks.gov.uk/bus-service-changes-and-newsGiven that it was run commercially as an hourly service in the face of competition from Utopia, I find it hard to believe that no-one thinks they can make a go of it on even a 2-hourly basis. Very disappointed in Arriva about this - they had a lot of loyal, regular customers and they have completely abandoned them.
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Sept 5, 2017 6:36:04 GMT 1
Post by www.buseireann.ie on Sept 5, 2017 6:36:04 GMT 1
although I agree that's it's probably not viable compared to a few years ago, would it work if the fares were raised high enough to make a profit from existing loadings? This worked for the 580 which has one AM journey that passes can't be used on and seems to have a few fare paying users during the day.
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Utopia
Sept 6, 2017 7:26:19 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 6, 2017 7:26:19 GMT 1
www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/15516532.Council_steps_in_over_lost_Utopia_bus_routes/NYCC is going to run skeleton services to cover the 42(0) and southern half of the 492/493 from next week, using their own minibus fleet. No mention yet of timetables. Hopefully the 42 will carry passengers between Naburn and York unlike when they ran the 426 last week (I'm struggling to see why they would not want to pick up more passengers and therefore more revenue given that they are running through Naburn anyway!). My biggest concern is capacity. I used to use the 42 back when Arriva ran it (nothing against Utopia, it just happened to coincide with when I moved jobs), and on the 0730 journey from Selby, there were usually ~15 passengers before it reached the edge of Selby and frequently standing passengers by the time it reached Designer Outlet. Similarly, the 1730 from York often had standing passengers, particularly during the summer when people were heading back to Naburn Lock caravan park - and that was full-size Darts. If NYCC are going to run a reduced service with minibuses then I don't know how it will cope!
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Utopia
Sept 6, 2017 9:20:01 GMT 1
Post by gooderson1 on Sept 6, 2017 9:20:01 GMT 1
I visited Skipton a week or so after the closure of Pennine MS. I recall NYCC minibuses parked in the bus station for ages then suddenly spring into service to run a duplicate on a service that NYCC had taken over running when the fostered minibus was full. Usually the duplicate was back in the bus station about 15. minutes later only to park up and wait. It will be interesting to see if this happens on the ex Utopia services that NYCC will run or will intending passengers be left behind when the bus is full.
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Sept 6, 2017 19:37:03 GMT 1
Post by neukit on Sept 6, 2017 19:37:03 GMT 1
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Sept 6, 2017 23:01:31 GMT 1
Post by stevieinselby on Sept 6, 2017 23:01:31 GMT 1
Wow, that is really rubbish – and weekdays only, as well. Only 30 minutes between first arrival into Selby and last departure. At least there is still the 42 between Cawood and Selby giving a couple of journeys in the morning and one back in the afternoon, allowing people to spend more than half an hour in the town. Timetables only registered until the end of October at the moment, so we'll see what happens...
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 7, 2017 11:14:23 GMT 1
Think that's to tie them in with the end of the current temporary contracts on the other services.
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Sept 11, 2017 17:05:31 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 11, 2017 17:05:31 GMT 1
Arriva are now adding a commuter journey from Stillingfleet and Naburn into York and back: www.itravelyork.info/news/new-bus-services-for-naburn. This is part of the 24/25/26 diagrams. Serendipitously, that means they can call the new journeys 26/X26 and it chimes with NYCC's 426. CYC are already warning passengers from Naburn that the minibus might be so full they won't be able to get on (which is an interesting counterpart to "the service is not commercially viable").
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Sept 12, 2017 8:42:17 GMT 1
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 12, 2017 8:42:17 GMT 1
Arriva are now adding a commuter journey from Stillingfleet and Naburn into York and back: www.itravelyork.info/news/new-bus-services-for-naburn. This is part of the 24/25/26 diagrams. Serendipitously, that means they can call the new journeys 26/X26 and it chimes with NYCC's 426. CYC are already warning passengers from Naburn that the minibus might be so full they won't be able to get on (which is an interesting counterpart to "the service is not commercially viable"). Although the timetables on NYCC site are completely different to those on the bus stops produced by iTravel.
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