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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 25, 2016 20:12:28 GMT 1
Years ago there used to be a bus from Keighley to Scarborough numbered 841, I think this called only at Bradford then direct to Stamford Bridge then through various villages to Brid and up to Scarborough. Used to run summer only with one journey each way on weekends. Now I know residents of Bradford and Keighley are most likely to choose Blackpool over Scarborough but with this £15 daytripper ticket does anyone think there would be sufficient demand to resurrect such a service? If stops are limited to Keighley, Bingley, Bradford, Bridlington and Scarborough the whole journey might not take that long, say no longer than 3 hours using the M62 and some of the minor roads up through Beverley towards Brid, or from the M62 the A19 then A64.
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Post by jdodger08 on Feb 25, 2016 21:37:20 GMT 1
Could be a viable route.
But I'd think there would be more demand for a Leeds, Bradford, Bingley, Keighley, Burnley, Blackburn, Preston, Blackpool Route and could possibly be done in 3 hours
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 25, 2016 21:56:49 GMT 1
Years ago there used to be a bus from Keighley to Scarborough numbered 841, I think this called only at Bradford then direct to Stamford Bridge then through various villages to Brid and up to Scarborough. Used to run summer only with one journey each way on weekends. Now I know residents of Bradford and Keighley are most likely to choose Blackpool over Scarborough but with this £15 daytripper ticket does anyone think there would be sufficient demand to resurrect such a service? If stops are limited to Keighley, Bingley, Bradford, Bridlington and Scarborough the whole journey might not take that long, say no longer than 3 hours using the M62 and some of the minor roads up through Beverley towards Brid, or from the M62 the A19 then A64. The Internet™ gives a driving time of about 2 hours from Keighley to Scab, either via A6120 or M606 and then A64, which by bus/coach is going to be longer than that, Going via A614, Brid and the coast parks would add up to an hour on top, so with a few pick up points in West Yorkshire you would be looking at an end-to-end journey time of maybe 3½ hours ... do you really believe there are enough people wanting to travel that far, that cheaply? That would have to be a coach with an onboard toilet rather than a bus for that length of time without a stop. The train does it in 2 hours, and in a lot more comfort. The only people who would catch the bus would be pensioners looking to travel for free, who aren't very profitable anyway, or pretty much no-one if it was run as a coach service that didn't accept ENCTS. And what would you do with the vehicle when it got there? If it's just going to sit idle for four hours before making the return journey (and is that really long enough at the destination to merit spending 6 or 7 hours on the bus? Or are people going to prefer to catch it at 7am and not get home til nightfall?), you've got to carry the entire cost of the vehicle and the driver on one return load of passengers. It just doesn't add up. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Feb 25, 2016 22:04:05 GMT 1
Years ago there used to be a bus from Keighley to Scarborough numbered 841, I think this called only at Bradford then direct to Stamford Bridge then through various villages to Brid and up to Scarborough. Used to run summer only with one journey each way on weekends. Now I know residents of Bradford and Keighley are most likely to choose Blackpool over Scarborough but with this £15 daytripper ticket does anyone think there would be sufficient demand to resurrect such a service? If stops are limited to Keighley, Bingley, Bradford, Bridlington and Scarborough the whole journey might not take that long, say no longer than 3 hours using the M62 and some of the minor roads up through Beverley towards Brid, or from the M62 the A19 then A64. The Internet™ gives a driving time of about 2 hours from Keighley to Scab, either via A6120 or M606 and then A64, which by bus/coach is going to be longer than that, Going via A614, Brid and the coast parks would add up to an hour on top, so with a few pick up points in West Yorkshire you would be looking at an end-to-end journey time of maybe 3½ hours ... do you really believe there are enough people wanting to travel that far, that cheaply? That would have to be a coach with an onboard toilet rather than a bus for that length of time without a stop. The train does it in 2 hours, and in a lot more comfort. The only people who would catch the bus would be pensioners looking to travel for free, who aren't very profitable anyway, or pretty much no-one if it was run as a coach service that didn't accept ENCTS. And what would you do with the vehicle when it got there? If it's just going to sit idle for four hours before making the return journey (and is that really long enough at the destination to merit spending 6 or 7 hours on the bus? Or are people going to prefer to catch it at 7am and not get home til nightfall?), you've got to carry the entire cost of the vehicle and the driver on one return load of passengers. It just doesn't add up. People spend 3 1/2 hours or so on the 840/843/845, so why not the 841. |
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 25, 2016 22:14:22 GMT 1
Years ago there used to be a bus from Keighley to Scarborough numbered 841, I think this called only at Bradford then direct to Stamford Bridge then through various villages to Brid and up to Scarborough. Used to run summer only with one journey each way on weekends. Now I know residents of Bradford and Keighley are most likely to choose Blackpool over Scarborough but with this £15 daytripper ticket does anyone think there would be sufficient demand to resurrect such a service? If stops are limited to Keighley, Bingley, Bradford, Bridlington and Scarborough the whole journey might not take that long, say no longer than 3 hours using the M62 and some of the minor roads up through Beverley towards Brid, or from the M62 the A19 then A64. The Internet™ gives a driving time of about 2 hours from Keighley to Scab, either via A6120 or M606 and then A64, which by bus/coach is going to be longer than that, Going via A614, Brid and the coast parks would add up to an hour on top, so with a few pick up points in West Yorkshire you would be looking at an end-to-end journey time of maybe 3½ hours ... do you really believe there are enough people wanting to travel that far, that cheaply? That would have to be a coach with an onboard toilet rather than a bus for that length of time without a stop. The train does it in 2 hours, and in a lot more comfort. The only people who would catch the bus would be pensioners looking to travel for free, who aren't very profitable anyway, or pretty much no-one if it was run as a coach service that didn't accept ENCTS. And what would you do with the vehicle when it got there? If it's just going to sit idle for four hours before making the return journey (and is that really long enough at the destination to merit spending 6 or 7 hours on the bus? Or are people going to prefer to catch it at 7am and not get home til nightfall?), you've got to carry the entire cost of the vehicle and the driver on one return load of passengers. It just doesn't add up. You do get a lot of fare paying people travelling from Leeds to Scarborough/Whitby on a weekend and journey time is well over 3 hours to Whitby, and around 3 hours to Scarborough. I know there is a toilet stop on route but 2.5 hours should be enough without needing the toilet if you allow passengers 5 mins to visit toilets in Bradford. I wouldn't have it stopping at all from Brid to Scarborough so time stopping at Butlins/caravan/camp sites wouldn't be needed. Walk on train fares from Leeds to Scarborough are a rip off and I know many people like myself who don't like to be tied down to travelling on a specific day, never mind a specific train, that feeling of 'it's nice outside, let's go somewhere' often affects a lot of people during the summer. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 25, 2016 22:39:17 GMT 1
Coastliner does serve lots of markets along the way which is why it is successful, days out in Leeds, days out in York, Malton/Flamingo Land etc, days at the coast, all the villages along the way.
One bus with one flow would only be serving one market, probably not a very big one. Plus you'd have to go through the faff of having tachographs or splitting the route, not to mention a route basically aimed at leisure travellers only would be running empty on rainy days. Coastliner would still have the locals on rainy days.
If anyone introduced a link like this, I think you'd be looking at National Express.
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 25, 2016 23:11:11 GMT 1
People spend 3 1/2 hours or so on the 840/843/845, so why not the 841. Not many people spend 3½ hours on the Coastliner ... sure, a few people do travel all the way from Leeds to the coast, but the majority of passengers are making shorter journeys, which isn't going to be an option on the suggested 841. (And if you're going to Whitby, the Coastliner is not a bad choice ... there is no clear-cut advantage to the train there, unlike this example). The market has changed, and there aren't the numbers of people going to the English seaside on the cheap that there were 30 or 40 years ago. Sure, at one time Keighley could support summer Saturday buses heading off to Skegness, Whitby, Scab, Brid and Filey, plus Scarbados and Morecambe daily ... but that demand just isn't there any more ... especially, as I said, when you have to cover the cost of the bus and the driver for the whole day including several hours of dead time at the other end. |
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Post by angrycommuter on Feb 26, 2016 21:04:41 GMT 1
I travelled to brid from Leeds on the k+d service around 12 years ago. Was on one of the coach seated Leyland ex coastliner deckers in k+d colours. Took forever but was a full load. From memory it went via crossgates rather than seacroft.
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Post by squeaky on Feb 26, 2016 22:21:07 GMT 1
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