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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 1, 2015 22:11:56 GMT 1
First York have posted some changes for 22 November: - 4 will now just run between Acomb and York
- 6 will again run between Clifton Moor and Heslington East
- 10 will have an increased frequency – presumably back up to every 30 minutes
- New X10 service running between Dunnington, York and Askham Bar – no indication of frequency or coverage
- 11 will have additional am and Friday pm journeys
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Post by jc on Oct 2, 2015 18:13:51 GMT 1
It's strange how a number of people, independently of each other, have said that the 6 has gone downhill since the changes and First can't seem to allocate enough buses or running time to the shorter route (as you mentioned in the other thread).
So the apparent solution now is to either truncate the 4 at Station Road, which would inconvenience people in Foxwood more than it does Clifton thanks to proximity of Exhibition Sq to the main shopping area, or add more mileage relative to the current arrangement and have it loop around Tower Street. Thinking outside the box a bit, did the Uni stipulate that the 66 had to run to Nunnery Lane? Could First (or Transdev for that matter) put in a tender for 8 or 9 bph Heslington East-Acomb or First and Transdev put in a joint bid for 12 bph Heslington East-City (maybe following the ub1 route round the campus) with 6bph continuing to Acomb?
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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 2, 2015 22:57:04 GMT 1
I don't know exactly what the university contract specifies, but I suspect that interworking it with the 4 would be operationally difficult.
The 4 seems quite happy with 6bph to Foxwood, which fits with neither the 4bph of the holiday timetable or the 9bph of the term-time timetable. First have tried in the past having some buses running part-route depending on whether it was term-time or holidays in the past and it was a nightmare. They really need a 52-week timetable to Foxwood rather than one that changes during uni holidays, so I don't think interworking is a goer on the current contract arrangements.
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Post by jc on Oct 3, 2015 11:36:01 GMT 1
I was thinking more two separate routes, for argument's sake a 4 to Acomb and a 4A to Nunnery Lane, running a combined 5min frequency from Heslington East during term time, with the short workings stopping during the holiday and supported by extra buses on standby (tagged 'Q-Busters' by First) for when things go pear shaped. The holiday frequency would therefore reduce from 8bph to 6bph and term time from 15bph to 12bph.
Did First run the 4 every 8min Acomb-City then 15min eastwards during the holidays last year or was it 10min throughout? If the holiday timetable this year was an essentially a very expensive advertising campaign for both operators, maybe they would rather see the route split in the City with 6bph westwards and 4bph eastwards. Having the 4 as a through route would save a lot of mileage running up Nunnery Lane over the course of the contract, it just needs First and Transdev to sit down and crunch the numbers together.
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Post by SCH117X on Oct 6, 2015 17:37:16 GMT 1
Transdev have released the details for the extended 1A www.harrogatebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1547Shown as running direct from K'boro Bus Station to St James retail park (not serving the Aspins) then via the A658, A59, A1(M) to B'bridge Morrisons then via Aldborough and B'Bridge town centre to Kirby Hill. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Oct 6, 2015 17:40:25 GMT 1
Transdev have released the details for the extended 1A www.harrogatebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1547Shown as running direct from K'boro Bus Station to St James retail park (not serving the Aspins) then via the A658, A59, A1(M) to B'bridge Morrisons then via Aldborough and B'Bridge town centre to Kirby Hill. The ones terminating at St James will run direct as present, the ones extending to Boroughbridge will run via Aspin. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 6, 2015 20:20:32 GMT 1
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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 6, 2015 20:24:48 GMT 1
Transdev have released the details for the extended 1A www.harrogatebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1547Shown as running direct from K'boro Bus Station to St James retail park (not serving the Aspins) then via the A658, A59, A1(M) to B'bridge Morrisons then via Aldborough and B'Bridge town centre to Kirby Hill. I did wonder whether the non-stop section was to enable the service to by-pass ENCTS, but it's no more than 10 miles so that isn't it. Still seems a bit odd that it's non-stop along the A59 section, when it could reasonably call at Goldthorpe lane end and Flaxby lane end. This route is only a minute or two quicker between Boroughbridge and Knaresborough, so it's hard to see why they are running it non-stop on a longer route, instead of serving a number of villages that are only served by the 57. Is there any news on whether NYCC are planning to change the 57 as a result of the 1A extension, or will it just run through to the April 2016 change? |
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Post by SCH117X on Oct 7, 2015 19:18:30 GMT 1
Goldsborough Stevie not Goldthorpe. What will be interesting is whether Harrogate bound journeys will stop on the opposite side of the road to St James or adopt the shuffling about Connexions do with 780s, possibly if they use Versas on it they might just manage a U turn.
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Post by northrob on Oct 8, 2015 18:14:53 GMT 1
www.firstgroup.com/york/news-and-service-updates/press-media/customer-feedback-drives-service-changesFirst York has today announced an improvement package of bus service changes from 22 November driven by feedback from customers, staff and local discussions with City of York Council. The changes include: Revised service 1 timetable to improve reliability Service 4 operating between Acomb and York only (Osbaldwick & University now covered by service 6) with new timetable to improve reliability Service 6 returning to the previous route serving the University of York and the Hospital Revised 'clockface' timetable on service 10 New early journeys from Bishopthorpe & Dunnington First York has undertaken a review of service changes introduced in August taking into account comments from customers, staff and local discussions with transport colleagues at City of York Council. As part of that review First York has also considered performance data on the network to improve reliability where required. As a result of that focus Service 1 (Chapel fields - Wigginton) will operate with a revised timetable to improve reliability with a frequency of 5 buses per hour between peak times Monday – Friday. The changes from 22 November also include service 4 (to run between Acomb and York) and service 6 (to run between Clifton Moor, Osbaldwick & the University). Service 4 will run as the current route from Acomb to Rougier Street, then via Micklegate, Skeldergate, Skeldergate Bridge, and Tower Street to Clifford Street. Clifford Street will be the starting point for all Acomb bound services, operating via Nessgate, Ouse Bridge, then as current 4 route to Acomb. The service will operate every 10 minutes during the day Monday – Saturday, every 20 minutes on a Sunday, and every 30 minutes on an evening. Service 6 will run as the current route from Clifton Moor to Theatre Royal and then continue via Lendal Bridge, Rougier Street to Osbaldwick, Tang Hall and University via the current 4 route. The service will operate every 15 minutes during the day Monday – Saturday, every 30 minutes on a Sunday, and every 30 minutes on an evening. A new timetable will be introduced on service 10 with services operating at a 'clock-face' every 30 minutes between 9am and 3pm. Also due to customer demand the service will call via Battleflats Way on journeys heading into York. Councillor Ian Gillies, Executive Member of Transport and Planning at City of York Council has welcomed the changes saying, “I’m very pleased to see that First York has listened to customers. Having met with First last week to discuss some of the concerns I’ve received, I welcome these changes. Buses play a vital role connecting communities and I’m sure these improvements will be much appreciated by residents.” As part of the changes First York will also be introducing a number of additional early morning journeys that have been provided with Better Bus Area Funding. A new X10 Monday to Friday journey from Dunnington will depart at 0735 to Askham Bar. The journey will operate as the normal 10 route to Rougier Street, then via Railway Station, Tadcaster Road, to Askham Bar (Tesco) and will provide additional capacity for both Dunnington customers and York College students and staff. An additional service 11 journey has also been introduced from Bishopthorpe at 0633 via Cameron Grove at 0647 and arriving at York Railway Station at 0700. Will Pearson, business manager for First York added, “The changes we are introducing on 22 November are largely as a result of feedback from customers, staff and our partners at City of York Council including the revised service 6 link to the hospital. Many of the recent August changes we introduced were very well received and in cases where our customers have told us we needed to make further improvements we've been happy to do so. We welcome feedback from customers so we can continue attracting customers onto our great value York bus network."
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Post by stevieinselby on Oct 8, 2015 21:11:11 GMT 1
You've got to admire their chutzpah if nothing else, for touting a reduction in frequency as an "improvement". The 1 has run every 10 minutes during the daytime, right back to Metroisation in 2001, and the 6 has run at least every 12 minutes and usually every 10 minutes for almost as long - they are reducing the service level to the lowest it has been in 12 years ar more but claiming it as better for passengers. Beam me up, Scotty...
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 8, 2015 21:44:03 GMT 1
Throwing so many buses at the uni routes that they had to make cuts elsewhere, notably the every 35 mins fiasco on the 10. Now that has been proven unworkable, they have to reduce the PVR elsewhere.
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Post by jc on Oct 9, 2015 19:24:48 GMT 1
Throwing so many buses at the uni routes that they had to make cuts elsewhere, notably the every 35 mins fiasco on the 10. Now that has been proven unworkable, they have to reduce the PVR elsewhere. What's the issue, a shortage of drivers, buses or depot space? It's ironic that in the summer they were blaming poor passenger figures on the service 5 & 10 reduction yet now we've got the 6 dropping from 6 to 4 buses an hour out of the blue. Did anyone get to the 'bus surgery' at Parliament Street yesterday? I had work commitments, as I'm sure did many others. The timing of the Press release was probably to coincide with that. |
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 8, 2015 18:16:39 GMT 1
Tweet implying change of 57 operator from HCT to York Pullman(?)
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Nov 8, 2015 19:54:06 GMT 1
Tweet implying change of 57 operator from HCT to York Pullman(?) Again, temporarily. Hopefully things will get back to normal in the next week or two. |
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 11, 2015 14:33:06 GMT 1
PB1081341/41 - YORK PULLMAN BUS COMPANY LTD, FOREST HILL FARM, POTTERY LANE, STRENSALL, YORK, YO32 5TW
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Harrogate Bus Station
Finish Point: Roecliffe
Via:
Service Number: 57
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 09-NOV-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
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Post by SCH117X on Nov 11, 2015 14:34:24 GMT 1
PB1010181/118 - STEPHENSON'S OF EASINGWOLD LTD, UNIT 16, MOOR LANE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, THOLTHORPE, YORK, YO61 1SR
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Helmsley and York given service number 31X/31 effective from 03-Nov-2015. To amend Route.
PB1010181/117 - STEPHENSON'S OF EASINGWOLD LTD, UNIT 16, MOOR LANE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, THOLTHORPE, YORK, YO61 1SR
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Easingwold and York given service number 29 effective from 03-Nov-2015. To amend Route.
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