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Post by SCH117X on Mar 18, 2015 19:30:49 GMT 1
Excluding Dalesbus
59 Askrigg - Leyburn Arriva North East 09 May 2015 replaced by Service 156 operating school days only with effect from 11 May 2015
X59 Leyburn - Darlington Arriva North East 09 May 2015 replaced by Service 610R operating school days only with effect from 11 May 2015
4 Harrogate - Harrogate Hospital Transdev (Harrogate & District Travel)10 May 2015 Introduction of Monday to Friday service operating via Mowbray Health Centre half hourly 1300hrs to 1600hrs and direct from 1800hrs to 2000hrs
5 Harrogate - Pannal Ash Transdev (Harrogate & District Travel) 10 May 2015 Introduction of Monday to Friday service operating via Leeds Road, Harrogate Hospital and Mowbray Health Centre. Two morning journeys
6 Harrogate - Pannal Ash Transdev (Harrogate & District Travel) 10May 2015 New timetable frequency of services is increased from every 40mins to every 30mins during the main part of the day Monday to Saturday, Sunday timetable unchanged.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 19, 2015 11:31:31 GMT 1
Also from May (date yet to be confirmed) the 580 will be increased to run hourly Mon to Sat, this level of service is by far the best it's been in years, 7 days a week (new Sunday service as part of Dalesbus with a Sunday 581 as well), hourly Mon to Sat, I can truly see it getting even better with perhaps a half hourly service? Now if only Pennine and NYCC had the vision to see it's potential.
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Post by gooderson1 on Mar 19, 2015 13:12:19 GMT 1
Are these enhancements a commercial by the operator or with a council subsidy. If it is a subsidy from NYCC I wonder where the money has been found when it was not available around this time last year when Pennine announced it's closure.
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 19, 2015 17:09:18 GMT 1
Are these enhancements a commercial by the operator or with a council subsidy. If it is a subsidy from NYCC I wonder where the money has been found when it was not available around this time last year when Pennine announced it's closure. The 580 part of the Monday to Saturday service and the whole of the Sunday service are being run commercially. The 581 is still subsidised Monday to Saturday. Not sure what impact this change would have, because NYCC will no longer subsidise a route to run any more than every 2 hours, so it may be that if KLCH are looking to run hourly then it could become entirely commercial. Well done to KLCH for showing the vision and putting in a bit of investment, something that Pennine were sorely lacking. Next step - take over the 567 and run buses from Skipton right through to Kendal :-) |
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Post by rwilkes on Mar 19, 2015 23:55:51 GMT 1
I hope you will all take a ride on the 580 sometimes. Lovely scenery and a few real ale puns en route. It needs visitors as well as locals if it is to succeed.
Fiends of Dalesbus will support it but your support will help too. Tell people.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 27, 2015 18:45:02 GMT 1
Talking about dalesbus, can I ask if anybody knows why the 800 has been split into 3 services with very different numbers? I suspect the split is due to tacho/EU crappy regs but why haven't they kept the numbers in a similar way to northern dalesman or eastern dalesman numbers? Why couldn't they use 800, 801 and 802 branding them Hawes connection to signify that they are in reality through routes? Bet a lot of ordinary users won't know unless examining timetables carefully.
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Post by gooderson1 on Mar 28, 2015 7:53:29 GMT 1
Is this a totally new service 800 as the on line edition of WY Metro service changes for the end of April States that service 800 will not operate this year and gives 3 alternate routes
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Mar 28, 2015 8:14:40 GMT 1
Is this a totally new service 800 as the on line edition of WY Metro service changes for the end of April States that service 800 will not operate this year and gives 3 alternate routes The way I read it, the Tiger 800 is gone, replaced by Arriva 871 / 874 / 857, so not really a split as such, but additional journeys on the existing 3 routes. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Mar 28, 2015 10:02:16 GMT 1
Talking about dalesbus, can I ask if anybody knows why the 800 has been split into 3 services with very different numbers? I suspect the split is due to tacho/EU crappy regs but why haven't they kept the numbers in a similar way to northern dalesman or eastern dalesman numbers? Why couldn't they use 800, 801 and 802 branding them Hawes connection to signify that they are in reality through routes? Bet a lot of ordinary users won't know unless examining timetables carefully. Because it appears that its being re routed via existing services, and using those numbers. |
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 28, 2015 17:04:53 GMT 1
There used to be 3 journeys dales bound from Leeds, 2 870 into 874 combo's and 1 800. Now there is 1 870 into 874 journey and this irritating 3 way split of the 800. The 800 hasn't been replaced by extra journeys on existing routes, it's been stupidly split and numbered into 3 different numbers with no obvious relation to each other. Wish dalesbus would rebel and tell the eu where to go with it's crap rules.
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Post by gooderson1 on Mar 28, 2015 18:15:40 GMT 1
I think what you call "crap rules" are designed to stop employers exploiting drivers. Surf the Internet and see how many employers have been dealt with for hours offences. The latest is a director of Snailths in Northumberland who changed her/his plea during their trial. Would you really fancy sitting on a bus being driven by a driver who had worked all hours without regulation. I think not.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Mar 28, 2015 21:42:19 GMT 1
I think what you call "crap rules" are designed to stop employers exploiting drivers. Surf the Internet and see how many employers have been dealt with for hours offences. The latest is a director of Snailths in Northumberland who changed her/his plea during their trial. Would you really fancy sitting on a bus being driven by a driver who had worked all hours without regulation. I think not. It's got nothing to do with exploitation of drivers as there would remain the normal domestic drivers hours that most bus drivers work under for normal driving duties, it is a question of whether it is appropriate to take driving hours regs designed for international lorry drivers to stop them driving without a break all day on motorways and apply them to rural local bus services where there are many break opportunities & change in activity. Why is it apparently more dangerous to drive from Leeds to Scarborough than it is to drive from Leeds to Ripon? (that is the only justification for applying different rules for one compared to the other). The problem is the UK government didn't grasp there was an issue and the EU had little concept of comparatively high frequency (hourly or better) long distance rural bus services as they don't really exist in any sort of similar form to the UK rural bus routes in Continental Europe. It would be more logical to have it so that all bus services registered for their entire length as local bus services & satisfying all such criteria (timing points no more than 15-mins apart with stops no more than 15-miles apart etc) to be operated under domestic driving hours rather than EU hours. The big issue over EU hours is not actually the driving time regs (many of these services ran under these rules for many years quite happily) but the newer requirement making it mandatory for tachos to be fitted, these are expensive to fit & maintain & with newer vehicles would require a digital tacho which are even more complicated & expensive particularly if your vehicle spends most of its time on non-tacho work (added to which with a digital tacho, once a driver has got a digicard for that tacho he must carry the card at all times even if they have never actually used the card before and to not do so is a criminal offence). The Snaiths case is actually not a good case to cite since the company & staff were cleared of almost every charge with one of the directors pleading guilty to perverting the course of justice (due to replacing 4 lost tachograph charts using information held in the office) having been cleared of all charges of conspiracy to breach drivers hours & falsify tachograph records. |
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 30, 2015 21:02:08 GMT 1
Transdev have published the 4 5 6 times www.harrogatebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1392Looks like one (electric?) vehicle working will be X6s 0710-0852 5s 0900-1218 4s 1250-1541 X6s 1610-1750 4s 1800-2018 The 6 is now timed to do a daytime off peak return trip in 30 minutes which at a new 30 minute frequency must mean extending the interworking of the 2A, 2B, 3. Its timed 5 mins in front of Connexions x6 /x6A. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 30, 2015 21:45:40 GMT 1
I really don't understand the 4 ... why is such a frequent service is needed in the mid afternoon and early evening, but nothing at all for the rest of the day? |
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Post by deerfold on May 1, 2015 10:23:35 GMT 1
I really don't understand the 4 ... why is such a frequent service is needed in the mid afternoon and early evening, but nothing at all for the rest of the day? Certainly an oddity. |
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Post by davopazza on May 1, 2015 16:57:58 GMT 1
I really don't understand the 4 ... why is such a frequent service is needed in the mid afternoon and early evening, but nothing at all for the rest of the day? Certainly an oddity. Maybe to co-inside with hospital visiting hours. There was a similar thing serving the Mid Yorkshire Hospitals although it was only hourly. |
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Post by SCH117X on May 1, 2015 18:07:19 GMT 1
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Post by jc on May 2, 2015 11:26:21 GMT 1
On Mon, Wed & Fri, arrivals at Harrogate station from the Leadhall Lane area will be at 0930 (5), 1039 (110), 1048 (5) & 1239 (110), with departures at 0950 (5), 1150 (5), 1245 (110), 1345 (110).
The timing points don't match, and you'd need to be willing/have no choice but to spend 20 minutes on the bus with a detour round the hospital. It's also worth noting the 1039 and 1048 arrivals will be following each other up Leadhall Lane at approx 1025.
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Post by SCH117X on May 2, 2015 12:46:35 GMT 1
The 110 being NYCC operated as cheaply as possible does not use the bus station, stops on the A61 nearby if you are in the know of where to wait. The route of the 5 does seem a bit too loopy and the right turn off the end of Oatlands Drive will potentially be time consuming, and frustrating to left turning vehicles stuck behind. Maybe it was thought up with by the same person responsible for the short lived 8 a few years back between the Hospital and Starbeck.
Suspect the 6 will replace the 2A in the interworking with the 3 with the 2A getting a dedicated vehicle.
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Post by SCH117X on May 21, 2015 22:02:26 GMT 1
Needless to say Connexions are squealing all over their twitter account about the improved 6; Transdev being a bully running 5 mins in front of them, they seem to forget they started the bus war in Harrogate by running 5 mins in front of the 770.
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Post by stevieinselby on May 22, 2015 23:33:28 GMT 1
Needless to say Connexions are squealing all over their twitter account about the improved 6; Transdev being a bully running 5 mins in front of them, they seem to forget they started the bus war in Harrogate by running 5 mins in front of the 770. I can only see two tweets from them about it – hardly a gross overreaction or "squealing all over their twitter account"! To be fair, the timings on the X70 were chosen to tie in with the pre-existing 412/413 timetable between Wetherby and York – so that when they started running it as a through service from Harrogate to York, they could do it without changing the times of buses between Wetherby and York, either theirs or Eddie's. I don't think the times were deliberately set to be 5 minutes ahead of the 770, that's just the way it came out. While Connexions have certainly taken up an aggressively competitive line at times, speaking as a disinterested party with no axe to grind either way it does seem that Transdev have been the bigger bully on many occasions. Connexions did subsequently try to get the X70 spaced more evenly with the 770, but Transdev responded by changing their times to be just ahead, on some flimsy and nonsensical pretext about improving reliability. Transdev have improved the 1/a/b/c and 36, but the majority of their other commercial routes have declined over recent years (the 2A went 12 > 20 > 30, the 3 went 12 > 15, the 6 went 20 > 30 > 40 and suffered a much shortened route), and many of their subsidised routes withered on the vine. Connexions have launched new commercial services at improved frequencies compared with the subsidised services that went before, and have maintained services in the face of falling subsidy better than many larger operators. If some slightly aggressive competition is the price that we pay for seeing those improved service and a reduced draw on the public purse then that seems like a fair trade-off to me. No, it's not all one side one way, or the other. Both companies have done some good things, and some that they should possibly be less proud of. We get that you don't like Connexions, but there's no need to be continually badmouthing them at every opportunity – you need to accept that they are not the spawn of the devil, they are not out to destroy Transdev, but they are trying to make a living and co-exist alongside Transdev while running some services that Transdev couldn't be bothered to run because they weren't profitable enough for them. |
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Post by SCH117X on May 23, 2015 21:09:39 GMT 1
Blazefield oversupplied; they issued a customer news noting that they acknowledged passengers did not like sitting next to strangers.
Expect a number of changes in the next year or so with new housing developments / town east of Knaresborough (extended 1A running bi directional through the Aspins?), around the north west part of the Harrogate and the villages in that direction. The 3 is already expected to be changed into separate services running together at a 10 minute frequency and possibly the 24 will need to be reviewed. The Tesco superstore, if ever built, is to require an extended 2B into the north west part of the town. There are also housing proposals to the west (extended 6 or additional )
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Post by pub146g on May 23, 2015 23:55:43 GMT 1
Sitting next to Strangers? What nonsense! People have been catching buses for decades and just sitting down and getting on with it!
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Post by SCH117X on May 24, 2015 12:40:08 GMT 1
Maybe but thats what they said. Later, just before selling to Transdev, they did issue a Customer News saying they were looking at reducing expenses and most of the cuts attributed to Transdev are possibly a result of that.
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