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Post by davopazza on Feb 15, 2015 7:13:47 GMT 1
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Post by gooderson1 on Feb 15, 2015 10:40:11 GMT 1
There was an article about the conversion in a recent edition of Rail magazine. It is intended to remove everything from the units and give them a full internal refurbishment. New seats, facia, floors etc. Ford diesel engines would then be fitted. From the photos in the magazine completely new styled cab and front ends would be fitted. It would appear that the only way to recognise them as ex LUL stock is a sideways look as the bodies and sliding doors will remain. All the stock currently meet the necessary requirements to run on Network Rail as the operate of potions of the underground controlled by NR such as the line out to Richmond
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Post by davopazza on Feb 15, 2015 12:15:59 GMT 1
There is further information on the vivarail website: www.vivarail.co.ukSeems like these are going to be known as the D-Train and can be configured internally based on operator requirements. |
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Feb 15, 2015 15:10:46 GMT 1
Could be seen as a good alternative to the norths rail overcrowding and capacity. To really wait for the North to either upgrade lines to overhead wiring or new rolling stock could be 10 plus years before that happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:49:44 GMT 1
If they get away with sending the north more cast-offs and recycled stuff it's all we'll ever get. Time to insist on a better deal in terms of infrastructure and rolling stock, if you ask me.
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Post by gooderson1 on Feb 16, 2015 18:32:37 GMT 1
The Pacers will not meet disability requirements in 2020. I may be open to correction but I believe a notice of interest must be placed on the official journal of the EEC. Train builders then express interest in supplying rolling stock. When this is done the builders submit tenders which need to be approved. If this takes 18/24 months to complete before a single carriage is built then that makes it Feb/Mar 2017. Stock then has to be built and deliveried. Acceptance trials are required with a minimum amount of mileage before entering revenue earning service. Given to usual delays with the Dept of Transport it is unlikely that new trains would be delivered in time date in 2020 when the Pavers would be deemed illegal and could not operate. I think I read somewhere that upgrading a Pacer would cost more per unit that buying an upgraded D stock underground train. Hopefully it would only be a case of using them for 5/6 years until new stock is delivered. It that or no trains at all if the Pacers can't operate after 2020.
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Post by Burnside on Feb 17, 2015 1:06:29 GMT 1
Porterbrook have a 2 car 144 undergoing an £800k refurb to make it DDA compliant and should be released back into traffic in the coming weeks.
However, i am led to believe that a Pacer could also be made DDA compliant simply be removing the toilet!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 16:30:07 GMT 1
...when the Pavers (sic) would be deemed illegal and could not operate. ... It that or no trains at all if the Pacers can't operate after 2020. I'll watch on that day. I bet Pacers operate somewhere with some sort of exemption if the government feels that will save some cash. Oh, and I'll wager £5 that no one will be arrested for operating 'illegal' trains!  |
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Post by chrisboy96 on Feb 17, 2015 19:38:14 GMT 1
The process it takes to get a new train is ridiculous, gone are the days of going to the engineering team, ie, BREL, working with them and designing a train that can work for years.
So much white paper is involved, all a power hype for people who aren't railway people.
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Post by chef on Feb 17, 2015 23:43:14 GMT 1
Papers are compliant if attached to a train that is.
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Post by biroguy on Feb 18, 2015 0:32:55 GMT 1
The prospect of travelling on old underground stock across Yorkshire isn`t a nice one, 15 mph slower than a Pacer and imagine the draughts in winter with all those doors open in each carriage. Not a good prospect, They should be sent to the scrapyard. Look what happened on the Isle of Wight where "Stop-gap" tube stock from London is still running today and dates back to 1938!
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 18, 2015 7:52:18 GMT 1
There could be an upside to this proposal, spares should be readily available just over the southern boarder at Booths scrap yard in the centre of Rotherham............................ www.cfbooth.com/Rolling-Stock/We are proud to be playing a major role in supporting the UK National Rail Industry in their efforts to upgrade the rail network. We are also very proud to provide a valuable service to railway enthusiasts and preservationists throughout the UK as they continue to restore rolling stock vehicles to their former glory for future generations to enjoy. |
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 19, 2015 18:51:35 GMT 1
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Post by guyarab on Feb 19, 2015 22:05:57 GMT 1
There was a feature on BBC Look North this evening about them (possibly) being used in Yorkshire. There probably will be a shortened report on the next transmission after the Ten o'clock News tonight.
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 20, 2015 20:43:54 GMT 1
I would have thought, maybe a better idea to trial these "D-Trains" initially on the branch lines that Pacer's currently operate on. For example the Huddersfield-Sheffield (Penistone line). I don't think it would be a good idea just to throw them straight into service on the Greater Manchester mainline services without a period of trialling/proving first. Whilst the idea of replacing Pacer's with "D-Trains" might look good on paper, it's really just a stop-gap or quick fix solution. The real solution lies with whichever government gains power in May, to come up with a suitable investment for new trains in the North, without compromising the tax-payer too much.
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 21, 2015 17:41:54 GMT 1
Seems to a lot of misinformation floating around about these, basically they are being stripped down to the bodyshell and rebuilt with new front ends using the existing bogies, which are only 10 years old, and traction motors. Quite how the passenger accommodation will turn out would be upto the TOC, it may involve retaining all doors or just two with the rest panelled up to make windows. Nothing is that unusual if you back through the history of rolling stock development; when bogie coaches first appeared the bodies of old 4 wheel were often reused, two or more butted together on the new chassis. In this case the correct question over the project is asked in the Modern Railways article that is linked to on the vivarail website, that being whether the Ford engines will be upto the task. As to the speed issue the claim is that these will accellerate quicker and therefore whilst the top speed may be slower it is the point to point times that critical. Given that the people involved in vivarail are well respected in the rail industry best to wait and see what emerges.
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Post by guyarab on Feb 22, 2015 10:06:56 GMT 1
I would have thought, maybe a better idea to trial these "D-Trains" initially on the branch lines that Pacer's currently operate on. For example the Huddersfield-Sheffield (Penistone line). I don't think it would be a good idea just to throw them straight into service on the Greater Manchester mainline services without a period of trialling/proving first. Whilst the idea of replacing Pacer's with "D-Trains" might look good on paper, it's really just a stop-gap or quick fix solution. The real solution lies with whichever government gains power in May, to come up with a suitable investment for new trains in the North, without compromising the tax-payer too much. On watching the report on Look North I took it to mean that they will replace Pacers on the Penistone and Harrogate lines. I also think it mentioned that the Manchester-York line will be electrified in the next two years! That will happen , won't it??? |
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