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Post by gooderson1 on Feb 10, 2015 9:36:18 GMT 1
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Post by jc on Feb 10, 2015 20:20:01 GMT 1
One of the comments on there by 'Dennis.dart' reads "Plan to axe the 5 service terminating at city centre ( like it used to run years ago). This is isolate Leeman rd totally leaving only reliance serving leeman rd." I've no idea of the validity but that would presumably involve the 1 reverting back to it's original route round Danebury Drive/Beckfield Lane. The only other thing I can of that First haven't tried in Acomb over the past few years would involve tying the current 1 and 5 (via Beckfield Lane) together at Chapelfields to form a loop, maybe run every 20 or 30 minutes in either direction with a 1A and/or 13A terminating on Danebury Drive.
There's also a piece in a local Lib Dem newsletter about their 'Bus Campaign': "The [Council] Officer said that unfortunately it may not be possible to get the new bus stops on the [No 2] Park and Ride but if the number of customers continue to rise on the number 19 service, the local service for residents of Rawcliffe and Clifton Without, there might be the possibility for this service to go from hourly to half hourly." To be fair it is already half hourly during the morning, and there are local elections round the corner!
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 10, 2015 22:25:14 GMT 1
It strikes me as pretty stupid from First to go public and say "We're thinking about cutting services back, please complete our consultation", when there is NO proper information about what the proposed cuts entail, and not asking anything remotely relevant in the consultation that will help them to determine the impact of any cuts.
I can understand that some of the core services may need to be reduced slightly – even if they are reined back to every 15 minutes, that's not a bad service, and probably a better fit given the number of people using them in the daytime, although it will be disappointing if that is what happens.
It would be a great shame if the 5 is cut back to City Centre—Strensall only, given that it's only 3½ years since they introduced the 15-minute service to Acomb via Leeman Road, and only 1½ years since they told the council to get rid of the subsidised service running parallel to it. Maybe they could go back to the previous plan of having a half-hourly service to Acomb, but this time keeping it running via Leeman Road, with other buses terminating in the city centre.
Surprising that there is any scope for cut backs on the 12 and 13, I wouldn't have thought either route would cope well with only 1 bus an hour (except the Copmanthorpe and Holly Bank branches, obviously) ... especially if the main routes to Acomb, Haxby and Huntington are being reduced as well.
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Post by humberside on Feb 11, 2015 19:24:42 GMT 1
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Post by gooderson1 on Feb 11, 2015 21:28:05 GMT 1
Look at the York area. The First operation appears to be an isolated unit within the First empire surrounded by East Yorkshire, Arriva and Transdev along with a number of independents. I wonder wether the consultation will end with a decision to pull out completely following a sale to another operator as happened in London and the Edinburgh area a couple of years ago
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 12, 2015 1:36:30 GMT 1
Look at the York area. The First operation appears to be an isolated unit within the First empire surrounded by East Yorkshire, Arriva and Transdev along with a number of independents. I wonder wether the consultation will end with a decision to pull out completely following a sale to another operator as happened in London and the Edinburgh area a couple of years ago No chance. The P&R in York is a very lucrative contract, which is why they have fought so hard to keep it. The core routes are profitable. They have invested in the fleet over recent years, and although it still needs a bit more money put into it over the next few years it's not in bad shape at all. Why does it matter that it isn't continuously joined to other First networks? First run nearly 75% of all buses in York (based on their 94 departures per hour from the city centre), followed by Transdev on 13% and Arriva on 7%. The others are very minor players. If you look at just the suburban network, discounting interurban services, then it rises to nearly 90%. That's the opposite of the case in Edinburgh, where they were being progressively squeezed out by Lothian – while they may have lost market share slightly over the years, they are still very much the dominant operator in York and they would be mad to sell it. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 13, 2015 23:33:16 GMT 1
I called in to the consultation meeting today and spoke to a couple of the guys from First York, and it seems like the newspaper has put two and two together and made Mt Snowdon. First are not, at this stage at least, proposing any particular changes or reductions. They are a little concerned about a few services, particularly in the Acomb area, and are looking to review what people want from the services so that they can try to make the buses more attractive and bolster passenger numbers. Sure, in the longer term if they can't grow the ridership at all then it may mean minor reductions in service, but that isn't on the cards at the moment.
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