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Post by kommie123 on Jan 6, 2015 10:14:37 GMT 1
Am I right in understanding the following:
268 Bradford to Wakefield new service
(Every 10 mins to Dewsbury and every 20 to Wakefield)
Then hourly in evenings and Sundays.
253/254 terminating at Dewsbury.
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Post by andyk4050 on Jan 6, 2015 12:15:41 GMT 1
Yes and Arriva 278 terminating at Dewsbury also
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Post by rwilkes on Jan 6, 2015 13:08:58 GMT 1
What happens to the rest of 253, 254, 278. Freestanding or scrapped?
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 6, 2015 14:00:11 GMT 1
Good job. You cover your commercial needs with the needs of the passengers. An hourly Sunday service to wakey will do well from clec
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 6, 2015 17:08:41 GMT 1
What happens to the rest of 253, 254, 278. Freestanding or scrapped? They will be freestanding, alternate workings on the 254 already stop short in Dewsbury. The 253/278 inter working could continue although they might be looking to improve reliability at Dewsbury for one or both of the 253 and 278 |
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Post by whereami on Jan 19, 2015 16:37:31 GMT 1
I understand, that from Saturday, the 253 & 278 will be linked together along with a 283.
eg: Starting in Halifax, 278 Halifax-Dewsbury/253 Dewsbury-Bradford/283 Bradford-Thronhill, Thornhill-Bradford/253 Bradford-Dewsbury/278 Dewsbury-Halifax
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Post by whereami on Jan 19, 2015 16:43:17 GMT 1
The Full workings of 268 will be as follows:
Monday - Friday: every 10 mins Bradford - Dewsbury, every 20 mins extended to Wakefield
Saturdays: every 15 mins Bradford - Wakefield
Sundays & Evenings: Hourly, Bradford - Wakefield, but every 30 mins Cleckheaton - Wakefield
The 254 on arrival at Leeds will change onto 255's
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 19, 2015 17:27:48 GMT 1
The new 254/255 timetable on wymetro looks quite odd, in fact it looks wrong.
Scholes 255 and Halifax 255 journeys have different running times.
255's have one minute turn around times at Halifax?
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Post by whereami on Jan 19, 2015 17:50:01 GMT 1
Extra time been put into the Mon-Fri 255 Halifax, there's a misprint on the timetable, it's got 5 minute turn around at Halifax, not 1 minute, Saturdays still have 15 minutes turn around
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 19, 2015 18:13:47 GMT 1
I understand, that from Saturday, the 253 & 278 will be linked together along with a 283. eg: Starting in Halifax, 278 Halifax-Dewsbury/253 Dewsbury-Bradford/283 Bradford-Thronhill, Thornhill-Bradford/253 Bradford-Dewsbury/278 Dewsbury-Halifax If the 253 and one of the 283 don't interwork at Bradford the 253 will have almost one hour waiting time at Bradford, so more Pulsars on the 253/278 or a mix with more Enviros on 281/2/3 or even more of a free for all |
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 19, 2015 18:17:42 GMT 1
The new 254/255 timetable on wymetro looks quite odd, in fact it looks wrong. Scholes 255 and Halifax 255 journeys have different running times. 255's have one minute turn around times at Halifax? It looks like there will still be a requirement of 12 buses Mon-Fri on 254/255 so no savings on withdrawing the Dewsbury - Wakefield section of the 254 just the additional requirement for the 268 extension. |
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Post by guyarab on Jan 24, 2015 15:36:23 GMT 1
Arriva has implemented the letter suffix to the 268, it is showing on the buses. Nobody with whom I have spoken, seems to know what it is for. To operators (and most enthusiasts) a letter suffix to a route number denotes a deviation from a route, not an extension to it!
The buses seen have simply shown 268A Wakefield, without intermediate stops. The display screen in Dewsbury bus station (thankfully) makes no mention of 268A and stand 7 makes not mention of the route at all.
Timetables did not arrive into the booking office until this morning and all were consumed immediately, with the exception of booklets for routes 209/19/29 and 225/52/54/55/X25. Not really an auspicious start is it!
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Post by angrycommuter on Jan 24, 2015 17:12:49 GMT 1
I saw a 268 to wakey this morning with a teeny tiny number on the destination next to Wakefield. Just looked odd, although not sure if it had the A suffix.
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Post by guyarab on Jan 24, 2015 18:15:04 GMT 1
Arriva seems to be in a "right pickle" over this change. Some buses can show 268A in the number box, but only the ultimate destination, whilst others have tiny details in the destination box including intermediate details. Very messy!
Newly transferred Geminis 1519 and 1521 are in full MAX livery showing Bradford, Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Wakefield branding. 1521 shows 268A in the number box and the destination in that box, with 1519 being just the opposite in having nothing in the number box and everything else carried in the destination box.They both carry extra branding for route 110 in the top side rear windows!!! No bus I have seen carries destination details at the side or rear.
The Enviros on the route have mixture of those destination details, but not the extra branding details.
I would have thought the Enviros would stay on the original section of the route, with the Geminis doing the full run.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jan 24, 2015 19:59:29 GMT 1
Arriva seems to be in a "right pickle" over this change. Some buses can show 268A in the number box, but only the ultimate destination, whilst others have tiny details in the destination box including intermediate details. Very messy! Newly transferred Geminis 1519 and 1521 are in full MAX livery showing Bradford, Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Wakefield branding. 1519 shows 268A in the number box and the destination in that box, with 1521 being just the opposite in having nothing in the number box and everything else carried in the destination box.They both carry extra branding for route 110 in the top side rear windows!!! No bus I have seen carries destination details at the side or rear. The Enviros on the route have mixture of those destination details, but not the extra branding details. I would have thought the Enviros would stay on the original section of the route, with the Geminis doing the full run. on Saturdays & Sunday's all buses go to Wakefield. |
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Post by guyarab on Jan 24, 2015 20:22:36 GMT 1
Arriva seems to be in a "right pickle" over this change. Some buses can show 268A in the number box, but only the ultimate destination, whilst others have tiny details in the destination box including intermediate details. Very messy! Newly transferred Geminis 1519 and 1521 are in full MAX livery showing Bradford, Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Wakefield branding. 1521 shows 268A in the number box and the destination in that box, with 1519 being just the opposite in having nothing in the number box and everything else carried in the destination box.They both carry extra branding for route 110 in the top side rear windows!!! No bus I have seen carries destination details at the side or rear. The Enviros on the route have mixture of those destination details, but not the extra branding details. I would have thought the Enviros would stay on the original section of the route, with the Geminis doing the full run. on Saturdays & Sunday's all buses go to Wakefield. Yes I know all that. Perhaps I should just make a couple of points a little clearer: On M-F I would hope that the Enviros stay on the original section of the route, with the Geminis doing the full route (assuming all the buses are available and I know there is insufficient number of that type to be used solely for the service). The Enviros have not yet had Wakefield added to the branding |
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Post by whereami on Jan 24, 2015 20:54:31 GMT 1
1519/21 will be having 110 branding removed tomorrow, some E400's were changed over during the day, to receive the new writing on the side, & front Grand Yorkshire Connections, the rest are due to be done also tomorrow.
The desti was programmed wrong by Head Office, despite being asked to send it over by Monday, it did in fact arrive Friday afternoon, late evening Friday the desti was done, then we found the tiny 268A Wakefield/Bradford. Most of us put up the large 268A which would be used from Dewsbury. I used just 268 Bradford when leaving Wakefield, these will hopefully by redone on Monday (fingers crossed)
As already mentioned, stops still had 253/4/78 times on them, but thats Metro's responsibility.
During the Mon-Fri daytime, most of the 268A's stay on Wakefield's until evening peak, then drop on to Dewsbury service and vice versa.
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Post by guyarab on Jan 24, 2015 22:06:05 GMT 1
1519/21 will be having 110 branding removed tomorrow, some E400's were changed over during the day, to receive the new writing on the side, & front Grand Yorkshire Connections, the rest are due to be done also tomorrow. The desti was programmed wrong by Head Office, despite being asked to send it over by Monday, it did in fact arrive Friday afternoon, late evening Friday the desti was done, then we found the tiny 268A Wakefield/Bradford. Most of us put up the large 268A which would be used from Dewsbury. I used just 268 Bradford when leaving Wakefield, these will hopefully by redone on Monday (fingers crossed) As already mentioned, stops still had 253/4/78 times on them, but thats Metro's responsibility. During the Mon-Fri daytime, most of the 268A's stay on Wakefield's until evening peak, then drop on to Dewsbury service and vice versa. Please clarify your final comment above. Are you saying the buses running the extension are Wakefield's and not out of Heckmondwike? Gent the company to drop the ridiculous 268A can you please? |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 24, 2015 22:19:26 GMT 1
It isn't a big deal that the E400s haven't had 'Wakefield' added to the branding on day one. The alternative would have had them being changed last week when the 268 didn't go to Wakefield, which is probably more wrong.
He means that on weekdays the Dewsbury and Wakefield journeys stay separate (10 buses on Wakefield, 7 buses on Dewsbury versus 12 buses on the old timetable) but at peak times they mix up.
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Post by guyarab on Jan 24, 2015 22:53:38 GMT 1
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't expect the Enviros to be modified prior to the change, but would have expected the buses new to the service to have the new branding completed without any part of the old remaining, even if it be only for a day or two.
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Post by SF07 on Jan 25, 2015 19:37:48 GMT 1
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Post by clifton on Jan 25, 2015 20:23:48 GMT 1
I don't see the point in having a launch 2 weeks after the changes have happened. |
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Post by guyarab on Jan 25, 2015 21:36:09 GMT 1
I don't see the point in having a launch 2 weeks after the changes have happened. Yes, very odd - just like the 'A' suffix to the route. German logic? I think not. |
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Post by angrycommuter on Jan 26, 2015 14:51:19 GMT 1
To clarify.... is the A suffix actually in use as the timetables on the Arriva site make no reference to a 268A?
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Post by deerfold on Jan 26, 2015 15:10:30 GMT 1
To clarify.... is the A suffix actually in use as the timetables on the Arriva site make no reference to a 268A? I was wondering that. I can see people letting a 268A go past if their timetable led them to expect a 268. |
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