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Post by Craig on Apr 3, 2008 18:29:13 GMT 1
The biggest change at Huddersfield for the end of April changing times looks to be the re-organisation of the Purple Line. Routes are to be re-numbered to fit in with the 184 Manchester service: 181 Hudds-Wilberlee (to replace 305 and 348) 182 Hudds-Marsden Hard End (to replace eve/Sun 351) 183 Hudds-Marsden Hard End (to replace 350) and will increase to every 30 mins 184 Hudds-Manchester (as present) 185 Hudds-Marsden Dirker (to replace 352) 186 Marsden Dirker-Hudds (to replace the 349 journey) For all changes see: www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/yorkhumber/caldhudd/service_changes/?item=1175&show=1 |
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Post by hfx on Apr 3, 2008 22:32:23 GMT 1
This is a good thing! It'll make a much simple network of services. Alterations to the brandings on purple line buses will obviously occur.
Will this add in confusion if say a First Huddersfield 184 service ran into Manchester with 180-186 brandings on it's buses? 180 182 etc are services which run along the 184 route on the Manchester side. I suppose the purple strip should keep things unnoticed!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 3, 2008 22:51:54 GMT 1
It's not really any simplier, there are still far too many service numbers being used, evening and sunday variations, services running once a day etc.
Also personally I don't like service numbers not using the traditional WYPTE system, same with Stagecoach and their 80-84 services. Huddersfield should be 300s, Stagecoach should be 200s
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 5, 2008 10:40:37 GMT 1
184 is a f manch route.
shouldn't this be on the routes board.......'?
i think the idea of the 1970's renumbering was to avoid dupe of numbers rather than an area having a number sequence. eg IN BRADFORD there was bct wy yWd routes with the same no.
AND did wakefield have so many that they used 100's and 400............'?
LCT kept the lower nos cos their buses could oly shows 2 diggits.
WHAT about LEEDS ROAD, BRADFORD. routes
15 72 88 607 711 and 896
that's 4 different numbering systems.
btw 896 was 296
and 711 was a varient of old 611
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2008 17:06:06 GMT 1
It certainly was a missed opportunity in simplifying these routes. Much of the Halifax and Huddersfield Overground networks stretch the definition of a simple, high frequency route far too far (Huddersfield's half-hourly Blue Line, anyone? Or how about Halifax's Mixenden routes which looks like a child went crazy with a purple crayon on the map?).
What is the difference between the 350/351 (soon to be 182/183) that requires 2 different numbers? Why does the 349 (186) need its own route number, and why is it there anyway, is it a school run?
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Post by nick on Apr 5, 2008 17:09:45 GMT 1
What i dont get is the 182 and 183. What is the point in that. 183 running on sundays and eveings while the 182 Mon-Sat weekday day time. Why dont they just keep it simple and have one number for all day service (0600-23/0000) it would save all the confusion of which bus goes where!!!
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2008 17:14:21 GMT 1
Isn't that just a watered down version of what I just said?
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Post by riclam on Apr 5, 2008 19:09:48 GMT 1
It certainly was a missed opportunity in simplifying these routes. Much of the Halifax and Huddersfield Overground networks stretch the definition of a simple, high frequency route far too far (Huddersfield's half-hourly Blue Line, anyone? Or how about Halifax's Mixenden routes which looks like a child went crazy with a purple crayon on the map?). What is the difference between the 350/351 (soon to be 182/183) that requires 2 different numbers? Why does the 349 (186) need its own route number, and why is it there anyway, is it a school run? 349 is a school run is a completely different route, 350 goes to marsden hard end, at night it goes via linthwaite and milnsbridge centre instead of 305 |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 5, 2008 21:11:03 GMT 1
The reason for the 351 is that, First and/or Metro withdrew the evening and sunday 305 and therefore has to divert the 350 to cover that route and it's own route at these times
The 349 one bus a day is an odd one
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Post by Craig on Apr 5, 2008 22:03:20 GMT 1
Why isn't the 349 numbered as a school service then (is it Kxx for Kirklees?).
And if the 181 is to replace the 305 via Linthwaite, and then evenings/Sundays it will be the 182, couldn't they have more practically juggled this network around to have one service making this diversion at all times? I don't know the area so maybe this might be easier said than done?
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Post by hfx on Apr 6, 2008 0:11:49 GMT 1
I suppose you could do with what Leeds do > Stick an 'A' on the end of the service number. While I agree that the WYPTE System is good, it is however not always the best option- especially in cases of routes linked to areas outside West Yorkshire. Like now 181-186 sound much of a network than 184, 349-352! I don't understand stagecoach renumbering of 80-84 at all, but I don't think stagecoach should be in the 2XX series either (like YTC were). They should fit with the 3XX like All Huddersfield and South Kirklees area is. 380-383 services numbers are available  |
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Post by riclam on Apr 6, 2008 13:40:20 GMT 1
the 80's fit in with stagecoach yorkshires number scheme, as for 349, its whatrs left of a full route, it only operates in morning, probably when its only profitable
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 6, 2008 14:50:35 GMT 1
Personally I'd run the 349 as a 352 with a footnote in the timetable
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Post by Craig on Apr 6, 2008 18:56:35 GMT 1
The Purple Line could have perhaps been re-organised as:
181 to Wilberlee (but not via Linthwaite) - hourly daytime
182 to Marsden Dirker - every 30 mins, hourly evening/Sunday
183 to Marsden Hard End via Linthwaite - every 30 mins, hourly evening/Sunday
184 to Manchester - hourly daytime
The 349 could either have become a diverted 182 bus or been numbered as a school service instead.
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Post by Davidc on Apr 8, 2008 17:06:32 GMT 1
This all explains why I have seen some of the Eclipse Urbans in Huddersfield now with out their Purple Line branding. Sore one yesterday that only had the coloured area at the bottom of the front window left. Others have had the large number in the circle on the side of the bus removed. I'll have a better look at these buses tomorrow.
Like other people on here I carnt understand why there are so many routes for this batch of services.
David.c
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 9, 2008 14:37:04 GMT 1
 What are First West Yorkshire playing at! I boarded the 184 and asked for a return to Manchester. The driver recommended I purchase a first day ticket. After quizzing him about it's validity outside West Yorkshire i was told that tickets issued anywhere in West Yorkshire are valid in Lancashire and Manchester as well, it's just that they don't state this on tickets bought outside Halifax/Huddersfield, i.e within Leeds for example. Why don't all first operating areas issue tickets that state every area that they are valid in, a person coming from Bradford or Leeds could end up paying more than they have to if they wish to travel beyong the boundary. Combining my journey with train use to Huddersfield so it wouldn't take as long, I saved a few quid on the coach fare and at least 5 quid on the train fare, with even more being saved on the peak coach/train fare. My total journey time was just over 2 and a half hours, normally just over an hour traveling by rail and just under 1 and a half hours by coach (more at peak!). The little extra journey time is nothing compared to what could be saved, First should utilise this.
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Post by the110 on Apr 9, 2008 15:39:36 GMT 1
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Post by jml8371 on Apr 11, 2008 0:44:56 GMT 1
What are First West Yorkshire playing at! I boarded the 184 and asked for a return to Manchester. The driver recommended I purchase a first day ticket. After quizzing him about it's validity outside West Yorkshire i was told that tickets issued anywhere in West Yorkshire are valid in Lancashire and Manchester as well, it's just that they don't state this on tickets bought outside Halifax/Huddersfield, i.e within Leeds for example. Why don't all first operating areas issue tickets that state every area that they are valid in, a person coming from Bradford or Leeds could end up paying more than they have to if they wish to travel beyong the boundary. Combining my journey with train use to Huddersfield so it wouldn't take as long, I saved a few quid on the coach fare and at least 5 quid on the train fare, with even more being saved on the peak coach/train fare. My total journey time was just over 2 and a half hours, normally just over an hour traveling by rail and just under 1 and a half hours by coach (more at peak!). The little extra journey time is nothing compared to what could be saved, First should utilise this. This would be because only a ticket issued in Halifax/Huddersfield is valid in Greater Manchester. As I have stated before, we are under instruction in Leeds to refuse travel with a Greater Manchester, York or South Yorkshire FirstDay ticket. The paassing of in-correct travel info by Halifax/Huddersfield/Manchester is currently been taken up at group level. |
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 11, 2008 8:10:53 GMT 1
But it's not incorrect travel info. it says on the First West Yorkshire ticket from this year that it's valid on the 590 etc.
You may be confused because last year Halifax/Huddersfield did not issue a First West Yorkshire ticket but had their own ticket valid on their own services oly includ 590 and 576 outside halifax but not any other ie not 681 or Manchester locals.
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Post by huddsinfo on Apr 21, 2008 10:15:58 GMT 1
Here is some up to date information about the Huddersfield changes from 27th April. I always find Metro changing times leaflets difficult to understand and need to be a little clearer.
There seems to be a lot of changes in the Colne Valley due to the withdrawl of service MetroConnect 908, I live there and just about understand whats going on.
Other withdrawn services
First - 305, 349, 350, 351, 352,
Stotts - 390, 391, 396, 397
Service changes
First
181 - new service replacing part of 305 between Cowlersley and Hoyle House via Causway Side and 348 between Hoyle House and Hill Top extending to Wilberlee in place of Withdrawn 908 - operating every 30 minutes Mon to Sat daytimes
182 - new service replacing in full 351 to Marsden Hard End via Blackmoorfoot
183 - new srvice replacing in full 350 to Marsden Hard End via Manchester Road A half hourly service Mon - Sat daytimes
184 - changes to timings
185 - new srvice replacing in full 352 to Marsden Dirker with timing changes
186 - pointless number change replacing 349
303 - certain services extend to Pole Moor replacing 908
328 - changes to timings
353 - changes to timings
387 - changes to timings
539 - changes to timings no longer diverts to Pole Moor
Arriva
202/203 - changes to timings
209/219/229 - changes to timings
435 - changes to timings - no longer serves West Bretton or Shepley during the day
436 - new service replacig some 435 journeys operates via Shepley
Stagecoach/Arriva
231 - changes to timings, no longer serves West Bretton, Arriva operate some evening services
232 - changes to timings, Sunday routes changed, Arriva operate some evening services
262 - changes to timings, Arriva operate evening and Sunday services
K-Line 319 - timing changes
JRT 937 - changes to timings and routes
both Hard End and Wessenden in one route
only 2 a day to West Slaithwaite and Tunnel End
JRT 938 - new service between Marsden and Slaithwaite a couple of them extending to Pole Moor
Stotts - Very confusing....There is too much to put here but I will try my best
335 - route changes - no longer going to Marsden but extending to Pole Moor and round to Blackmoorfoot
393 - new service to Blackmoorfoot
394/395 - replacing 390/91/96/97 between Hudds and Slaithwaite, 394 via Scar Lane and 395 via Brittania Road
Hope you are well informed by this
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 21, 2008 22:31:09 GMT 1
The whole thing in the Colne Valley is very complicated and seems to be how to replace the taxibus with other services without increasing the PVRs on any of the other services
If you asked what buses currently serve Blackmoorfoot, what buses will serve there next week and whether it is better or worse, I wouldn't know!
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What are First West Yorkshire playing at! I boarded the 184 and asked for a return to Manchester. The driver recommended I purchase a first day ticket. After quizzing him about it's validity outside West Yorkshire i was told that tickets issued anywhere in West Yorkshire are valid in Lancashire and Manchester as well, it's just that they don't state this on tickets bought outside Halifax/Huddersfield, i.e within Leeds for example. Why don't all first operating areas issue tickets that state every area that they are valid in, a person coming from Bradford or Leeds could end up paying more than they have to if they wish to travel beyong the boundary.