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Post by rst1987 on Dec 19, 2014 17:54:39 GMT 1
First (as well as Arriva) have announced they're increasing fare prices in New Year.
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Post by ricardoat4 on Dec 20, 2014 8:29:37 GMT 1
It says in the Bradford T&A one of the reasons is they have invested £8m in new buses. Perhaps fares should be frozen in Bradford and Halifax then? Just saying Oh soz, we got a few BD13 saloons.
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Post by rwilkes on Dec 20, 2014 9:10:58 GMT 1
These are tiny increases - many would not bother to pick up a dropped 10p coin. Fuel prices may be falling but drivers wages aren't and congestion and legislation puts up costs Each time a bus goes into a Metro bus station it pays more than a days parking in Bradford Maybe we should complain about he fares increases, but its mostly not the bus companies fault
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Dec 21, 2014 10:24:46 GMT 1
As long as the money is used to improve services and buy new buses within 12 months it is something can live with
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Post by SF07 on Dec 22, 2014 12:04:27 GMT 1
Details on the First websites: Single (All areas unless stated. Child fares half the adult price):*£1 (no change) *£1.20 -> £1.30 (Bradford/Leeds) *£1.20 - no change (Calderdale/Hudds) *£1.30 -> £1.40 (Hudds) *£1.50 -> £1.60 (Bradford/Calderdale/Hudds/72 - except 521/522/523 services, which is unchanged) *£1.70 -> £1.80 (Calderdale/Hudds) *£2.00 - no change (Bradford/Leeds) *£2.00 -> £2.10 (Calderdale/Hudds) *£2.20 -> £2.30 *£2.60 -> £2.70 (Calderdale/Hudds) *£2.70 -> £2.80 (except 503 Halifax-Elland) *£2.80 -> £2.90 (Bradford/Calderdale/Hudds/X84) *£3.00 -> £3.10 *£3.10 -> £3.20 (Leeds) *£3.20 -> £3.30 (Hudds) *£3.50 -> £3.70 (Leeds) Return:*Bradford Return: £3.90 -> £4 (adult only) *£2.30 - no change (Calderdale) *£2.70 - no change (Calderdale) *£3.20 -> £3.30 (Calderdale) *£3.90 -> £4 (Calderdale) Day:*Bradford Area: £3.90 -> £4 *Calderdale/Huddersfield Area: £3.80 -> £3.90 *Holmfirth Day Card: no change (£3) *Leeds Area: £3.90 -> £4 *WY Area: £4.60 -> £4.70 *Friends & Family: £8 -> £8.20 *Child Day Out: no change (£2.20) Weekly:*Bradford Area: £14 -> £14.50 *Halifax Area: unchanged (£10) *Huddersfield Area: £12 -> £12.50 *Leeds Area: £14 -> £14.50 *WY Area: £19.50 -> £20 *Child: No change (£7) Monthly:*Bradford Area: £52 -> £54 *Leeds Area: £52 -> £54 *WY Area: £65 -> £68 Annual:*Bradford Area: £520 -> £540 *Leeds Area: £520 -> £540 *WY Area: £650 -> £680 Other:*WY 3-Monthly: £183 -> £195 *Hyperlink 6 Link ticket: No change (£12) *Hyperlink 10 Link ticket: No change (£18) *LeedsCityBus: No change (50p) www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/bradford/travel_news/news_initiatives/?item=24061&conf=0www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/calderdale_huddersfield/travel_news/news_initiatives/?item=24071&conf=0www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/calderdale_huddersfield/travel_news/news_initiatives/?item=24091&conf=0www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/leeds/travel_news/news_initiatives/?item=24051&conf=0
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 22, 2014 19:11:39 GMT 1
All that branding they've recently introduced on the fronts of buses and the overall rear adverts will all need changing. I'm surprised they didn't keep those headline tickets the same price.
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Post by Russ on Dec 22, 2014 20:43:50 GMT 1
I thought they wanted to get people on buses not off them
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Post by biroguy on Dec 22, 2014 22:06:23 GMT 1
They have truly shot themselves in the foot, public relations disaster!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 18:08:22 GMT 1
All that branding they've recently introduced on the fronts of buses and the overall rear adverts will all need changing. I'm surprised they didn't keep those headline tickets the same price. Not all of it is wrong. The new 'Red Arrow' branding is still correct because they haven't altered the fares on the 521/522/523.
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Post by andyk4050 on Dec 29, 2014 18:30:35 GMT 1
All that branding they've recently introduced on the fronts of buses and the overall rear adverts will all need changing. I'm surprised they didn't keep those headline tickets the same price. Not all of it is wrong. The new 'Red Arrow' branding is still correct because they haven't altered the fares on the 521/522/523. I think he meant the adverts with the £3.90 & £14 tickets that were on many of Leeds and Bradford buses
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Post by biroguy on Dec 30, 2014 11:11:41 GMT 1
Catch a First bus whilst you still can, Metro are going to go down the quality contract route, should mean new buses at last in places like Halifax.
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Post by rwilkes on Dec 30, 2014 13:11:13 GMT 1
Metro is certainly going down the road to Quality Contracts. They will spend £millions but they will not get there. And if they ever did they would face a financial catastrophe as they cannot do sums! In the meantime they hare blocking quality partnerships which would double bus use over ten years and there would be lots of money for new buses and better services
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 13:50:36 GMT 1
Metro is certainly going down the road to Quality Contracts. They will spend £millions but they will not get there. And if they ever did they would face a financial catastrophe as they cannot do sums! In the meantime they hare blocking quality partnerships which would double bus use over ten years and there would be lots of money for new buses and better services From your posts about the subject, I can see that you aren't a fan of Quality Contracts. I'm not disbelieving of your comments or the claims you make since I don't know myself. But have you any links to evidence that: 1. They will spend £millions but they will not get there. 2. [It would be] a financial catastrophe as they cannot do sums 3. ...quality partnerships...would double bus use over ten years Like I say, I'm not looking to be confrontational. But is it just opinion or are they sound, evidence based claims?
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Post by rwilkes on Dec 30, 2014 17:34:02 GMT 1
I am happy to answer questions Metro have been spending abt £100k per annun for some years The expensive bits (lawyers, consultants, experts) are to come - the quality contracts board, and if they are successful there then there will be years of litigation by the bus companies who will want to protect the money lent to them by banks, insurance companies and pensions funds - our money in fact. Metro cannot do the sums. There are lot of items here but take one. Each year First WY send £10 dividend to First HQ. Metro thinks this is excess profit which could be used to support services and lower fares. In fact it pays of £10m of new buses each year. Over 10 years Metro would be £100m adrift. This would be a catastrophe for local councils. Quality partnerships. Bus use in WY is abt half what it is in Nottingham, Reading, Oxford and Brighton. High congestion in WY slows buses, and puts up costs. Abt 50 extra buses are needed in WY over and above what is really needed, because of traffic. Each bus costs £300 per day. If a partnership produced lots of bus lanes, buses would be faster, more reliable, more frequent and cheaper. The Association of WY Bus operators are confident hey could double bus use with a partnership. I could send more stuff if I had your e-address
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 14:19:32 GMT 1
I am happy to answer questions Metro have been spending abt £100k per annun for some years The expensive bits (lawyers, consultants, experts) are to come - the quality contracts board, and if they are successful there then there will be years of litigation by the bus companies who will want to protect the money lent to them by banks, insurance companies and pensions funds - our money in fact. Metro cannot do the sums. There are lot of items here but take one. Each year First WY send £10 dividend to First HQ. Metro thinks this is excess profit which could be used to support services and lower fares. In fact it pays of £10m of new buses each year. Over 10 years Metro would be £100m adrift. This would be a catastrophe for local councils. Quality partnerships. Bus use in WY is abt half what it is in Nottingham, Reading, Oxford and Brighton. High congestion in WY slows buses, and puts up costs. Abt 50 extra buses are needed in WY over and above what is really needed, because of traffic. Each bus costs £300 per day. If a partnership produced lots of bus lanes, buses would be faster, more reliable, more frequent and cheaper. The Association of WY Bus operators are confident hey could double bus use with a partnership. I could send more stuff if I had your e-address Thank you for providing those interpretations and opinions. You obviously know much more than I do, as I said before. Do you have an inside view on such things (as an operator perhaps) or just a well informed outsider? It all helps to know where someone's slant on something is coming from.
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Post by rwilkes on Dec 31, 2014 15:03:08 GMT 1
I have been a bus user all my life and tend to be interested in rural routes as I am a hiker with no car. At bus deregulation I was horrified and expected most bus services to disappear. But I read abt Oxford, Trent Barton and Brighton in buses magazine. I joined Bus Users UK went it was Nat Fed of Bus Users and I am founder member of Friends of Dalesbus. I am also involved in coach hire for our walking club. So I made links and gained an understanding of issues with bus industry people and learned a lot from attending bus conferences in Oxford and York as well as at the very informative Bus User UK AGMs. I picked up contacts at bus consultants as well as bus management. Metro have become convinced I work for First as a consultant! If only! My son drive for First Calderline, K& D and now West Coast Motors so I pick up the drivers point of view to some extent.
So as a lay bus user, I am quite well informed. Running a bus company is a tough demanding job, but understanding the economics is not rocket science. I think if the bus companies had tried harder to explain the stuff I know to staff and passengers the supporters of Quality Contracts would be a beleaguered few. The main problem of Quality Contracts is that they are a road block to partnerships which would really improve matters. My interest is in the bus industry and bus services and networks. The only thing I know abt the vehicles is what colour they are!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2014 16:09:25 GMT 1
I thank you, rwilkes, for your informative and honest answers.
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 6, 2015 17:33:54 GMT 1
The chairman of public transport in West Yorkshire has attacked fare increases by the county's biggest bus operator. First Bus has increased its fares by an average of 2.8%. Councillor James Lewis, chairman of West Yorkshire Combined Authority Transport Committee (WYCAT), said he was "disappointed" by the fare rise. Paul Turner of First Bus said the increases were "necessary" to improve services and cover operating costs. These include salaries and wages, bus depot overheads and pensions, the company said. "We need to review our fares from time to time to meet the ongoing challenge of rising costs to our business and ensure we can continue to invest in improving service for our customers in future. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-30677893
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