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Post by jackh on May 11, 2008 19:35:33 GMT 1
Did First and Arriva specify on age profile of buses running along the 'Elite' guideway when it openned back on November 5th 2001?
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Post by bc on May 11, 2008 19:50:06 GMT 1
Did First and Arriva specify on age profile of buses running along the 'Elite' guideway when it openned back on November 5th 2001? I'm pretty sure that the Elite scheme promised the same vehicle replacement policy as the Scott Hall scheme, i.e. every 5 years. And like the Scott Hall scheme, it appears as though that was just a promise made at the time that hasn't been followed through. Some of Cherry Row's saloons are now in excess of 12 years old! The only vehicle upgrade since the Elite guideway opened was the partial-conversion of the 40 to Gemini operation in 2004 - and ironically the vehicles they replaced were newer than many of those still on it! Logical to assume that First's new order for Leeds will see off some of the older saloons at least. No sign of an Arriva upgrade though...
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 11, 2008 21:15:04 GMT 1
To press the remaining regular 'high floor' operated routes are 8, 9, 28, 33, 38, 44, 46, 55, 60, 61, 62, 63, 73, 76, 78, 85, 86, 87, 88, 90, 91, 92, 95, 96, 97, X84, though of course this doesn't account for misallocations etc etc. The 33/A, 96 and X84 are unarguably long overdue for an upgrade, and logic would suggest that at least the 33/A and 96 should benefit from the new vehicle intake so as to make the Overground network 100% low floor. Would also be good to see an upgrade for the 56 - in the past this has been First Leeds' premier (busiest) Overground route (could well still be the case) and the ALX400s are looking a little down at heel at the moment. I think smartening up some Royales with some route branding would be ok for the X84. In a similar way to the 'Holmfirth Connection' in Huddersfield The Headingley corridor doesn't really need low floors in my opinion as the students will get on any bus so keeping Olympians on the 96, 97 etc is probably ok Any future order of Geminis I think should go onto the Red/Blue Lines so it could be 100% Gemini operated. The ALX400s on these routes look a bit tatty The bendis on service 1 are very down at heel and should either have a full refurbishment or be transferred out somewhere else
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Post by kendall17 on May 11, 2008 21:54:03 GMT 1
Some high capacity deckers wouldn't go amiss on the 1, or give york some new bendys and we have some of their older 1s?
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Post by jackh on May 11, 2008 22:07:00 GMT 1
York are getting new Artics in the form of 15 Mercedes Benz Citaro Gs for Park & Ride, anyway York's current none ftr artic fleet are only a year older than ours. Plus there is less of them so not enough to man the 1.
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Post by mattyr88 on May 12, 2008 9:14:10 GMT 1
the headingly buses 96, 28 and 97 need upgrading to low floor because they service cookridge, adel, and guisely which have a high population of elderly people, these buses don't just operate for students. the 95 doesn't need ungrading because its a student base bus. it would be nice to see some new wheels though instead of the olympians
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Post by angrycommuter on May 12, 2008 10:18:37 GMT 1
With Boris winning the race to be London Mayor and promising to get rid of the bendy's, will any of those end up in West Yorkshire. Perhaps they could be used to upgrade the No.1 and a few of the other cross-city services?
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Post by Burnside on May 12, 2008 10:40:58 GMT 1
With Boris winning the race to be London Mayor and promising to get rid of the bendy's, will any of those end up in West Yorkshire. Perhaps they could be used to upgrade the No.1 and a few of the other cross-city services? Maybe, but only if they don't catch fire first!!! ;D
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Post by dougie on May 12, 2008 23:01:55 GMT 1
To press the remaining regular 'high floor' operated routes are 8, 9, 28, 33, 38, 44, 46, 55, 60, 61, 62, 63, 73, 76, 78, 85, 86, 87, 88, 90, 91, 92, 95, 96, 97, X84, though of course this doesn't account for misallocations etc etc. Thanks for typing this out, there's quite a few there that run alongside "low floor" routes, like the 73, but I suppose you could argue that if these areas already have *some* low floor vehicles in that part of town.
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Post by bc on May 13, 2008 10:20:30 GMT 1
To press the remaining regular 'high floor' operated routes are 8, 9, 28, 33, 38, 44, 46, 55, 60, 61, 62, 63, 73, 76, 78, 85, 86, 87, 88, 90, 91, 92, 95, 96, 97, X84, though of course this doesn't account for misallocations etc etc. I think the 67 is still rostered Darts as well...? Although Solos appear from time to time I don't think there are enough to cover the 31/32, all the Wharfedales and the 67. As of recently, you might as well include the 49 on this list too...
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Post by Craig on May 18, 2008 15:59:45 GMT 1
Honestly I was tempted to include the 49 but presumably First still officially call it a low floor route?!
To add my two cents, the 33 and 96 should be upgraded to low floor, so that the Overground can be relaunched (which I think is due) and one of the features can be 100% low floor operation (except for operational circumstances usual disclaimer etc etc).
I wish First would just scrap the B10LAs and just get 'deckers instead. The artics were only ever a gimmick, half of them are out of service at any one time and the 1 route is just a mish mash of Kirkstall's (now Hunslet's) crap that is spare that day.
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Post by bc on May 18, 2008 17:47:14 GMT 1
I wish First would just scrap the B10LAs and just get 'deckers instead. The artics were only ever a gimmick, half of them are out of service at any one time and the 1 route is just a mish mash of Kirkstall's (now Hunslet's) crap that is spare that day. Must agree with this. At the very least the bendis are in need of a major internal and external overhaul. The movement of the 2/3/12/13 fleet of B7s and B9s over to Hunslet Park means that, in theory, the garage now has a few extra low-floor DDs that can be used where needed (as presumably the strategic spares for the 2/3/12/13 are included amongst those transferred). One or two ALX400s and Geminis a day would, in my opinion, complement the bendis nicely at least in the short-term... though something tells me we'll still see Olympians on there for a while yet...
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Post by jackh on May 18, 2008 19:29:45 GMT 1
Two reasons why the artics can be out of service, lack of trained drivers that day so Artics can't be used. Plus I think one of the roads that route 1 uses in Holt Park is in a bad state which can knacker the chassis.
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Post by Craig on May 18, 2008 20:54:53 GMT 1
If First didn't want to get rid of the artics, another option could be to paint some of them up in Unilink colours for the 95 (and possibly 92). They are occasionally used on the 95 anyway and a large capacity high visual impact bus might be more suitable than the current ex-London Olys?
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Post by dougie on May 18, 2008 22:21:11 GMT 1
I wish First would just scrap the B10LAs and just get 'deckers instead. The artics were only ever a gimmick, half of them are out of service at any one time and the 1 route is just a mish mash of Kirkstall's (now Hunslet's) crap that is spare that day. Artics are great when new on a "flagship" route, they have the "wow" factor to turn heads, but when they are "mid life" like the T reg ones, there are fewer "secondary" routes suitable to them. If the 1 was low floor double decker, then it'd have had newer buses introduced in the past nine years, but it's not so easy to artics off a route, there needs to be somewhere for them to go...
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Post by jackh on May 18, 2008 22:31:48 GMT 1
We could always off load them to Sheffield . The buses will be to Olive Grove's standard of fleet presentation!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 18, 2008 22:47:46 GMT 1
I wish First would just scrap the B10LAs and just get 'deckers instead. The artics were only ever a gimmick, half of them are out of service at any one time and the 1 route is just a mish mash of Kirkstall's (now Hunslet's) crap that is spare that day. Must agree with this. At the very least the bendis are in need of a major internal and external overhaul. The movement of the 2/3/12/13 fleet of B7s and B9s over to Hunslet Park means that, in theory, the garage now has a few extra low-floor DDs that can be used where needed (as presumably the strategic spares for the 2/3/12/13 are included amongst those transferred). One or two ALX400s and Geminis a day would, in my opinion, complement the bendis nicely at least in the short-term... though something tells me we'll still see Olympians on there for a while yet... Hunslet Park now have 48 low floor double decks. the 2/3/3A/12/13/13A has a PVR of 44. Therefore that seems tight enough as it is. So rather than B9TLs making appearances on the 1, Royales on the 2 seems more likely!
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Post by dougie on May 18, 2008 23:14:55 GMT 1
We could always off load them to Sheffield . The buses will be to Olive Grove's standard of fleet presentation! The R reg B10BLEs from Bradford that have just arrived in Sheffield are the tidiest looking buses at Olive Grove right now, which shows how West Yorkshire look after their buses better
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Post by topman on May 24, 2008 22:27:29 GMT 1
We could always off load them to Sheffield . The buses will be to Olive Grove's standard of fleet presentation! The R reg B10BLEs from Bradford that have just arrived in Sheffield are the tidiest looking buses at Olive Grove right now, which shows how West Yorkshire look after their buses better Well, they must have liked the B10BLEs as those B7TL ALX400's that arrived here in Doncaster from Bradford aren't in the best condition, they could do with a deep clean!
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Post by leedslad01 on Jun 14, 2008 18:03:11 GMT 1
Any update on when more new buses are coming to Leeds and if so where they are been allocated to?
Or even the Buses from London?
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Post by jackh on Oct 11, 2008 16:35:13 GMT 1
Two more Wright Eclipse Urbans seem to have made it back to Cherry Row consisting of: 69340 YJ08CEF 69348 YJ08CFA
Is 69339 still down South, Plymouth last time I checked?
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