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Post by Jonesy on Nov 12, 2015 20:11:49 GMT 1
Arriva Yorkshire are going well over the top with this "MAX" branding, It was supposed to be introduced on selected services to make them that little bit special and improve the customer "experience", instead AY will probably refurb every decker on every route, thus diluting the initial "WOW" factor that the MAX and Sapphire brands were supposed to engender. I'm all for a better passenger experience, but what's the point of promoting "MAX" as being an improvement on the standard service, when it becomes the standard service?. Apologies in advance if my post is deemed to be in the wrong thread. Poor old Castleford have nothing! I mean small buses on 189 at 17:00 at Wakey lol
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 12, 2015 20:41:30 GMT 1
700 at Heckmondwike for 2 months. covering for 1535-151 which are to be refurbished to MAX standard for the 229 1535- ? I think the maxed gemini's look real good , better than they currently look 1535 had recently transferred from Belle Isle but it had been 126/7 branded at Dewsbury prior to 126/7 going MAX. 1536 - 1541 are the current 229 standard branded Gemini's at Heckmondwike. If the 229 in going to be every 20 minutes then additional buses would be required. The 6 currently 229 branded was 1 short of the requirements prior to the October changes which have increased it further so who knows how many will be either required or converted
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 12, 2015 21:11:35 GMT 1
Arriva Yorkshire are going well over the top with this "MAX" branding, It was supposed to be introduced on selected services to make them that little bit special and improve the customer "experience", instead AY will probably refurb every decker on every route, thus diluting the initial "WOW" factor that the MAX and Sapphire brands were supposed to engender. I'm all for a better passenger experience, but what's the point of promoting "MAX" as being an improvement on the standard service, when it becomes the standard service?. Apologies in advance if my post is deemed to be in the wrong thread. I would have to agree to be honest. Especially as the Gemini buses with the route branding look good as they are. MAX should have been kept for proper fast frequent direct links, like the 268 and 415, not round the houses routes like the 229. I'd prefer if they used the funds to trial new faster links that don't currently exist, like a more direct route from Heckmondwike to Leeds direct up the A62. As the spen area has no train service, express buses should in theory do well?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 2:21:07 GMT 1
Arriva Yorkshire are going well over the top with this "MAX" branding, It was supposed to be introduced on selected services to make them that little bit special and improve the customer "experience", instead AY will probably refurb every decker on every route, thus diluting the initial "WOW" factor that the MAX and Sapphire brands were supposed to engender. I'm all for a better passenger experience, but what's the point of promoting "MAX" as being an improvement on the standard service, when it becomes the standard service?. Apologies in advance if my post is deemed to be in the wrong thread. North East is just as bad,look at the Blyth corridor from Newcastle,first it was just the X10/1 (the fastest & most direct),now its the whole lot! (apart from the 308 that`s hybrid) I Remember reading that on average,after MAX conversion arriva was seeing passenger increases of around 10%,so who could blame them for wanting to try it on aload of routes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 9:19:33 GMT 1
The idea of MAX seemed a bit strange in the first place. I get SAPPHIRE because it is meant to be for the flagship routes, for example the 110. But MAX just seems very similar to the standard specification that Stagecoach and First offer(Leather seats, Wi-Fi), just with a different livery. Not that I'm the biggest fan of leather anyway, never saw what was wrong with fabric but that is my own personal opinion.
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Post by guyarab on Nov 13, 2015 17:56:15 GMT 1
Arriva Yorkshire are going well over the top with this "MAX" branding, It was supposed to be introduced on selected services to make them that little bit special and improve the customer "experience", instead AY will probably refurb every decker on every route, thus diluting the initial "WOW" factor that the MAX and Sapphire brands were supposed to engender. I'm all for a better passenger experience, but what's the point of promoting "MAX" as being an improvement on the standard service, when it becomes the standard service?. Apologies in advance if my post is deemed to be in the wrong thread. I certainly agree about Arriva overdoing the "MAX" branding. Can't see the point. I too prefer a better frequency rather than giving a bus cosmetic improvements. Is the 229 going to have a bus every twenty minutes then?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 19:16:04 GMT 1
Arriva Yorkshire are going well over the top with this "MAX" branding, It was supposed to be introduced on selected services to make them that little bit special and improve the customer "experience", instead AY will probably refurb every decker on every route, thus diluting the initial "WOW" factor that the MAX and Sapphire brands were supposed to engender. I'm all for a better passenger experience, but what's the point of promoting "MAX" as being an improvement on the standard service, when it becomes the standard service?. Apologies in advance if my post is deemed to be in the wrong thread. I certainly agree about Arriva overdoing the "MAX" branding. Can't see the point. I too prefer a better frequency rather than giving a bus cosmetic improvements. Is the 229 going to have a bus every twenty minutes then? I personally thought it was perhaps a little soon for the 61 reg'd Geminis to be refurbished the way they are. The 2008/9 built buses, fair enough! However I thought putting new buses on the 202/203 was good though in my opinion as that seems to be one of Arriva's most popular routes. Michael Windle
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Post by driver6540 on Nov 17, 2015 22:07:44 GMT 1
1110 back at Heckmondwike, seen yesterday morning on 254.
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 17, 2015 22:37:53 GMT 1
1110 back at Heckmondwike, seen yesterday morning on 254. That one did seem like a strange choice to go to Selby since there is little requirement for singles there, unless knowing Arriva it was the wrong bus in wrong place at wrong time syndrome.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 21, 2015 22:50:14 GMT 1
700 at Heckmondwike for 2 months. covering for 1535-151 which are to be refurbished to MAX standard for the 229 These may need to be refurbished quickly as, according to a route change page, the timetable change takes effect on January 4th.
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 22, 2015 9:48:46 GMT 1
700 at Heckmondwike for 2 months. covering for 1535-151 which are to be refurbished to MAX standard for the 229 These may need to be refurbished quickly as, according to a route change page, the timetable change takes effect on January 4th. With the exception of peak hour extras the 229 only requires 7 maybe 8 (1535-1541 = 7) so 3 completed every two weeks and job done before Christmas
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 22, 2015 14:21:41 GMT 1
700 at Heckmondwike for 2 months. covering for 1535-151 which are to be refurbished to MAX standard for the 229 These may need to be refurbished quickly as, according to a route change page, the timetable change takes effect on January 4th. Are you sure that isn't the timetable change from Christmas timetables to normal timetables? The end of January is the usual changing window.
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Post by arrivayorks on Nov 22, 2015 20:04:44 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic?
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Post by Penfold on Nov 22, 2015 21:19:15 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic? ....and the 56 plate Commanders or the Lowlanders haven't been touched (re-furbed or repainted) since they arrived at AY ! Penfold
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Post by mutty on Nov 22, 2015 21:44:10 GMT 1
Nothing at AY surprises me, what's the sense in loaning castleford 1930, when dewsbury have borrowed 662 from them
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Post by mutty on Nov 22, 2015 21:47:10 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic? ....and the 56 plate Commanders or the Lowlanders haven't been touched (re-furbed or repainted) since they arrived at AY ! Penfold The lowlanders were repainted once they came off the 202/3 and some of the hecky ones now do have new seats in them !
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 22, 2015 22:00:47 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic? The same could be said for the initial batch of Commanders 1400-1408, although most if not all of them have been re-trimmed. Those Volvos 1100-1112 almost appear to be of a type not really required by Arriva Yorkshire, I know some are route branded for 254/5 but given a blank piece of paper the preferred option for that route would probably be for deckers. One wonders if in a another couple of years or so they might look good in Yorkshire Tiger Livery.............................
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Post by Penfold on Nov 23, 2015 10:25:46 GMT 1
....and the 56 plate Commanders or the Lowlanders haven't been touched (re-furbed or repainted) since they arrived at AY ! Penfold The lowlanders were repainted once they came off the 202/3 and some of the hecky ones now do have new seats in them ! Didnt know they were repainted, although I forgot that some got reseated. Penfold
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Post by Penfold on Nov 23, 2015 10:33:33 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic? The same could be said for the initial batch of Commanders 1400-1408, although most if not all of them have been re-trimmed. Those Volvos 1100-1112 almost appear to be of a type not really required by Arriva Yorkshire, I know some are route branded for 254/5 but given a blank piece of paper the preferred option for that route would probably be for deckers. One wonders if in a another couple of years or so they might look good in Yorkshire Tiger Livery............................. 1400-1408 all got new trim but have never been repainted since they arrived. The majority of them have had a reconditioned engine in the last few years too. They are looking very shabby. Only oddball 499 got a full retrim and repaint into the 'new' corporate livery. Penfold
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Post by timelesstable on Nov 23, 2015 18:10:15 GMT 1
The same could be said for the initial batch of Commanders 1400-1408, although most if not all of them have been re-trimmed. Those Volvos 1100-1112 almost appear to be of a type not really required by Arriva Yorkshire, I know some are route branded for 254/5 but given a blank piece of paper the preferred option for that route would probably be for deckers. One wonders if in a another couple of years or so they might look good in Yorkshire Tiger Livery............................. 1400-1408 all got new trim but have never been repainted since they arrived. The majority of them have had a reconditioned engine in the last few years too. They are looking very shabby. Only oddball 499 got a full retrim and repaint into the 'new' corporate livery. Penfold Do you know if the radiators got refurbished at the same time as the engines ? Being honest they only look tired, it's Tate's fleet which looks shabby
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Post by Penfold on Nov 23, 2015 22:58:52 GMT 1
1400-1408 all got new trim but have never been repainted since they arrived. The majority of them have had a reconditioned engine in the last few years too. They are looking very shabby. Only oddball 499 got a full retrim and repaint into the 'new' corporate livery. Penfold Do you know if the radiators got refurbished at the same time as the engines ? Being honest they only look tired, it's Tate's fleet which looks shabby No radiators were harmed in the reporting of this subject ! You must have seen the better Commanders as several have areas of flaking paint and rust not to mention a few aerodynamic panels. Meanwhile Tates have several buses with bent panels that are held together with rust, flaking paint and gaffer tape ! Penfold
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Post by tyresmoke on Nov 24, 2015 22:21:13 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic? You'll probably find this is down to the fact that the brand is designed by North East & Yorkshire, who have embraced it as it is producing results in passenger growth. Other regions are starting to adopt it as I am sure they are seeing the same growth being produced. Southern Counties are implementing it on selected services at present, although Shires appear to have stopped recently. Back in the NE & Yorkshire, there are plans to push it out onto further services in 2016.
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Post by kaytown on Nov 25, 2015 1:33:18 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic? You'll probably find this is down to the fact that the brand is designed by North East & Yorkshire, who have embraced it as it is producing results in passenger growth. Other regions are starting to adopt it as I am sure they are seeing the same growth being produced. Southern Counties are implementing it on selected services at present, although Shires appear to have stopped recently. Back in the NE & Yorkshire, there are plans to push it out onto further services in 2016.
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Post by kaytown on Nov 25, 2015 1:34:57 GMT 1
You'll probably find this is down to the fact that the brand is designed by North East & Yorkshire, who have embraced it as it is producing results in passenger growth. Other regions are starting to adopt it as I am sure they are seeing the same growth being produced. Southern Counties are implementing it on selected services at present, although Shires appear to have stopped recently. Back in the NE & Yorkshire, there are plans to push it out onto further services in 2016. Hopefully 148/9/50 will be one of 'em.
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Post by guyarab on Nov 25, 2015 21:26:01 GMT 1
Don't quite understand arrivas logic, firstly I agree with going over the top with the max livery, you look at all other branches of the company across the UK and they've only applied this to selected routes, but Yorkshire they have gone OTT. Secondly, they're doing all this work to create an extensive fleet of Max spec'd vehicles, yet leave vehicles such as the 1100's in their original livery, rather than repairing them to actually match the rest of the fleet? Where is the logic? The same could be said for the initial batch of Commanders 1400-1408, although most if not all of them have been re-trimmed. Those Volvos 1100-1112 almost appear to be of a type not really required by Arriva Yorkshire, I know some are route branded for 254/5 but given a blank piece of paper the preferred option for that route would probably be for deckers. One wonders if in a another couple of years or so they might look good in Yorkshire Tiger Livery.............................
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