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Post by timelesstable on Feb 3, 2014 8:34:09 GMT 1
Obviously doing the round's on Arriva's Yorkshire turf then. However cant recall seeing it outside Waterloo today. Probably moved on now. It was parked in Castleford depot last Sunday (27th Jan), but I don't know if it still there
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 3, 2014 8:43:40 GMT 1
All of Yorkshire Tiger's ALX400 double deckers, 892, 893, 894 & 895 are all now in Yorkshire Tiger livery with branding for the University services 92,93,94 and the mortar board wearing tiger motif. 896 is at Huddersfield still in Centrebus livery, unless anyone knows any different this is now the only Trident allocated to Huddersfield The only deckers I have seen recently, in Tiger days, on 231/2 have been 803 and 905/6. The other which did appear in Centrebus days was 895, I cannot remember seeing 896 on those routes for years so not sure what it does at Waterloo.
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Post by andyk4050 on Feb 3, 2014 9:39:29 GMT 1
896 is usually seen on the 80 series routes
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 3, 2014 9:47:59 GMT 1
All of Yorkshire Tiger's ALX400 double deckers, 892, 893, 894 & 895 are all now in Yorkshire Tiger livery with branding for the University services 92,93,94 and the mortar board wearing tiger motif. 896 is at Huddersfield still in Centrebus livery, unless anyone knows any different this is now the only Trident allocated to Huddersfield The only deckers I have seen recently, in Tiger days, on 231/2 have been 803 and 905/6. The other which did appear in Centrebus days was 895, I cannot remember seeing 896 on those routes for years so not sure what it does at Waterloo. Previously (when under Centrebus control) there were 3 scheduled decker workings - 1 was on a 231/232 all-day working that contained a couple of particularly busy journeys, 1 covered a working on 80/1/2, 262 built around a couple of school runs & the 3rd working largely covered schools & works contracts though with 1 round trip in the evening peak on the 232. I assume that the Yorkshire Tiger workings are still similar in broad scope, particularly in relation to journeys requiring the extra capacity of a decker.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 3, 2014 18:50:50 GMT 1
A few sightings last Thursday
896 was on 80s group until 14:22 when it ran off, presumably to schools 803 came in on the 81 that starts from Shelley High School and then did the 16:05 905 was on all day 231/232 including the 13:50 and 16:20 from Huddersfield 906 looked to be at the depot The 16:50 231/232 is apparently supposed to be a double deck as well but was Scania 760 on that occasion.
I'm planning a fuller attempt to work out the current diagrams in a few weeks.
What I'm wondering is, if all Leeds's ALX400s are working University services, how are they managing to run their two Rawdon school contracts and two Bradford University services, which were all double decks in the past, unless 801 has dropped onto one of these, and the Bradford Uni service is now partially single deck?
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 4, 2014 9:42:00 GMT 1
A few sightings last Thursday 896 was on 80s group until 14:22 when it ran off, presumably to schools 803 came in on the 81 that starts from Shelley High School and then did the 16:05 905 was on all day 231/232 including the 13:50 and 16:20 from Huddersfield 906 looked to be at the depot The 16:50 231/232 is apparently supposed to be a double deck as well but was Scania 760 on that occasion. I'm planning a fuller attempt to work out the current diagrams in a few weeks. What I'm wondering is, if all Leeds's ALX400s are working University services, how are they managing to run their two Rawdon school contracts and two Bradford University services, which were all double decks in the past, unless 801 has dropped onto one of these, and the Bradford Uni service is now partially single deck? Which would indicate that they may have made some adjustments to the vehicle workings since the takeover as under Centrebus the bus that came in of the 81 from SHS (803 as you saw it) was the working that covered the 1650 231/232 and was the largely schools & works contract decker working. The other two workings you saw conformed to the decker workings as they ran with Centrebus. For Leeds, again as per the schedules for September prepared by Centrebus for when the Uni's were all fully back, the scheduled decker working on the 92 also covered one of the Rawdon school workings before & in the middle, the 3rd working on the 92 only kicks in in the afternoon and since the 2nd bus on the Bradford Uni only runs in the morning it is possible that a minor adjustment in the duties means that bus can cover the afternoon peak on the 92 - it used to run off the 781. Most of the Uni workings were single-deck & there were 5 decker workings at the depot (2 for the 99 Bradford Uni, 1 for Rawdon Schools standalone, 1 for 92 & Rawdon Schools & 1 on the 94 due to the access to the site) most Uni workings have always been singles historically so the question is how many of the university workings are deckers - I know that even before the takeover the 94 would be likely to see a smaller bus than was officially scheduled so that would free one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 17:29:28 GMT 1
A few sightings last Thursday 896 was on 80s group until 14:22 when it ran off, presumably to schools 803 came in on the 81 that starts from Shelley High School and then did the 16:05 905 was on all day 231/232 including the 13:50 and 16:20 from Huddersfield 906 looked to be at the depot The 16:50 231/232 is apparently supposed to be a double deck as well but was Scania 760 on that occasion. I'm planning a fuller attempt to work out the current diagrams in a few weeks. What I'm wondering is, if all Leeds's ALX400s are working University services, how are they managing to run their two Rawdon school contracts and two Bradford University services, which were all double decks in the past, unless 801 has dropped onto one of these, and the Bradford Uni service is now partially single deck? Which would indicate that they may have made some adjustments to the vehicle workings since the takeover as under Centrebus the bus that came in of the 81 from SHS (803 as you saw it) was the working that covered the 1650 231/232 and was the largely schools & works contract decker working. The other two workings you saw conformed to the decker workings as they ran with Centrebus 905 or 906 usually works the double decker working that is normally 1350 and 1620 from Huddersfield, it has been a bit hit and miss lately though with the 231 branded decker working other boards on the 231/2. Also if 803 works the 1605 doesn't it end somewhere other than Clayton west and then come back NIS to Huddersfield?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 4, 2014 18:29:08 GMT 1
I couldn't fully work out what was going on with the afternoon 81s as there are supposed to be 2 arrivals at 15:45 & 15:49 but both were running late. One seems to do the 16:05 to Clayton West, the other does the 15:55 to Lepton and then comes back empty, previously as was said to then do the 16:50 232
The University workings on Friday in Leeds were 892, 893, 895, 897 & 740. The latter has the blue repainted orange treatment. There is no longer a 'third peak working' on the 92 as the timetable now has 5 workings all day, although of course it might not be the same 5 buses all day.
Service 94 was MCV 548.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 5, 2014 20:03:07 GMT 1
All of Yorkshire Tiger's ALX400 double deckers, 892, 893, 894 & 895 are all now in Yorkshire Tiger livery with branding for the University services 92,93,94 and the mortar board wearing tiger motif. 896 is at Huddersfield still in Centrebus livery, unless anyone knows any different this is now the only Trident allocated to Huddersfield I overheard a couple of Yorkshire Tigers Waterloo drivers commenting (moaning might have been a better word for it) on the recent transfer of 895 and 896 between Waterloo and Leeds, don't think they were that impressed with 896, judging by their comments about it.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 5, 2014 20:23:12 GMT 1
I couldn't fully work out what was going on with the afternoon 81s as there are supposed to be 2 arrivals at 15:45 & 15:49 but both were running late. One seems to do the 16:05 to Clayton West, the other does the 15:55 to Lepton and then comes back empty, previously as was said to then do the 16:50 232 The University workings on Friday in Leeds were 892, 893, 895, 897 & 740. The latter has the blue repainted orange treatment. There is no longer a 'third peak working' on the 92 as the timetable now has 5 workings all day, although of course it might not be the same 5 buses all day. Service 94 was MCV 548. Again overheard conversation between the two Waterloo Drivers commenting about the 80-84 services where an extra buses had been added to the rota but with little increase to the running times. However, they were happy about the increased layover between trips at Huddersfield which resulted in the following service leaving on time even if the previous one was in late. Final snippet was a moan about where their breaks were taken and especially Managements reluctance to interwork the 231 arrivals into Wakefield with the 435/6 services to and from Holmfirth.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 5, 2014 21:34:55 GMT 1
I've never worked out how changeovers are undertaken on the 435/436. They tend to use smaller buses than on the 231/232 so it would make interworking a bit of an issue.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 5, 2014 22:31:30 GMT 1
I've never worked out how changeovers are undertaken on the 435/436. They tend to use smaller buses than on the 231/232 so it would make interworking a bit of an issue. A solo appears in the early afternoon I think it comes direct from Waterloo and then you will find a bus often 725 in Centrebus days parked up for an hour in Wakefield. Strange part is that an early Saturday ex 231 at 8:20ish into Wakefield does then go onto 435/6. I'm not aware of any others which do that.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 6, 2014 9:13:28 GMT 1
I've never worked out how changeovers are undertaken on the 435/436. They tend to use smaller buses than on the 231/232 so it would make interworking a bit of an issue. A solo appears in the early afternoon I think it comes direct from Waterloo and then you will find a bus often 725 in Centrebus days parked up for an hour in Wakefield. Strange part is that an early Saturday ex 231 at 8:20ish into Wakefield does then go onto 435/6. I'm not aware of any others which do that. The issue with the 435/436 was that there were a couple of school flows which meant specific sized vehicles were required for specific journeys and the schedules had to be designed around that added to the issue of merging an age-limited contract with a commercial service using comparatively older vehicles not compliant with that age limit. With the withdrawal of a number of the DAFs and the arrival of some newer vehicles there is some scope for interworking to be considered in the future, a new issue may arise in the regular use of deckers on the 231/232 as I believe there was a low bridge somewhere on the 435/436 working that could only accommodate low-height deckers & all the Yorkshire Tiger ones are, I think, full-height vehicles so may struggle with that. During the day there are two vehicles required with a third (a Solo as this working had no school flows) added to cover extra running time during the peaks, this bus was sent out earlier than obvious from the timetable to enable the big bus working to step back by an hour (normally the Orange SB200 Centro - 725?) to get it on to the correct school flow in the afternoon. Driver changeovers took place at Shepley on most journeys as the closest convenient point to Waterloo though during the afternoon peak with the extended running times there are about 45-min turnarounds at Wakefield that were used as breaks. Break facilities at Wakefield used to be an issue for drivers but with Yorkshire Tiger now being a 100% Arriva operation you would think they would now have access to the Arriva Rest-room which should reduce that issue for them.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 6, 2014 9:46:02 GMT 1
A solo appears in the early afternoon I think it comes direct from Waterloo and then you will find a bus often 725 in Centrebus days parked up for an hour in Wakefield. Strange part is that an early Saturday ex 231 at 8:20ish into Wakefield does then go onto 435/6. I'm not aware of any others which do that. The issue with the 435/436 was that there were a couple of school flows which meant specific sized vehicles were required for specific journeys and the schedules had to be designed around that added to the issue of merging an age-limited contract with a commercial service using comparatively older vehicles not compliant with that age limit. With the withdrawal of a number of the DAFs and the arrival of some newer vehicles there is some scope for interworking to be considered in the future, a new issue may arise in the regular use of deckers on the 231/232 as I believe there was a low bridge somewhere on the 435/436 working that could only accommodate low-height deckers & all the Yorkshire Tiger ones are, I think, full-height vehicles so may struggle with that. During the day there are two vehicles required with a third (a Solo as this working had no school flows) added to cover extra running time during the peaks, this bus was sent out earlier than obvious from the timetable to enable the big bus working to step back by an hour (normally the Orange SB200 Centro - 725?) to get it on to the correct school flow in the afternoon. Driver changeovers took place at Shepley on most journeys as the closest convenient point to Waterloo though during the afternoon peak with the extended running times there are about 45-min turnarounds at Wakefield that were used as breaks. Break facilities at Wakefield used to be an issue for drivers but with Yorkshire Tiger now being a 100% Arriva operation you would think they would now have access to the Arriva Rest-room which should reduce that issue for them. The bridge is on the A636 just by Thornes Park under the line between Wakefield Westgate and Darton for Barnsley plus those which go via Horbury Junction . The age limit on the 435/6 is interesting since it is often possible to find a X registered Millenium or Y registered Solo on there. Now the operation is owned by Arriva, I know where there are lots of low height deckers which would go under the bridge on the A636, food for thought.......
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 6, 2014 21:35:26 GMT 1
Yorkshire Tiger will shortly be receiving two Dennis Dart's from Arriva North West. These are V651/2 DVU, currently operating as 7651/2 and based at Southport and Speke respectively. They are Marshall Capitol's 10.7m version. No detail's as to where they'll be based, but Waterloo looks likely.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 15, 2014 19:23:41 GMT 1
K-Line livery Dart 594 is operating from Waterloo. Seen yesterday on short 262's then service 84 and then service 231 to Wakefield in the afternoon peak
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 24, 2014 20:08:23 GMT 1
One of the two Dart/Marshall's earmarked for transfer, already outshopped in orange and is ready for delivery (may even be here already). However t'other one is awaiting a new gearbox fitting before despatch. No info as to which is which.
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Post by johnniem on Feb 26, 2014 23:36:37 GMT 1
Marshall Capital bodied Dennis Dart SLF outshipped in allover orange is 551 (V651 DVU), Waterloo based, seen in service.
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Post by rossbailey on Mar 4, 2014 13:17:55 GMT 1
Has anyone got any details as to what buses Yorkshire Tiger (Leeds) will be adding for when they upgrade Leeds City Centre to Leeds/Bradford Airport service 757 this summer from the current every half hour to the proposed (To Metro) every 20 mins frequency. Also from what date will the change take effect?
Thanks in advance...
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Post by andyk4050 on Mar 4, 2014 14:33:33 GMT 1
Has anyone got any details as to what buses Yorkshire Tiger (Leeds) will be adding for when they upgrade Leeds City Centre to Leeds/Bradford Airport service 757 this summer from the current every half hour to the proposed (To Metro) every 20 mins frequency. Also from what date will the change take effect? Thanks in advance... All I know is it will be from 26th April 2014
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 13:51:16 GMT 1
Has anyone got any details as to what buses Yorkshire Tiger (Leeds) will be adding for when they upgrade Leeds City Centre to Leeds/Bradford Airport service 757 this summer from the current every half hour to the proposed (To Metro) every 20 mins frequency. Also from what date will the change take effect? Thanks in advance... All I know is it will be from 26th April 2014 Wonder if they will get additional buses to run these?
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Post by andyk4050 on Mar 5, 2014 15:23:32 GMT 1
All I know is it will be from 26th April 2014 Wonder if they will get additional buses to run these? They're ment to be getting a couple but they're not brand new, they'll be a couple of years old
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 8, 2014 22:23:07 GMT 1
The second ex-ANW Marshall Dart V652 DVU, presumably YT no 552, is reported to be ready for collection from St.Helens, gearbox issues resolved and painted orange. As i post this, could be at Waterloo already.
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Post by X212HHE on Mar 11, 2014 23:02:33 GMT 1
The second ex-ANW Marshall Dart V652 DVU, presumably YT no 552, is reported to be ready for collection from St.Helens, gearbox issues resolved and painted orange. As i post this, could be at Waterloo already. 552 is now at Waterloo depot along with a DAF Alexander Alx400 S246 JUA which I think is also ex Arriva North West
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Post by driver6540 on Mar 12, 2014 23:23:20 GMT 1
DAF ALX400 is indeed ex Arriva North West, 4076 based at Bolton. These ex-London DLA's are on borrowed time within the ANW fleet. Many have been withdrawn already and replaced by newer ex-London President's and Gemini's. So i suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibility more could be heading over to Arriva's low cost/budget fare unit (Yorkshire Tiger).
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