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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 28, 2013 21:53:07 GMT 1
Came accross what service will use the Todmorden curve and it's a belter, Try Todmorden to Blackburn! Bet what'll happen is a half hourly link will be provided between Blackburn and Burnley with each train carrying on beyond Burnley to Tod/Calder Valley. Thought this curve line was to be used to provide Burnley with a train link to Manchester?
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Mar 29, 2013 13:02:58 GMT 1
Tod to Blackburn, where have you heard this,do you have a source/link?
The main reason for the reinstatement of the curve was to link Burnley back to Manchester. I'll be honest I find it hard to believe that they would use it for such a second rate service.
I'd be hoping for more of a Preston to Manchester service or even Blackpool South to Manchester service.
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Post by SF07 on Mar 29, 2013 13:38:20 GMT 1
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Mar 29, 2013 14:11:28 GMT 1
Probably Blackburn will be a good starting point for the service as opposed to either Preston or Blackpool South which is probably a bit fanciful. Are there any east facing bays at Blackburn?
I assume you are referring to 'Noticers' comment, but he doesn't say it will be a Blackburn to Tod service. He says a Blackburn to Manchester service via Tod, think SF07 has the stopping pattern spot on.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Mar 29, 2013 22:30:59 GMT 1
Sorry should have made my source clear, it's in the latest WYITA scrutiny comittee papers dated for March 2013.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Mar 29, 2013 23:08:01 GMT 1
If it is a Blackburn to Tod service that,quite frankly, is utter pants.
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Post by Burnside on Mar 30, 2013 0:26:44 GMT 1
Blackburn would be logical as it would be the best place on the Copy Pit line for turnarounds.
As far as terminating at Tod, could be awkward as there is no bay platform so occupying a platform would be getting in the way of through services and i'm not overly sure as to where there would be facilities to turn round.
What i think is likely is that a service that terminates at Man Vic from somewhere like Southport or Wigan for example would be extended through to Tod, freeing up platform space at Victoria (important with the planned rerouting of TPE trains), the unit then forming a Tod to Blackburn, so although it would be a Tod to Blackburn on paper, it would essentially still be a through service.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Mar 30, 2013 10:04:25 GMT 1
I don't think there is any capacity issues at Victoria or they won't be as isn't Victoria getting some new platforms in its refurb?
I'm still finding it hard to believe that it'll just be a Blackburn to Tod service,surely the reinstatement and cost deserves a little better than such a poor service.The good people of Burnley won't be happy.
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Post by Burnside on Mar 30, 2013 19:43:38 GMT 1
As i said above, if it is BBN-TOD, then it will likely continue to MCV as a seperate service but with same unit and no need to change at TOD.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Mar 30, 2013 22:05:52 GMT 1
As i said above, if it is BBN-TOD, then it will likely continue to MCV as a seperate service but with same unit and no need to change at TOD. And what's the point in that? They might as well just run it as one service straight through or is this some kind of quirky bizarre railway anomaly? |
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Post by Burnside on Mar 30, 2013 22:28:08 GMT 1
Could be the same reason the Leeds to York via Harrogate service is shown on the screens at Leeds as terminating at Poppleton so as to not confuse those wanting a quick service to York, or possibly to do with the funding for it, as it would have to be worked into the cost of the franchise.
While it may be classed as two separate services (Man Vic - Tod and Tod - BBN) it would be operated as a through service.
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Post by humberside on Apr 1, 2013 13:51:00 GMT 1
Todmorden would be an odd place to 'split' the service if so though. I'd have thought Accrington would have made more sense, so it still appeared as a through service to Manchester from Burnley and Accrington?
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 1, 2013 16:01:06 GMT 1
Could be the same reason the Leeds to York via Harrogate service is shown on the screens at Leeds as terminating at Poppleton so as to not confuse those wanting a quick service to York, or possibly to do with the funding for it, as it would have to be worked into the cost of the franchise. While it may be classed as two separate services (Man Vic - Tod and Tod - BBN) it would be operated as a through service. I can see it done for those reasons to as it's a longer indirect service, compared too direct services. E.g the Wakey westgate - selby train is displayed as Bradford or Bramley from Wakey/hudd. Same with the Harrogate train, displaying burley park on stands. The Blackburn -burnley - Manchester train might as well display Manchester, no faster service, only alternative travel is bus x41 or x43. If the full routes quicker than bus, then it will really pick up customers on its way. |
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 1, 2013 16:02:44 GMT 1
Burley park from York that is.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Apr 1, 2013 18:20:04 GMT 1
Could be the same reason the Leeds to York via Harrogate service is shown on the screens at Leeds as terminating at Poppleton so as to not confuse those wanting a quick service to York, or possibly to do with the funding for it, as it would have to be worked into the cost of the franchise. While it may be classed as two separate services (Man Vic - Tod and Tod - BBN) it would be operated as a through service. I can see it done for those reasons to as it's a longer indirect service, compared too direct services. E.g the Wakey westgate - selby train is displayed as Bradford or Bramley from Wakey/hudd. Same with the Harrogate train, displaying burley park on stands. The Blackburn -burnley - Manchester train might as well display Manchester, no faster service, only alternative travel is bus x41 or x43. If the full routes quicker than bus, then it will really pick up customers on its way. It's displayed as 'Brighouse' at Leeds on the info boards. But I agree, it may as well just be advertised to Manchester Victoria rather than Tod. |
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Post by Burnside on Apr 1, 2013 21:13:36 GMT 1
Could simply be that the service is being discussed as TOD-BBN as this is the section which does not currently have a service, but will be operated as a through train.
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 1, 2013 22:40:05 GMT 1
This is mentioned in the papers as a Todmorden to Blackburn service. Line improvement and tunnel refurbishment to permit it is scheduled for Winter 2013/14 (November to April) between Hebden Bridge and Blackburn.
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Post by SF07 on May 11, 2013 12:27:05 GMT 1
Story on the Rochdale Online website, which confirms the service will run between Blackburn and Manchester Victoria via Accrington, Burnley, Todmorden and Rochdale. Article also says that STORM (Support the Oldham Rochdale Manchester rail line group) believe that the service should stop at Littleborough (either in addition to or instead of Todmorden) www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/80219/new-train-service |
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Post by glennh2 on May 14, 2013 20:07:21 GMT 1
However the point of a Todmorden stop is to provide a Todmorden-Burnley link which the article fails to mention
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Post by SF07 on May 14, 2013 21:11:31 GMT 1
However the point of a Todmorden stop is to provide a Todmorden-Burnley link which the article fails to mention Absolutely, the article does seem to look at it from a Todmorden-Manchester point of view rather than establishing the link to Burnley. |
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Post by resolution on May 25, 2013 16:31:05 GMT 1
Just to clarify all the speculation on this service, Lancashire County Council have stated that when it starts it will run from Blackburn to Wigan via Manchester Victoria.
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Post by Burnside on Nov 23, 2013 12:37:55 GMT 1
Latest (info from Railnews): Todmorden Curve due to open in February, however, the direct service between Burnley and Manchester via the Curve unlikely to start before Dec 2014 due to lack of rolling stock.
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Post by SF07 on May 17, 2015 9:28:31 GMT 1
The new service via the Todmorden Curve starts today (17 May). The service will run an hourly service all day, every day between Blackburn and Manchester Victoria via Accrington, Burnley Manchester Road, Todmorden and Rochdale. As a result of the direct service between Burnley and Manchester, Transdev have started to run a promotion campaign to stop passengers switching from the X43 bus service to the train, handing out free copies of the Lancashire Telegraph and cups of coffee in a Witch Way mug tomorrow morning (18 May). Transdev have also reduced the price of the Duo ticket to/from Manchester from £15 to £12 and are pointing out that their service will be more frequent than Northern Rail (up to every 10 mins on bus compared to hourly train service) and cheaper too (£33 for weekly ticket on bus (valid on whole Transdev Lancashire network) compared to £44 on train). www.lancashirebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1413www.lancashirebus.co.uk/offers.html?offerID=12www.northernrail.org/todmorden-curvewww.northernrail.org/pdfs/timetables/20150517/36.pdf |
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