Areas not served by a bus

[Matty]

Is there any areas in Calderdale, Kirklees, Bradford & Leeds are not served by a bus route that need a regular service that would be profitable.

[Burnside]

I still can't understand the lack of a daytime service between Ilkley and Bradford.

[stevieinselby]

Mar 20, 2013 0:40:41 GMT 1 Burnside said:

I still can't understand the lack of a daytime service between Ilkley and Bradford.

It's Otley to Bradford that I find more of a mystery. Ilkley to Bradford has a half-hourly train (hourly evenings and Sundays), which does the journey in 30 minutes and calls at most main points along the way that the bus would in less than half the time – so it's hard to see what market the bus would exploit.

Otley, on the other hand, has a meagre six buses a day to Bradford with the last one back at 1700 (five on Saturday with the last one back at 1550). With no rail service, passengers have to either change to a train at Menston or change buses somewhere like Guiseley if that infrequent service doesn't fit with their plans. It's hard to believe there isn't enough traffic to justify at least an hourly service Monday to Saturday daytimes, which would only need two buses.

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Mar 20, 2013 1:25:37 GMT 1 stevieinselby said:

Mar 20, 2013 0:40:41 GMT 1 Burnside said:

I still can't understand the lack of a daytime service between Ilkley and Bradford.

It's Otley to Bradford that I find more of a mystery. Ilkley to Bradford has a half-hourly train (hourly evenings and Sundays), which does the journey in 30 minutes and calls at most main points along the way that the bus would in less than half the time – so it's hard to see what market the bus would exploit.

Otley, on the other hand, has a meagre six buses a day to Bradford with the last one back at 1700 (five on Saturday with the last one back at 1550). With no rail service, passengers have to either change to a train at Menston or change buses somewhere like Guiseley if that infrequent service doesn't fit with their plans. It's hard to believe there isn't enough traffic to justify at least an hourly service Monday to Saturday daytimes, which would only need two buses.

Actually its easy to get to bradford by bus from otley,the minibus to airport connects with bradford bus so its just a simple change over,one thing i never get is why West yorkshire has poor links with Manchester,i mean i know theres a good train service but its expensive,184 Always seems to carry good loads so why not have a go at other links? - maybe Centrebus would look into extending 528 to Manchester or 184 becoming half-hourly,i find it funny how i live closer to Manchester but have better links to the likes of Leeds & York & its cheaper!

[SF07]

Another option for travelling between Otley and Bradfor is 33/33A from Otley to Guiseley then 737 to Bradford.

I'd love to see the 184 increased to half-hourly. Given the extra running time First GM have added to the 184 within Greater Manchester, a half-hourly service would allow First WY back on the service in a joint operation (e.g the bus that arrives in Manchester at xx34 could leave at xx50). If the 184 was increased, then you create a combined 15 minute frequency between Huddersfield and Marsden with service 185 (although it would mean reducing the 185 between Peel St and Dirker from every 20 mins to every 30 mins) and then run the 181/183 on a combined half-hourly service via Linthwaite (rather than the current 20/40 gap).

I'm sure a direct bus link from Halifax to Manchester may be appealing to some people who prefer to travel for less money than on the train (albeit slower journey times). Journey times on the 17 between Rochdale and Manchester is currently about 55 mins, so it would be possible for the 528 to get from Halifax to Manchester in less than 2 hours (roughly the same journey times as the 184 from Huddersfield). Whether there would be enough passengers to sustain the extension is a different matter. Probably would work better if the 17 was extended to Halifax than the 528 to Manchester.

I wouldn't mind seeing better links between West and South Yorkshire, in particular places like Sheffield and Meadowhall.

[deerfold]

I used to do several of these links regularly. When Bradford - Otley was a half hourly service (hourly to Harrogate) around 1999 I used to travel in the evening peak. Unfortunately, the bus was rarely busy past Guiseley.

There's been several attempts to link Halifax to Manchester. There was the old X12 from Bradford (later Leeds) - Halifax - Oldham - Manchester but that started too late if you wanted to get to a 0900 start in Bradford. I only used to catch that between Bradford and Ripponden so I'm not sure how busy it was past Rishworth. When First West Yorkshire day tickets were valid within Greater Manchester I often used to go to Manchester from Ripponden via the 528/17 or 562/82-3.

The 562 Halifax to Oldham might as well have been 2 seperate services for most people. I caught it nearly every day for 10 weeks in 1992. It used to be busy between Halifax and Rishworth. Then, usually, 4 days a week I was the only passenger to Denholme with another regular passenger once a week. Then it started to pick up again from Denholme. I *was* quite surprised when this route - hourly with peak extras - was cancelled completely - I'd have thought it would have been worth running a few journeys. It did used to be busy on a Saturday over the border.

First don't appear to be particularly bothered about running the 528, withdrawing their registration without a fight when Centrebus registered their competing daytime service. If Centrebus extended to Manchester they'd be competing with frequent First services all the way from Littleborough - a lot of people just have First passes in GM.

First don't appear to be interested in anything novel any more - it's more about a managed decline than trying to attract new customers.

Huddersfield and Sheffield or Meadowhall have seen many services between the 2 tried and ultimately withdrawn, both express and tediously slow -the 568, X68, X36, X37, M1 even though these were often faster than the Penistone line...

The last bus from Bradford to Otley is rather later than 1700 - it's at 2125 ( www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/DE9F5BF9-C455-424D-8541-3A283273E6D8/0/963_BusTimetable.pdf )

[Deleted]

Mar 20, 2013 17:17:27 GMT 1 SF07 said:

Another option for travelling between Otley and Bradfor is 33/33A from Otley to Guiseley then 737 to Bradford.

I'd love to see the 184 increased to half-hourly. Given the extra running time First GM have added to the 184 within Greater Manchester, a half-hourly service would allow First WY back on the service in a joint operation (e.g the bus that arrives in Manchester at xx34 could leave at xx50). If the 184 was increased, then you create a combined 15 minute frequency between Huddersfield and Marsden with service 185 (although it would mean reducing the 185 between Peel St and Dirker from every 20 mins to every 30 mins) and then run the 181/183 on a combined half-hourly service via Linthwaite (rather than the current 20/40 gap).

I'm sure a direct bus link from Halifax to Manchester may be appealing to some people who prefer to travel for less money than on the train (albeit slower journey times). Journey times on the 17 between Rochdale and Manchester is currently about 55 mins, so it would be possible for the 528 to get from Halifax to Manchester in less than 2 hours (roughly the same journey times as the 184 from Huddersfield). Whether there would be enough passengers to sustain the extension is a different matter. Probably would work better if the 17 was extended to Halifax than the 528 to Manchester.

I wouldn't mind seeing better links between West and South Yorkshire, in particular places like Sheffield and Meadowhall.

Peel St & Dirker could easily be kept at same frequency if Metro would be willing to add extra trips to Marsden Local Service,I Agree about links to Sheffield & meadowhall,The reason X33 Went to the scrap heap was because arriva knocked it down to every 90 mins with 5 min layover time in bradford,2 min layover time in dewsbury & 4 min layover in sheffield.SYPTE Got funding to improve Service 29 (Sheffield - Penistone),maybe they could of extended to holmfirth to replace the current tates service,that way at least there would be a sheffield service into West Yorkshire

[Deleted]

Mar 20, 2013 17:47:02 GMT 1 deerfold said:

I used to do several of these links regularly. When Bradford - Otley was a half hourly service (hourly to Harrogate) around 1999 I used to travel in the evening peak. Unfortunately, the bus was rarely busy past Guiseley.

There's been several attempts to link Halifax to Manchester. There was the old X12 from Bradford (later Leeds) - Halifax - Oldham - Manchester but that started too late if you wanted to get to a 0900 start in Bradford. I only used to catch that between Bradford and Ripponden so I'm not sure how busy it was past Rishworth. When First West Yorkshire day tickets were valid within Greater Manchester I often used to go to Manchester from Ripponden via the 528/17 or 562/82-3.

The 562 Halifax to Oldham might as well have been 2 seperate services for most people. I caught it nearly every day for 10 weeks in 1992. It used to be busy between Halifax and Rishworth. Then, usually, 4 days a week I was the only passenger to Denholme with another regular passenger once a week. Then it started to pick up again from Denholme. I *was* quite surprised when this route - hourly with peak extras - was cancelled completely - I'd have thought it would have been worth running a few journeys. It did used to be busy on a Saturday over the border.

First don't appear to be particularly bothered about running the 528, withdrawing their registration without a fight when Centrebus registered their competing daytime service. If Centrebus extended to Manchester they'd be competing with frequent First services all the way from Littleborough - a lot of people just have First passes in GM.

First don't appear to be interested in anything novel any more - it's more about a managed decline than trying to attract new customers.

Huddersfield and Sheffield or Meadowhall have seen many services between the 2 tried and ultimately withdrawn, both express and tediously slow -the 568, X68, X36, X37, M1 even though these were often faster than the Penistone line...

The last bus from Bradford to Otley is rather later than 1700 - it's at 2125 ( www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/DE9F5BF9-C455-424D-8541-3A283273E6D8/0/963_BusTimetable.pdf )

i thought the 528 Was a tendered service & Centrebus won it from firstbus?

Also If centrebus was to go into manchester,they wouldnt have to go against 17,theres the hourly Express 24 Firstbus currently run,centrebus might have more of a chance going against that,both being hourly

[westyorkshirebus]

The lack of service from Halifax to Keighley is another one which is a notable gap.

The fact Cleckheaton to Huddersfield is only once an hour when all the adjacent towns around Cleckheaton have a much more frequent service.

As has been said though, it's all managing decline rather than introducing anything new. Arriva & First have all gained large numbers of new buses but it was a case of 1 in 1 out for both, rather than increasing the fleet to run a few more services.

[Craig]

These services have all existed at one point but no longer do so which clearly indicates unprofitability but doesn't mean that there isn't any potential demand there. However it does seem unlikely that such services would ever be fully reinstated.

Otley and Ilkley used to have half-hourly services to Bradford (Ilkley also had a half-hourly service to Leeds) for many years but these have now gone and only a few infrequent routes sit in their place. In these cases the electrification and improvements on the Wharfedale Line most certainly must have had an impact on bus use in these areas.

Looking at the bigger picture, these services have been massively cut down but on the other hand plenty of other services have seen improved frequencies. Generally it seems to be shorter urban routes that get improved services and the longer routes are under-used and eventually cut. I guess it is really just the industry reacting to where there is most potential for expansion and exploiting that. Not any different to any other type of business. But of course with buses there is still always the public's expectation that buses provide a "service" not a product. The fact is that buses really are both of these things, however realistically we all know that local government budgets are being cut and with ongoing reduced subsidies this pattern is going to continue, rightly or wrongly. In London (which always gets quoted in the context of how other areas should operate) buses are run at a massive loss because of the astronomical subsidies which maintain the 24-hour high frequencies on most routes and the low fares. There is no reason we can't have that across the country, and I'm not saying I'm against the idea, but are we prepared to pay the extra rates for this kind of offering? Of course, Metro are rather keen on the idea but if they are successful in introducing quality contracts (let us hope not) I would be amazed if we have anything close to resembling the low fares and service levels offered down south.

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Mar 20, 2013 18:25:22 GMT 1 westyorkshirebus said:

The lack of service from Halifax to Keighley is another one which is a notable gap.

The fact Cleckheaton to Huddersfield is only once an hour when all the adjacent towns around Cleckheaton have a much more frequent service.

As has been said though, it's all managing decline rather than introducing anything new. Arriva & First have all gained large numbers of new buses but it was a case of 1 in 1 out for both, rather than increasing the fleet to run a few more services.

i agree with all of this,at one time a day it was every 20 mins on both Huddersfield > cleckheaton & Hudddersfield > Heckmondwike Corridors (217/8/9/20/21/28/29).Biggest kick in teeth must of been to the people of Norwood Green,At one time of day had 8 buses an hour to Halifax,Cleckheaton,Leeds & 1 To Dewsbury but has now just got a few trips to Halifax

[Kenton Schweppes]

We used to have buses to Barnsley from Huddersfield but they were knocked on the head,although not sure why, as they could probably compete with journey time with the deathly slow Penistone Line. A limited stop service would be financially viable but may get knocked on the head should the Penistone Line be upgraded and see more services. We used to have a few Sheffield services too upto the late 80's early 90's. The thing with long distance service between towns and cities probably need to be limited stop services as people just don't find travelling 2 hours on a bus attractive at all. The other week I caught the last bus back to Halifax from Burnley after the football match and it took ages, the journey times are just not as attractive as trains. If the buses are looking to be profitable on long distance routes limited stop services are the way to go with high quality coach type buses that are comfortable.

Again, we used to have limited stop services from Huddersfield to Leeds but again they were knocked on the head, is there a market for the reintroduction of a service to Leeds using the motorway? This would cut out big swathes of the Spen Valley and Heavy Woollen areas.With electrification of the Trans Pennine line and increased frequency its difficult to see it being a success.

As for First Buses, I have to agree, they just seem happy to manage the decline in bus services instead of trying to halt the decline and increase patronage. Will things change when the Quality Contracts are introduced? As I seem to get the impression from what Metro say is that another 'big' operator is looking to muscle in on West Yorkshire (I suspect Stagecoach) which could either get First to up their game or see their share of the market decline. To be honest I don't personally rate First, I find them apathetic to services and their customer relations is practically zero. They only seem interested in running services at their convenience and to hell with what passengers actually want and need. For instance the 372 service, the last one to Almondbury on a night is at 21.00, which is totally laughable, the last one used to 23.00.

Another thing that needs to be improved, which is hopefully going to be addressed by the Quality Contracts is buses connecting with trains and smart and integrated ticketing. At the minute there is so many different operator specific tickets that people are just confused and just think 'forget it' I'll get a cab or walk.

Does anyone have any ideas as to what the quality contracts will bring and what will they consist off?

[Matty]

Is there any large housing estates anywhere that are lacking a service?

[kendall17]

Are you looking to suggest routes for Mr Centrebus Matty?

[Matty]

That would be telling

[kendall17]

Mar 20, 2013 22:50:47 GMT 1 Matty said:

That would be telling

Well I have a few in mind but would require royalties as and when the route was started etc.

Until then, I say nothing.

[dwarfer1979]

Mar 20, 2013 21:04:38 GMT 1 Kenton Schweppes said:

We used to have buses to Barnsley from Huddersfield but they were knocked on the head,although not sure why, as they could probably compete with journey time with the deathly slow Penistone Line. A limited stop service would be financially viable but may get knocked on the head should the Penistone Line be upgraded and see more services. We used to have a few Sheffield services too upto the late 80's early 90's. The thing with long distance service between towns and cities probably need to be limited stop services as people just don't find travelling 2 hours on a bus attractive at all. The other week I caught the last bus back to Halifax from Burnley after the football match and it took ages, the journey times are just not as attractive as trains. If the buses are looking to be profitable on long distance routes limited stop services are the way to go with high quality coach type buses that are comfortable.

Again, we used to have limited stop services from Huddersfield to Leeds but again they were knocked on the head, is there a market for the reintroduction of a service to Leeds using the motorway? This would cut out big swathes of the Spen Valley and Heavy Woollen areas.With electrification of the Trans Pennine line and increased frequency its difficult to see it being a success.

As for First Buses, I have to agree, they just seem happy to manage the decline in bus services instead of trying to halt the decline and increase patronage. Will things change when the Quality Contracts are introduced? As I seem to get the impression from what Metro say is that another 'big' operator is looking to muscle in on West Yorkshire (I suspect Stagecoach) which could either get First to up their game or see their share of the market decline. To be honest I don't personally rate First, I find them apathetic to services and their customer relations is practically zero. They only seem interested in running services at their convenience and to hell with what passengers actually want and need. For instance the 372 service, the last one to Almondbury on a night is at 21.00, which is totally laughable, the last one used to 23.00.

Another thing that needs to be improved, which is hopefully going to be addressed by the Quality Contracts is buses connecting with trains and smart and integrated ticketing. At the minute there is so many different operator specific tickets that people are just confused and just think 'forget it' I'll get a cab or walk.

Does anyone have any ideas as to what the quality contracts will bring and what will they consist off?

Interurban routes can offer great opportunities but it needs a very focused approach and good judgement to identify the wheat from the chaff. Stagecoach are masters at this sort of thing and have some astounding frequencies on interurban corridors elsewhere in the country. Unfortunately this sort of work is just not in the First mindset as they admit they are focused on urban 'big city' networks rather than this sort of work so they miss the opportunities and let things whither away. Limited stop services are rarely successful and even less so where there is a parallel rail service as running a limited stop bus or coach just means you are running a rubbish train as it removes the advantages of a bus (local stops) but doesn't have the advantages of the train (image, journey time, perceived comfort) and on shorter journeys the price comparison that means National Express type coaches can carve a market don't exist as train fares often come out on returns cheaper than the corresponding bus fare over shorter distances. The other thing holding back longer and limited stop services is concessionary fares reimbursement - these sort of services rely on fewer passengers travelling but at higher fares and with reimbursement rates in many areas if the proportion of concessionary passengers is too high then the economics fall apart (I know that killed off a couple of similar services on the South Coast at companies I worked for in recent years). I don't know the reason for the original withdrawal of the Huddersfield to Barnsley services (I think they predated national free concessionary travel introduction) but I am led to believe that the current rates in SY are not conducive to their resurrection, plus you have strong services on either side of the border which makes it more difficult for someone from one side to extend to the other as there will be limited local demand in the 'non-local' section meaning fewer passengers to pay for the extra resources needed to run cross border.

You also have the issue of European Hours and the 50km limit when looking at longer services, I'm not sure of the precise distances but I suspect that Halifax - Rochdale - Manchester is over 50km (if it isn't it is very close especially when you factor in any diversions via town centres etc). I think running via Oldham would come out under but since there is no existing service between on the cross pennine section it would indicate much greater work on passenger generation to get it going. It might work but it is probably a bigger risk than anyone is able to take in the current climate, particularly with the threat to BSOG at the moment. If it were Stagecoach rather than First that was running the two halves (Manchester - Oldham & Rishworth - Halifax) they might be willing to run the risk but as it is First it is very unlikely.

Quality Contracts appear to have gone onto the back burner in West Yorkshire recently, I think Metro have finally woken up to the realisation that everyone has been telling them (including TfL) that to do it right QCs cost a huge amount of money and if you don't have that money you are better off working in Partnerships. If the Metro reference to a 'big player' being interested in WY as part of a QC it wouldn't be Stagecoach who are threatening everything under the sun at Nexus if they implement QCs. Stagecoach have been fairly clear that they don't agree with QCs, are unlikely to co-operate with them and don't appear interested in getting involved in them elsewhere - they only returned to London as they could buy it back for about a tenth (probably an exaggeration but a lot less) of what they sold it for and are running it standalone with all new additions being leased vehicles which will not be added to the provincial fleet when they become surplus in London.

What QCs offer is a little unclear and depend on how much money is available, none of the ITAs looking at QCs have so far provided a clear idea of what they intend to do if they had control other than 'better' than what is currently on offer without explaining better or how it will be financed. With no extra money you will largely see the same network just done a little worse with less commercial flair and the good services reduced to supply resource for marginal services that are politically expedient. If they have money it depends on who is in charge but since this is the UK you are likely to see a lot of wasted money going on vanity projects and politically positive but operationally pointless schemes (the introduction and premature withdrawal of the artics & the Borismaster anyone?).

[Jamie]

Here is a idea...

A direct Halidax and Huddersfield service. Off the top of my head this would only take 30 minutes tops (except peak) unless the M62 gets snookered and miss out Elland offering a direct service to customers rather than go slow around Elland.

Again operating a direct service to Leeds would be good completion from Centrebus via the M62/Stump Cross.

A corridor I find weird that's not got a limited stop service is Leeds to Wakefield. Don't get me wrong the 110 is great but if you want a fast direct service it just is there.

[timelesstable]

Mar 21, 2013 10:03:52 GMT 1 Jamie said:

A corridor I find weird that's not got a limited stop service is Leeds to Wakefield. Don't get me wrong the 110 is great but if you want a fast direct service it just is there.

The train only takes 12 mins that would be a challange.

[www.buseireann.ie]

Mar 21, 2013 9:17:39 GMT 1 kendall17 said:

Mar 20, 2013 22:50:47 GMT 1 Matty said:

That would be telling

Well I have a few in mind but would require royalties as and when the route was started etc.

Until then, I say nothing.

I'll throw you a housing estate what's underserved, well it's 2 joined together. Try the New Forest and Heritage Village housing developments down Middleton, some of the edges of these 2 developments are close to frequent services but the middle parts and remaining edges are badly lacking services. Only those parts close to the 2 and 12/13/13A routes around Thorpe Lane terminus/Middleton Shopping Centre have access to good routes, Further down Thorpe Lane their's only an hourly 481, along the Sharp Lane bit theirs only a half hourly 74 unless people are willing to Walk to Raylands Way for the 85/7, The 85 only serves the middle of the New Forest hourly during the day, ironically it served that part half hourly whilst some of the houses were unsold and some not ready to be lived in! An every 10 minute peak (15 minute off peak) well publicised minibus operated circular service would do well down there if it ran non stop from Leeds to Sharp Lane then all stops down Sharp Lane and back up Sharp House Road, Murray Way left along the road the 85 serves through to Thorpe Lane, right onto Thorpe Lane then non stop via which ever way is quickest into Leeds.

[Arriva Wakefield]

Mar 21, 2013 10:03:52 GMT 1 Jamie said:

Here is a idea...

A direct Halidax and Huddersfield service. Off the top of my head this would only take 30 minutes tops (except peak) unless the M62 gets snookered and miss out Elland offering a direct service to customers rather than go slow around Elland.

Again operating a direct service to Leeds would be good completion from Centrebus via the M62/Stump Cross.

A corridor I find weird that's not got a limited stop service is Leeds to Wakefield. Don't get me wrong the 110 is great but if you want a fast direct service it just is there.

There was a direct service at one point - remember catching the Duple Tigers on the X36/X37 straight up Ainley Bank.

[kendall17]

I'd look at running a shuttle bus to the Headingley Carnegie Stadium from Woodhouse lane car parks. Its a fooking pain parking round HQ thesedays (proven last Fri when Wigan were in town and I turn up over an hour & 1/2 before kick off and took 15mins to find a spot in my usual area. Promoted in the right areas, this could easily be a success, especially with away fans. Return pick up at Queenswood drive (plenty of room) and follow the 56 route to Hyde Park, turning left onto Hyde Park road, right at Hyde Park lights and sorted. That way there is very little traffic to avoid (my route home back to East Leeds from the games)

[timelesstable]

Mar 21, 2013 12:34:54 GMT 1 kendall17 said:

I'd look at running a shuttle bus to the Headingley Carnegie Stadium from Woodhouse lane car parks. Its a fooking pain parking round HQ thesedays (proven last Fri when Wigan were in town and I turn up over an hour & 1/2 before kick off and took 15mins to find a spot in my usual area. Promoted in the right areas, this could easily be a success, especially with away fans. Return pick up at Queenswood drive (plenty of room) and follow the 56 route to Hyde Park, turning left onto Hyde Park road, right at Hyde Park lights and sorted. That way there is very little traffic to avoid (my route home back to East Leeds from the games)

One for some rather elderly Darts to run maybe

[kendall17]

Mar 21, 2013 12:42:25 GMT 1 timelesstable said:

Mar 21, 2013 12:34:54 GMT 1 kendall17 said:

I'd look at running a shuttle bus to the Headingley Carnegie Stadium from Woodhouse lane car parks. Its a fooking pain parking round HQ thesedays (proven last Fri when Wigan were in town and I turn up over an hour & 1/2 before kick off and took 15mins to find a spot in my usual area. Promoted in the right areas, this could easily be a success, especially with away fans. Return pick up at Queenswood drive (plenty of room) and follow the 56 route to Hyde Park, turning left onto Hyde Park road, right at Hyde Park lights and sorted. That way there is very little traffic to avoid (my route home back to East Leeds from the games)

One for some rather elderly Darts to run maybe

I was thinking more elderly Olympians myself.

Anyhow, thats my only idea that i'll be airing. If you want more in the Leeds area, i'll send you my Paypal details Matty.

[Deleted]

Mar 21, 2013 12:30:57 GMT 1 Arriva Wakefield said:

Mar 21, 2013 10:03:52 GMT 1 Jamie said:

Here is a idea...

A direct Halidax and Huddersfield service. Off the top of my head this would only take 30 minutes tops (except peak) unless the M62 gets snookered and miss out Elland offering a direct service to customers rather than go slow around Elland.

Again operating a direct service to Leeds would be good completion from Centrebus via the M62/Stump Cross.

A corridor I find weird that's not got a limited stop service is Leeds to Wakefield. Don't get me wrong the 110 is great but if you want a fast direct service it just is there.

There was a direct service at one point - remember catching the Duple Tigers on the X36/X37 straight up Ainley Bank.

yes & also HJC Tried a few year ago as well.


One route i think could be profitable is a owlcotes cnt > Bradford service,Firstbus service is awful & Geldards withdrew the service when loadings were picking it up,could easily do an hour round trip so get 5 darts/solos going cheap,brand them up & have service at around 15 min frequency,maybe do cheap returns between Thornbury & Bradford because You`d be going up against 72.Another thing i think could be a nice little earner for a smaller company is if someone did Sunday trips on X6,Its a pain going from Huddersfield to Leeds on a sunday as youve either got to all around Dewsbury (202/3) or Heckmondwike & Batley (229) or change at Bradford