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Post by Craig on Sept 13, 2007 22:03:12 GMT 1
Does anybody know what the plan is for the new services to Scholes and Barwick? There only seems to be sketchy details available, one main part involving a new link between Scholes and Barwick villages as well as revisions (I presume) to the current 5/64/68/68A network to Seacroft, Cross Gates and City centre?
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Post by Craig on Jan 26, 2008 17:41:39 GMT 1
While First are still 'umming and ahhing' over what exactly to do with these services, apparently Geldards are again considering venturing into stage carriage work with an off peak service connecting Aberford, Barwick and Scholes with Seacroft, Cross Gates and Colton, possibly to start at the next round of Changing Times in March.
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Post by jackh on Jan 30, 2008 22:42:46 GMT 1
While First are still 'umming and ahhing' over what exactly to do with these services, apparently Geldards are again considering venturing into stage carriage work with an off peak service connecting Aberford, Barwick and Scholes with Seacroft, Cross Gates and Colton, possibly to start at the next round of Changing Times in March. This is Geldards new service: PB1011774/98 GELDARDS COACHES LTD, 1 CHAPEL LA, ARMLEY , LEEDS, LS12 2DJ Registration Accepted: Starting Point: Aberford, Turning Circle Finish Point: Aberford, Turning Circle Via: Service Number: 69 Service Type: Normal Stopping Effective Date: 19-MAR-2008 Other Details: Term time, hourly service 0900 - 1500. Non term time - hourly service 0800 - 1600. No service for duration of Leeds Festival & bank holidays. |
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Post by Craig on Feb 7, 2008 20:36:07 GMT 1
The 69 circular route will be from Aberford via Barwick, Scholes, Seacroft Bus Station, Cross Gates, Colton, Garforth and then back to Aberford, and also the reverse of this circle. Apparently two buses will be used, each bus running hourly either way around the route.
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 8, 2008 20:01:41 GMT 1
suppose it could work could be hard to do it within an hour though, especially at rush hour! anyone know where in crossgates it stops?
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Post by humberside on Feb 10, 2008 18:22:24 GMT 1
I presume the 64 will be axed? What about peak time services to Aberford/Barwick?
Is the Geldards service commercial?
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 10, 2008 20:07:25 GMT 1
I presume the 64 will be axed? What about peak time services to Aberford/Barwick? Is the Geldards service commercial? 64 will stay as it connects Aberford/Barwick with leeds! can only see the new route working between Aberford& Barwick going to an from seacroft colton and garforth. 68A + 64 covers the area to crossgates and leeds. and fron seacroft there is a few routes in place to connect it with crossgates and colton. |
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Post by Craig on Feb 11, 2008 11:09:48 GMT 1
Why would the 64 be axed because of this?!
The Geldards operation is indeed commercial, which in today's climate is certainly unusual. First West Yorkshire don't get to be the 7th most profitable bus company by taking chances on off peak semi-rural routes, but I wish Geldards every success in their latest stage carriage enterprise.
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Post by humberside on Feb 16, 2008 10:43:33 GMT 1
Why would the 64 be axed because of this?! Because earlier in the thread it was said |
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Post by angrycommuter on Feb 28, 2008 14:15:21 GMT 1
Why do Geldard's pick obscure routes that have a slim chance of success? They chose to operate the 752 last year, but this was never a popular service when Black Prince ran it. I wish them every success, but feel that the Aberford circular will be a failure. I can't see many people wanting to use this service. They should look instead at running a parasite 64, 5 minutes in front of the First service to take the revenue. The 64 is always quite well loaded, so perhaps they could even complement it and run at quarter hour intervals with First.
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Post by Craig on May 11, 2008 16:53:50 GMT 1
According to VOSA the 69 service will be cancelled as of 20th June. Looks like 3 months operation is plenty enough for Geldards to realise the lack of potential in this route.
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Post by bc on May 11, 2008 18:45:47 GMT 1
According to VOSA the 69 service will be cancelled as of 20th June. Looks like 3 months operation is plenty enough for Geldards to realise the lack of potential in this route. Although it was always understood that this service was being introduced on a short-term 'use it or lose it' basis (as covered heavily in Scholes and Barwick village media), surely a little more perseverance is required by Geldards? No matter how much effort is made to market a new service (which I believe could have been more thorough in this case), it does take time for people to become aware of a new service and where it goes. There are now two instances of where Geldards has given up on what is quite a innovative route having run it for only a very short time period - I can't help but think that a good-sized market for the 752 could have been built up by now if Geldards had reintroduced it September last... |
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Post by mattyr88 on May 12, 2008 18:07:26 GMT 1
should bring back the 56/57 routes as they were 10 years ago!
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Post by kendall17 on May 12, 2008 18:52:22 GMT 1
should bring back the 56/57 routes as they were 10 years ago! why? isn't there enough buses that serve crossgates & aberford/scholes? stick a solo or minibus on an hourly route that the 69 is operating, lots more publicity and let the people know that the route is operating. |
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Post by mattyr88 on May 12, 2008 19:12:52 GMT 1
should bring back the 56/57 routes as they were 10 years ago! why? isn't there enough buses that serve crossgates & aberford/scholes? stick a solo or minibus on an hourly route that the 69 is operating, lots more publicity and let the people know that the route is operating. i was refferin more to the irland wood end of the journey. we could do with that connection to crossgates |
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Post by jackh on May 12, 2008 19:15:27 GMT 1
Is there such a demand for a direct link between the two as it isn't such a tedious process getting off the 18A at Headingley and waiting a few minutes top for a 56 to Cross Gates.
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Post by kendall17 on May 12, 2008 19:42:24 GMT 1
what does crossgates have that headingly doesn't? what'd make people from that neck o' woods want to come up here :S i couldn't see one thing that the headingly area doesn't have that crossgates does
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Post by mattyr88 on May 12, 2008 22:06:56 GMT 1
family! lol. yes could get 2 but it does cost more. especially durinf peak times.
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Post by kendall17 on May 13, 2008 18:24:09 GMT 1
family! lol. yes could get 2 but it does cost more. especially durinf peak times. for what it'd cost you for a peak day rider(on 18/56), wouldn't it be approx cheaper for a ticket from crossgates - ireland wood and return on the 56/57 |
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Post by Craig on May 18, 2008 15:40:22 GMT 1
I hardly feel that the Raynel estate is in desperate need of a direct bus link to Cross Gates, and probably isn't the highest priority on First's agenda.
Back to topic, it is a tricky dilemma to commentate on Geldards' actions. On one hand, I totally agree with "bc" that withdrawing routes very soon after introduction is unproductive, and indeed I still think the 752 had potential and should have been continued (look at First's success with the relaunched new 92 student route).
But with this 69 service, the villagers went to their local meetings and demanded it, they were given it and knew that they had been given it (Scholes and Barwick are after all local villages where people talk to each other), but didn't use it (because it wasn't a necessary bus and was only demanded by vote-chasing councillors and car drivers). Geldards were commercially foolhardy in the first place to introduce the 69 off the back of local complainers, but my hat still goes off to them for trying this service and proving the uselessness of this "much demanded necessary link".
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Post by Burnside on May 19, 2008 7:09:10 GMT 1
What i find funniest is they installed/replaced existing destination equipment with (what at least appears to be) new electronic displays, even the G reg Metrobus!
I like Geldards and if they try another route, good luck to them.
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