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Post by holland1987 on Feb 20, 2011 15:59:07 GMT 1
My opinion is
York - Harrogate (Always did fairly well, surely HCT can do York - Harrogate - Ripon)
York - Goole (Another route which vanished)
York - Driffield (Another route which vanished)
Leeds - Hull (What happened to EYMS Prisma in Leeds)
York - Robin Hoods Bay (An idea of Coastliner)
York - LBA (Relaunch the 787)
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Post by Matty on Feb 20, 2011 16:19:06 GMT 1
Leeds - Hull still exists with Stagecoach!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 20, 2011 16:20:40 GMT 1
York to Harrogate obviously didn't do well when 2 different companies stopped running it.
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Post by Jack on Feb 20, 2011 16:25:21 GMT 1
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 20, 2011 16:52:52 GMT 1
The routes that 'vanished', vanished for a reason...
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 20, 2011 16:54:46 GMT 1
The routes that 'vanished', vanished for a reason... Really |
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 20, 2011 17:16:35 GMT 1
The routes that 'vanished', vanished for a reason... Really P*ss off  The OP doesn't seem to grasp that. |
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 20, 2011 17:22:17 GMT 1
H&D explained why they dropped York to Harrogate due to the fact that the fare income (largely concessionaries) did not cover its operating costs. HCT had prior to that announced they would be dropping their own York to Harrogate services but kept them on due to H&Ds decision only to find the same income problems. There are however reports of an Airport-Harrogate-York service being looked at but it would need careful timetabling to ensure reliabilty.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 20, 2011 17:54:52 GMT 1
H&D explained why they dropped York to Harrogate due to the fact that the fare income (largely concessionaries) did not cover its operating costs. HCT had prior to that announced they would be dropping their own York to Harrogate services but kept them on due to H&Ds decision only to find the same income problems. There are however reports of an Airport-Harrogate-York service being looked at but it would need careful timetabling to ensure reliabilty. Looking at the cuts being proposed by Operators in North Yorkshire following the Councils decision to reduce the subsidy it is wanting to pay why would any operator look to introduce any changes which in effect increase the frequency of a currently viable service let alone try something new or reinvent past failures. |
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Post by sharksmith on Feb 20, 2011 20:18:26 GMT 1
Still need a replacement for the old X32, Leeds to Sheffield, if operated by First we could then have a workable First Day ticket for the whole of West & South Yorkshire.
I did wonder with the creation of the UK Greyhound brand if there might be some scope for a Manchester-Leeds-Sheffield route.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 20, 2011 20:42:26 GMT 1
Still need a replacement for the old X32, Leeds to Sheffield, if operated by First we could then have a workable First Day ticket for the whole of West & South Yorkshire. I did wonder with the creation of the UK Greyhound brand if there might be some scope for a Manchester-Leeds-Sheffield route. I thought the problems with the X32 was Metro & SYPTE were not prepared to support the service since it did not conform to revised legislation plus they were already supporting a complementary rail service |
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Post by sharksmith on Feb 20, 2011 20:49:14 GMT 1
I can only speak for the eighties when I was interested in buses the first time around, but at that time the service was always very well loaded, surely there must be some way to run some sort of service commercially, especially with Meadowhall in the route. I guess if it was cancelled there must have been problems though. First do seem to be gaining an appetite for coaching recently though so maybe I can live in hope.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 20, 2011 21:01:58 GMT 1
I can only speak for the eighties when I was interested in buses the first time around, but at that time the service was always very well loaded, surely there must be some way to run some sort of service commercially, especially with Meadowhall in the route. I guess if it was cancelled there must have been problems though. First do seem to be gaining an appetite for coaching recently though so maybe I can live in hope. It was even better when the White Rose first started, especially the direct X31 Sheffield Leeds service, it was much quicker than the train in those days, those Alexander Y-Type Leopards although my preference was the 3 Hebble AEC Reliances |
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 20, 2011 21:29:06 GMT 1
My opinion is York - Harrogate (Always did fairly well, surely HCT can do York - Harrogate - Ripon) York - Goole (Another route which vanished) York - Driffield (Another route which vanished) Leeds - Hull (What happened to EYMS Prisma in Leeds) York - Robin Hoods Bay (An idea of Coastliner) York - LBA (Relaunch the 787) York to Harrogate - the problem is that the route parallels a train service that runs every hour, including an evening and Sunday service. The train takes little more than half the time that the bus takes, and calls at most villages along the way so there isn't even a lot of intermediate traffic for the bus to pick up. Hence, the only people who used the bus were those travelling on free passes, which means that the operator doesn't get enough revenue to run the service because of the pittance they get through reimbursement. Given that there is an hourly train service, I'm not sure why there's any need for a bus route there. As for HCT diverting their service via Harrogate - forget it. That would lead to unnecessary duplication between Ripon and Harrogate, journey times extended by 15–20 minutes and the loss of services from Boroughbridge and about a dozen other villages that have no other public transport at all. Significant downsides, and the only benefit is that it fills an arbitrary gap that doesn't need filling. York to Goole didn't vanish, it just got split at Selby, because it was awkward for the operator and confusing for passengers having some journeys running through Selby. The current system of changing at Selby works fine for the little traffic there is between Goole and York - bear in mind that the main regional centres for Goole are Hull and Doncaster, not York. York to Driffield still runs as part of the EYMS 744, with up to 5 direct journeys a day plus a handful of others by connections at Pocklington. Most journeys continue beyond Driffield to Bridlington. Leeds to Hull still runs as the Stagecoach X62. York to Robin Hood's Bay ... which way? You either run it as an extension of the Whitby service or the Scarborough service, and either way you are then duplicating the good (hourly in winter, half-hourly in summer) Arriva 93 service over that section. The benefits of through running for the handful of passengers making the journey come nowhere close to the inconvenience and additional operating costs. York to Leeds-Bratford Airport was tried, re-tried and withdrawn, because whether they went for the fast route or the route via Knaresborough, it wasn't making enough money. Given that LBA has lost air traffic routes since then, on what cloud cuckoo planet would it make sense to reinstigate a route that has already failed? <fx: wonders if he's just been trolled> |
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Feb 21, 2011 1:46:59 GMT 1
How come A Huddersfield To Rochdale route doesnt exist, No existing link between the 2 places.Huddersfield has a link between Oldham and Manchester with 184. Halifax and Rochdale are linked with the 528 and 590.
So why not Huddersfield and Rochdale, there could be some opportunity in the route. ;D lol
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Post by jc on Feb 21, 2011 4:16:30 GMT 1
How come A Huddersfield To Rochdale route doesnt exist, No existing link between the 2 places.Huddersfield has a link between Oldham and Manchester with 184. Halifax and Rochdale are linked with the 528 and 590. So why not Huddersfield and Rochdale, there could be some opportunity in the route. ;D lol It's times like this you wonder if Metro will come to the realisation that they've bitten off more than they can chew with Quality Contracts, should that ever come to fruition! |
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Post by SF07 on Feb 21, 2011 10:58:58 GMT 1
How come A Huddersfield To Rochdale route doesnt exist, No existing link between the 2 places.Huddersfield has a link between Oldham and Manchester with 184. Halifax and Rochdale are linked with the 528 and 590. So why not Huddersfield and Rochdale, there could be some opportunity in the route. ;D lol More chance of the Halifax-Oldham route coming back, be it as a 562 or an extension of First Manchester's 83, copying the 184 idea. Although, it could be an idea for Centrebus to improve their links between Halifax and Huddersfield by extending the 528. Or, you would have to run the 900 route to Ripponden and then over the tops via Littleborough. 900 is actually mentioned in the GMPTE map for Rochdale, as it technically runs in Greater Manchester, although doesn't stop in the area. Get the feeling there aren't many routes that don't exist that people might want because they either do exist or did exist and have been withdrawn, as I imagine people would want to see routes return like: *Bradford-Otley/Ilkley (regular timetable compared to TLC's 653) *Bradford-Harrogate *Halifax-Keighley *Halifax-Oldham *Huddersfield-Barnsley (regular timetable like Yorkshire Traction's 235/236) *Leeds/Bradford-Barnsley-Sheffield *Leeds-Holmfirth Some other suggestions: *If the possibly new Halifax-Leeds service is quick, would it be viable to extend some journeys to Hebden Bridge and Todmorden? *Leeds to South Elmsall and/or Hemsworth via Wakefield or Pontefract *Link First WY and First SY by introducing a Monday-Saturday daytime service of the 57 or X57 in West Yorkshire, to replicate Stagecoach's Sunday service between Holmfirth and Sheffield, and extend it to Huddersfield *Better links from other towns to the airport |
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Post by Craig on Feb 21, 2011 18:42:40 GMT 1
One thing I notice is that a lot of the suggestions coming forward are for long distance routes, some even duplicating existing rail links. I do wonder if perhaps history has taught us the lesson that bus travel is more successful when confined to more shorter urban journeys and that this perhaps should be the focus for any future expansion plans.
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 21, 2011 19:34:13 GMT 1
How come A Huddersfield To Rochdale route doesnt exist, No existing link between the 2 places.Huddersfield has a link between Oldham and Manchester with 184. Halifax and Rochdale are linked with the 528 and 590. So why not Huddersfield and Rochdale, there could be some opportunity in the route. ;D lolIve often pondered this one myself. In one of the previous fantasy bus route posts it was suggested the First 370/1/2 Hudds to Lindley could extend to Rochdale on certain journeys, going up to Outlane then following the A640 to Denshaw and New Hey and Milnrow. I thought that was an excellent idea as it would link the small communities of Nont Sarahs etc directly with the HRI. One major factor which could determine the commercial success of this route, would be the fact there is no direct rail link between Huddersfield and Rochdale. However i dont think a hudds to rochdale service using the A62/existing 181-185 paths would be viable, as the purple line serves hudds to marsden every 15 mins anyway, extending to Oldham and Piccadilly hourly(184). and there are plenty of routes linking Oldham and Rochdale, before long Metrolink as well. |
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 21, 2011 19:52:24 GMT 1
Bradford-Harrogate direct would be a 747 767 link up which might be worth trying.
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Post by glennh2 on Feb 21, 2011 21:54:14 GMT 1
Halifax and Brighouse have no link to White Rose
So how about Halifax-Brighouse-M62-White Rose-Leeds but via the direct route from Halifax to Brighouse not the long winded route the old M62 used to take?
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Post by fwybuses on Feb 22, 2011 14:19:26 GMT 1
Bradford-Harrogate direct would be a 747 767 link up which might be worth trying. That's what i've always thought. Link up to airport routes, with the potential to capture other passenger's who want to travel to bradford or harrogate. Surprised first didn't give it a try tbh. However, they may then have to cut of yeadon to keep journey times down. So another new service going Bradford-Yeadon (or extend 947 into Yeadon town). |
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Post by SF07 on Feb 22, 2011 15:19:27 GMT 1
Bradford-Harrogate direct would be a 747 767 link up which might be worth trying. That's what i've always thought. Link up to airport routes, with the potential to capture other passenger's who want to travel to bradford or harrogate. Surprised first didn't give it a try tbh. However, they may then have to cut of yeadon to keep journey times down. So another new service going Bradford-Yeadon (or extend 947 into Yeadon town). What about merging the 737 and 767? Would take about 80-90 mins to do full route, 3 hours for a round trip. Although, if the 737 or 747 did get extended to Harrogate, then the other service would have to be retimed given the interworking at the airport between the two |
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Post by Burnside on Feb 23, 2011 10:42:56 GMT 1
There should be a daytime link between Bradford and Ilkley, especially for when the trains go t*ts up
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Post by fwybuses on Feb 23, 2011 13:28:32 GMT 1
Route between Leeds and Lanswood peak times only. Help out 1/96/97/28 who can't really cope with headingley madness and Local passengers.
47- Leeds-Moortown Corner-Wigton Moor every half hour.
and Something to cover the 48 on the south section. Maybe extend that to replace the 11.
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