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Post by billycarne on Jan 29, 2011 23:33:44 GMT 1
i thought it would be interesting to find out what model buses are limited to what speeds or what thier top speed is. From traveling on buses it does seem that their top speed varies quite a bit.
apperently the alx300s can reach around 70mph. is this true?
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Post by Burnside on Jan 30, 2011 0:47:29 GMT 1
I've been on a Plaxton Excalibur bodied Volvo B10M which has touched 65mph
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jan 30, 2011 1:16:20 GMT 1
alx300s probably could do in high gear downhill
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 30, 2011 9:47:29 GMT 1
i thought it would be interesting to find out what model buses are limited to what speeds or what thier top speed is. From traveling on buses it does seem that their top speed varies quite a bit. apperently the alx300s can reach around 70mph. is this true? That is suppose to be true, it's all down to a high ratio in the back axle coupled to the smooth action gearbox. I think the first 15/6 which have ZF gearboxes are slightly faster than the latter ones which have Voith ones |
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Jan 30, 2011 9:58:12 GMT 1
I've been on a Plaxton Excalibur bodied Volvo B10M which has touched 65mph Think most coaches have a speed limiter set at 65mph. Noticed stickers on the driver"s window with a message about this |
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 30, 2011 10:17:46 GMT 1
The Arriva Spectras 624-641 57 mph
the low floor versions 700-723 52 mph
The engines in 624-641 will rev slightly higher than their low floor brother.
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Post by Matty on Jan 30, 2011 13:38:27 GMT 1
The 3 Speed Low-Floor Spectras are a lot slower than the 4 speed, I'm sure the 4 speed ones are limited to 56 because they seem a lot faster than the 3 speed ones, this is from previous experiences on the 229, 189 & 410 routes, Them are the 3 routes where the driver is more than likely to reach the limiter & get some thrash as I get on them whenever i have a chance because they are one of my favourite type of Modern bus and sound just as good as a Metrobus... One of HJC's Metrobuses BYX 248V could reach 50 easily, but it started to show it's age & unfortunatly was withdrawn  Another thing aswell, I got on a ALX400 on the 410 the other day & I'm pretty sure it wasn't limited at all, because it just didn't stop getting faster & it seemed to be doing about 65ish |
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 30, 2011 14:52:34 GMT 1
The 3 Speed Low-Floor Spectras are a lot slower than the 4 speed, I'm sure the 4 speed ones are limited to 56 because they seem a lot faster than the 3 speed ones, this is from previous experiences on the 229, 189 & 410 routes, Them are the 3 routes where the driver is more than likely to reach the limiter & get some thrash as I get on them whenever i have a chance because they are one of my favourite type of Modern bus and sound just as good as a Metrobus... One of HJC's Metrobuses BYX 248V could reach 50 easily, but it started to show it's age & unfortunatly was withdrawn Another thing aswell, I got on a ALX400 on the 410 the other day & I'm pretty sure it wasn't limited at all, because it just didn't stop getting faster & it seemed to be doing about 65ish When the final drive line is the same in the 3 or 4 speed gearbox then the 4 speed will not go any faster, it might just get there a bit quicker. If you want to go faster in those circumstances you will only achieve by easing the governer slightly to get from 52 to 57 you would have increase the engine speed by 10%. That will not happen. I would love to know where the ALX400 got to 65mph, I'm sure the Police and VOSA would too. |
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Post by nickfoster on Jan 30, 2011 16:29:52 GMT 1
The ALX 400's do seem to be pretty nippy. Anybody got any idea what Arriva Yorkshire bus would the be the fastest? Would think Hecky's eclipses are probably up there.
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 30, 2011 19:00:18 GMT 1
The ALX 400's do seem to be pretty nippy. Anybody got any idea what Arriva Yorkshire bus would the be the fastest? Would think Hecky's eclipses are probably up there. With all the current speed restrictions and fuel monitoring kit on each one most compatable one will be simular. If the same question was posed a couple of years ago and providing they were still geared the same as when they arrived I would have gone for the two old ex SYM Olympians 615, 616 |
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Post by Matty on Jan 30, 2011 22:04:44 GMT 1
The ALX 400's do seem to be pretty nippy. Anybody got any idea what Arriva Yorkshire bus would the be the fastest? Would think Hecky's eclipses are probably up there. I can safely say Hecky's Eclipses are top of the list, as I have been 40 up that hill out of Cleckheaton on one. |
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Post by Matty on Jan 30, 2011 22:09:21 GMT 1
The 3 Speed Low-Floor Spectras are a lot slower than the 4 speed, I'm sure the 4 speed ones are limited to 56 because they seem a lot faster than the 3 speed ones, this is from previous experiences on the 229, 189 & 410 routes, Them are the 3 routes where the driver is more than likely to reach the limiter & get some thrash as I get on them whenever i have a chance because they are one of my favourite type of Modern bus and sound just as good as a Metrobus... One of HJC's Metrobuses BYX 248V could reach 50 easily, but it started to show it's age & unfortunatly was withdrawn Another thing aswell, I got on a ALX400 on the 410 the other day & I'm pretty sure it wasn't limited at all, because it just didn't stop getting faster & it seemed to be doing about 65ish When the final drive line is the same in the 3 or 4 speed gearbox then the 4 speed will not go any faster, it might just get there a bit quicker. If you want to go faster in those circumstances you will only achieve by easing the governer slightly to get from 52 to 57 you would have increase the engine speed by 10%. That will not happen. I would love to know where the ALX400 got to 65mph, I'm sure the Police and VOSA would too. The 3 Speed Voith's rev higher than the 4 Speed & flat out can acheive a faster speed. It was somewhere on the 410 route, don't know what road exactly but it was one where the speed limit was 60, but it seemed to be going faster than that at the time. |
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Post by Burnside on Jan 31, 2011 7:57:04 GMT 1
I have always found, from a passengers perspective, that road speed always seems faster on a bus than in a car.
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 31, 2011 9:00:03 GMT 1
When the final drive line is the same in the 3 or 4 speed gearbox then the 4 speed will not go any faster, it might just get there a bit quicker. If you want to go faster in those circumstances you will only achieve by easing the governer slightly to get from 52 to 57 you would have increase the engine speed by 10%. That will not happen. I would love to know where the ALX400 got to 65mph, I'm sure the Police and VOSA would too. The 3 Speed Voith's rev higher than the 4 Speed & flat out can acheive a faster speed. It was somewhere on the 410 route, don't know what road exactly but it was one where the speed limit was 60, but it seemed to be going faster than that at the time. I'm still perplexed how the same power unit with same fuel pump and injectors will rev higher when coupled to a 3 Speed Voith gearbox than when coupled to a 4 speed Voith. I must be missing some HJC Glasses to look at it, I might see the difference then |
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 31, 2011 9:06:54 GMT 1
When the final drive line is the same in the 3 or 4 speed gearbox then the 4 speed will not go any faster, it might just get there a bit quicker. If you want to go faster in those circumstances you will only achieve by easing the governer slightly to get from 52 to 57 you would have increase the engine speed by 10%. That will not happen. I would love to know where the ALX400 got to 65mph, I'm sure the Police and VOSA would too. It was somewhere on the 410 route, don't know what road exactly but it was one where the speed limit was 60, but it seemed to be going faster than that at the time. Somewhere on the Dual carriageway then? |
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Post by billycarne on Jan 31, 2011 15:12:56 GMT 1
The 3 Speed Voith's rev higher than the 4 Speed & flat out can acheive a faster speed. It was somewhere on the 410 route, don't know what road exactly but it was one where the speed limit was 60, but it seemed to be going faster than that at the time. I'm still perplexed how the same power unit with same fuel pump and injectors will rev higher when coupled to a 3 Speed Voith gearbox than when coupled to a 4 speed Voith. I must be missing some HJC Glasses to look at it, I might see the difference then its to do with the gear ratios. wider ratios means that you can cover more speed in the gears. and also where the rev limters are set in the ECU. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 1, 2011 0:18:59 GMT 1
The ALX 400's do seem to be pretty nippy. Anybody got any idea what Arriva Yorkshire bus would the be the fastest? Would think Hecky's eclipses are probably up there. I can safely say Hecky's Eclipses are top of the list, as I have been 40 up that hill out of Cleckheaton on one. I hope not as Spen Lane is riddled with 30mph speed cameras. |
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Post by billycarne on Feb 2, 2011 0:25:47 GMT 1
some good feedback on this thread. the alx200 darts can achieve some rather high speeds
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Post by Matty on Feb 2, 2011 20:55:24 GMT 1
I can safely say Hecky's Eclipses are top of the list, as I have been 40 up that hill out of Cleckheaton on one. I hope not as Spen Lane is riddled with 30mph speed cameras. Yes it did, i was sat at the front looking at the speedo & he went 40 if not over. This is the hill in question: tinyurl.com/697mz73 |
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 2, 2011 21:15:07 GMT 1
I hope not as Spen Lane is riddled with 30mph speed cameras. Yes it did, i was sat at the front looking at the speedo & he went 40 if not over. This is the hill in question: tinyurl.com/697mz73Spen Lane, it could be 40 at the bottom out of Cleckheaton the first Camera is towards the top it would have slowed down a little by then |
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Post by Matty on Feb 2, 2011 21:37:05 GMT 1
Yes the first camera is at the top of the hill when it gets flat, he slowed down just before. lol
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Post by Danny on Feb 3, 2011 13:54:34 GMT 1
It was somewhere on the 410 route, don't know what road exactly but it was one where the speed limit was 60, but it seemed to be going faster than that at the time. It was on Methley Lane from Oulton - Metheley, it's 50 MPH on that road. |
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 3, 2011 14:12:19 GMT 1
It was somewhere on the 410 route, don't know what road exactly but it was one where the speed limit was 60, but it seemed to be going faster than that at the time. It was on Methley Lane from Oulton - Metheley, it's 50 MPH on that road. That's a single carriageway road so irrespective of wether it is restricted all single carriageway roads are 50 MPH max for buses and coaches, that why I asked earlier which bit of Dual Carriageway it was on. |
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Post by danielnew on Feb 3, 2011 18:49:07 GMT 1
The Optare Tempo has to be the fastest, I'm sure one was lacking a limiter/or had a faulty speedo as I was sat up front along the York Road with the speedo recording 65 and it certainly felt it, that was around a year ago now. Certainly a quick motor, the Olympus also is faster than most deckers, try a 110 at about 2000 off Wakefield to Leeds when its about 10 mins late! I must say that Yorkshire has its fair share of quick roads and quick drivers compared to other parts of England.
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Post by Matty on Feb 3, 2011 22:38:37 GMT 1
Centrebus's MAN Engined 59 Reg Solo's in Halifax are the fastest accelerating buses I have ever been on, they can get up to 70mph on the 528 so I hear off the drivers.MAN
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