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Post by northrob on Jan 19, 2010 12:12:11 GMT 1
Observed on the 58 (York - Thirsk) this morning was 5753 PF, a Dennis Lance SLF(?)/Berkhof in all over white.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 17, 2019 23:05:28 GMT 1
Bus operator John Smith and Son Ltd has told North Yorkshire County Council that it will not be in a position to operate its county council contracts from this afternoon, 17 January. The company operated 14 school and one local bus service under contract to the council. The council’s integrated passenger transport team has made emergency alternative arrangements with other local providers who will operate the home-to-school transport services with immediate effect to ensure that pupils entitled to free transport will be able to get to and from school. The local bus service 150 previously operated by John Smith and Son Ltd on Thursdays and Saturdays between Thirsk and Ripon will not operate on 19 January. The council is reviewing its options for this service in future and is hopeful that some level of service can be reinstated. Details will be posted on the council website when the council has concluded its review. North Yorkshire County Council assistant director Ian Fielding said: “Our team has worked hard to make sure the school bus services continue to operate and we will be working closely with schools as we seek to make permanent alternative arrangements.’’ www.northyorks.gov.uk/news/article/school-bus-service-arrangements |
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Post by jc on Jan 18, 2019 20:55:49 GMT 1
I'd have thought school bus contracts are the most regular, dependable income a bus operator could have. Then again margins will be tight with most of the fleet running a peak hours only.
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Post by neukit on Jan 19, 2019 1:12:47 GMT 1
I'd have thought school bus contracts are the most regular, dependable income a bus operator could have. Then again margins will be tight with most of the fleet running a peak hours only. In some areas daily rates can be very low, with traditional coach operators often pricing rather low, hoping that they’ll get sufficient work outwith school times to cover all their costs. North Yorkshire appears to be such an area. Larger operators tend to work the other way, costing everything (fixed vehicle costs etc) against the school contract, and then perhaps running some service work off-peak at marginal cost. This often suits the local authority too, hence why some allow packaging, and tender suitable school/service work at the same time. However, some are led by their procurement people, who often frown upon such common sense! |
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Post by jc on Jan 19, 2019 3:05:27 GMT 1
In some areas daily rates can be very low, with traditional coach operators often pricing rather low, hoping that they’ll get sufficient work outwith school times to cover all their costs. North Yorkshire appears to be such an area. Larger operators tend to work the other way, costing everything (fixed vehicle costs etc) against the school contract, and then perhaps running some service work off-peak at marginal cost. This often suits the local authority too, hence why some allow packaging, and tender suitable school/service work at the same time. However, some are led by their procurement people, who often frown upon such common sense! NYCC apply that logic to some of their own operations, agree it would be more beneficial for them to package lower volume school work with local bus service to make a full diagram for a DDA compliant minibus. Going back to JSS though, as of a few years ago they had a number of ageing deckers and coaches which wouldn't be suited to private hire or local bus work, so I can't imagine they would have priced in any additional work for those buses. Just seems odd that they shut up shop rather than cut back. |
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Post by jc on Jan 24, 2019 21:14:29 GMT 1
NYCC are running the 150 themselves on Mondays and Thursdays with all trips timed to take people to/from Ripon 65 minutes end to end. www.northyorkstravel.info/timetable/150jan19.pdfFunny one that route, when you look at it on a map (and consider the 70 takes only 38 minutes Thirsk to Ripon also via Sharow) it begs the question why it starts in Thirsk and doesn't run to/via Boroughbridge. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 25, 2019 23:55:59 GMT 1
NYCC are running the 150 themselves on Mondays and Thursdays with all trips timed to take people to/from Ripon 65 minutes end to end. www.northyorkstravel.info/timetable/150jan19.pdfFunny one that route, when you look at it on a map (and consider the 70 takes only 38 minutes Thirsk to Ripon also via Sharow) it begs the question why it starts in Thirsk and doesn't run to/via Boroughbridge. There are already more regular buses between Boroughbridge and Ripon than there are between Thirsk and Ripon, and the infrequency of the service on the 70 means it can be worth getting a bus on a more circuitous route sometimes if the alternative is a long wait for a 70. |
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Post by jc on Jan 26, 2019 2:17:15 GMT 1
NYCC are running the 150 themselves on Mondays and Thursdays with all trips timed to take people to/from Ripon 65 minutes end to end. www.northyorkstravel.info/timetable/150jan19.pdfFunny one that route, when you look at it on a map (and consider the 70 takes only 38 minutes Thirsk to Ripon also via Sharow) it begs the question why it starts in Thirsk and doesn't run to/via Boroughbridge. There are already more regular buses between Boroughbridge and Ripon than there are between Thirsk and Ripon, and the infrequency of the service on the 70 means it can be worth getting a bus on a more circuitous route sometimes if the alternative is a long wait for a 70. It looks like they've more or less avoided that scenario. Thirsk to Ripon - 150 dep 1000 arr 1105, 70 dep 1037 arr 1115. Ripon to Thirsk - 150 dep 1325 arr 1430, 70 dep 1340 arr 1421. Was thinking Boroughbridge would be an alternative destination to justify running from Thirsk but then I don't know what NYCC look for in a suitable destination - it has shops, pubs, a Post Office and a surgery? |
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 26, 2019 20:18:41 GMT 1
Is not the 150 a long standing route dating back to Uniteds operation of it and no doubt at some point had working(s) timed in the opposing direction.
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Post by jc on Jan 27, 2019 3:46:03 GMT 1
Is not the 150 a long standing route dating back to Uniteds operation of it and no doubt at some point had working(s) timed in the opposing direction. A few years back the Saturday service included a morning Thirkleby-Sessay-Thirsk journey which makes more sense, running B>A>B>C>B gives journey options in both directions and essentially makes it 2 services joined in the centre. |
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