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Post by nickfoster on Aug 16, 2009 18:53:41 GMT 1
Just seen on Look North that a bus was stolen and was driven through West and South Yorkshire and came to a stop on the M1 J39 after the police put a stinger down. I actually saw the bus and it looked like an arriva ALX 200. Anyone have any more info?
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Post by Matty on Aug 16, 2009 19:08:45 GMT 1
It said on Calender that it had been stolen from Wakefield.
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Post by A1YBG on Aug 16, 2009 20:34:05 GMT 1
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Post by T101VWU on Aug 16, 2009 20:45:34 GMT 1
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Post by nickfoster on Aug 16, 2009 20:54:27 GMT 1
I wonder how they got hold of the bus in the first place and how they managed to start it up and drive it away without anyone noticing.
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Post by Matty on Aug 16, 2009 21:18:26 GMT 1
Sunday isn't it, No-one would be about. If it is parked up in the Bus Station, a Reflective vest and a bag is all you need to make yourself look like a bus driver and away you go.
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Post by nick on Aug 16, 2009 21:28:24 GMT 1
Its the starting the engine that i think nick was referring to. I have seen drivers (who are trained) sometimes struggle starting Volvo B9TL engines, so how these started the engine i will never know. Also wouldn't it be much harder to drive a bus because of the steering axle been behind the driver (unlike a car which is in front), so how did they get were they did with out training, and without causing serious incident i will never know.
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Post by topman on Aug 16, 2009 21:41:14 GMT 1
Did one (or two) of our lovely forum members get a little over-enthusiastic?
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Post by busman3 on Aug 16, 2009 21:42:37 GMT 1
in south yorks in the late 70s / 80s there were huge amounts of buses stolen however due tot he large amount of drivers who had been trained and then left the industry there was a large amount of people who knew how to drive. Nickng buses as gone on for ages about 4 yers agot there was aspate of buses been nicked round aldershot and been found in the glossop area it occures all over
20 years ago a man was arested for nicking a nat ex coach he was only caught because he had left the reversing lights on and a police car stopped to tell him
as for not notiing to most people its just a coach / bus been moved
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Post by nickfoster on Aug 16, 2009 21:58:35 GMT 1
Yes I was more so referring on getting the engine started I would have thought that in this day in age that there would be precautions so that this thing doesn't happen... saying that I'm not at all surprised that it happened at Wakefield as it is very easy to get your hands on a bus as many times buses are parked up in the bays at the bottom of the station with the doors open so its easy for a member of the public just walk onto a bus get into the cab press a button and away they go. I think this might be a wake up call for Arriva and they may start stepping up bus security in Wakefield. I'm sure there will be a investigation into this further. Its the starting the engine that i think nick was referring to. I have seen drivers (who are trained) sometimes struggle starting Volvo B9TL engines, so how these started the engine i will never know. Also wouldn't it be much harder to drive a bus because of the steering axle been behind the driver (unlike a car which is in front), so how did they get were they did with out training, and without causing serious incident i will never know.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 16, 2009 22:56:01 GMT 1
Even if the doors were shut, all you'd need to do is press a button to open them
I wouldn't say Arriva needed to step up security or anything like that
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Post by kendall17 on Aug 17, 2009 9:23:51 GMT 1
There have been some precautions been put in place from manufacturers i.e having to pull the indicator stick to turn on the ignition.
Its easily done though, look at any bus station, drivers are laying over and leaving their vehicles to go get food etc.
I remember when the Godson's Merc Hispano was fully locked up and still stolen!
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Post by Matty on Aug 17, 2009 9:39:06 GMT 1
On Darts all you do to start it is twist a knob on the dashboard and away you go. It was probably planned and they have probably got on a bus a previous day and say talked to the driver when the engine was off and watched him start it up so they knew how to do it straight away.
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Post by nick on Aug 17, 2009 10:41:23 GMT 1
I wouldn't say Arriva needed to step up security or anything like that Maybe a wake up for Arriva but as you say, no fault of them. Who the blame mainly lies with in my opinion is Metro. Ever since the Dual Door incident at LCBS last year i think, they now a security guy who walks all over the bus station and all the drivers know him and vice versa.About time this happened all over West Yorkshire's big bus stations. I would also say that the choice of uniform by arriva could be partly to blame. A Black T-shirt, Black Jacket and Black Trousers. Sorry but if you have the T-Shirt and Trousers (even black jeans) a high vis jacket and a bag, your look like an arriva driver. Bit hard to pinch a bus in LCBS as they all were Blue etc
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Post by 37228 on Aug 17, 2009 12:40:18 GMT 1
The problem is that these days you can buy a uniform from ebay and if you were wearing it nobody would know they would just think a new starter ive just been looking on ebay and you can almost buy a full Arriva uniform on there.
At First they have started to clamp down on people selling uniform
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Post by Penfold on Aug 17, 2009 15:42:22 GMT 1
At First they have started to clamp down on people selling uniform They have at AY too. Penfold
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Post by Penfold on Aug 17, 2009 15:47:13 GMT 1
I wouldn't say Arriva needed to step up security or anything like that I would also say that the choice of uniform by arriva could be partly to blame. A Black T-shirt, Black Jacket and Black Trousers. Sorry but if you have the T-Shirt and Trousers (even black jeans) a high vis jacket and a bag, your look like an arriva driver. Bit hard to pinch a bus in LCBS as they all were Blue etc Black ?. Mine was blue when I put it on this morning ! Penfold
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Post by nick on Aug 17, 2009 15:55:23 GMT 1
But from a far distance(IE in the actually bus station) you cant tell the difference between Navy Blue and Black.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Aug 17, 2009 16:24:19 GMT 1
On Darts all you do to start it is twist a knob on the dashboard and away you go. It was probably planned and they have probably got on a bus a previous day and say talked to the driver when the engine was off and watched him start it up so they knew how to do it straight away. Don"t buses have ignition keys?
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Post by Matty on Aug 17, 2009 17:58:00 GMT 1
No they don't, just a master switch somewhere. I know the "My Buses" do though.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 17, 2009 18:14:12 GMT 1
I wouldn't say Arriva needed to step up security or anything like that Maybe a wake up for Arriva but as you say, no fault of them. Who the blame mainly lies with in my opinion is Metro. Ever since the Dual Door incident at LCBS last year i think, they now a security guy who walks all over the bus station and all the drivers know him and vice versa.About time this happened all over West Yorkshire's big bus stations. Metro don't run Wakefield Bus Station, and even if they did, I don't know what they'd have to do with it
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Post by T101VWU on Aug 17, 2009 18:25:15 GMT 1
i heard the bus involved as arriva MPD 218.
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 17, 2009 21:50:36 GMT 1
i heard the bus involved as arriva MPD 218. Yes it was 218, it taken from Stand 11, I think that's the correct one it was on the 117 the Leeds. The 117 is a 3 hour return trip to Leeds so there is always a driver change in Wakefield and it was just business as usual in terms of one driver brings it in and leaves it on the stand ready for the next one to take over.
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 17, 2009 21:54:22 GMT 1
Given the route it took out of Wakefield it is possible that it was taken by someone who knew the route since it left Wakefield in that general direction.
I understand it was forced towards the M1 and onto it by the Police who had already closed the M1 in order to contain and stop it.
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Post by nickfoster on Aug 17, 2009 22:03:44 GMT 1
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