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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 24, 2024 14:16:18 GMT 1
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Post by Pricel on Aug 24, 2024 14:52:07 GMT 1
Which link is it for the images? Kind of having a hard time understanding some of the planning documents. |
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Post by shelf81 on Aug 24, 2024 16:44:30 GMT 1
Which link is it for the images? Kind of having a hard time understanding some of the planning documents. Under 'Plans & Drawings', click on 'Other' & all 11 show different bits. Has the Huddersfield refurbishment jumped ahead of Dewsbury? Dewsbury's was meant to happen during this autumn & be completed by the new year but seems to have gone very quiet recently. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 24, 2024 19:42:32 GMT 1
Which link is it for the images? Kind of having a hard time understanding some of the planning documents. Under 'Plans & Drawings', click on 'Other' & all 11 show different bits. Has the Huddersfield refurbishment jumped ahead of Dewsbury? Dewsbury's was meant to happen during this autumn & be completed by the new year but seems to have gone very quiet recently. Seems to be the case with any major project, complete silence for months or years and then out of no where it rapidly picks up. Probably a stupid amounts of legal and planning paperwork that needs to go on behind the scenes |
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Post by shelf81 on Aug 24, 2024 20:11:45 GMT 1
Under 'Plans & Drawings', click on 'Other' & all 11 show different bits. Has the Huddersfield refurbishment jumped ahead of Dewsbury? Dewsbury's was meant to happen during this autumn & be completed by the new year but seems to have gone very quiet recently. Seems to be the case with any major project, complete silence for months or years and then out of no where it rapidly picks up. Probably a stupid amounts of legal and planning paperwork that needs to go on behind the scenes Just seems odd that the planning has been submitted for Huddersfield but I don't think it has yet for Dewsbury when Dewsbury was meant to be happening first. Was it mentioned before that with the refurbishment there would be less stands? Looking at a few of the PDFs (ID 1054723,1054721,1054727) there will only be stands A-V with additional space after Stands E & M put in for what look like they could be for drivers to use when walking to/from the layover area. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 24, 2024 20:38:55 GMT 1
I’m not even sure Huddersfield Bus Station needs refurbishment
The ‘before’ photos hardly make the place look derelict, all they need to do is spend money on a bit of a deep clean every once in a while
It says the bus station entrance attracts anti social behaviour, which is true, but a fancy new entrance won’t fix that. You’d just have the same dodgy characters hanging around whatever the entrance
They also want to hide the concrete car park, I actually think those long clean lines of the 1970s brutalist architecture actually looks ok. Like a mini Preston bus station. There are a lot worse examples of this era, like the Kirkgate Centre in Bradford.
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 24, 2024 22:17:21 GMT 1
But then that begs the question when does something need a refurbishment?
This country seem to have this really anti-growth mentality where you should only improve something once it is a hazard or stops functioning.
The station is full of wear and tear, looks old, is old, and it is simply undesirable. A refurbishment is very much overdue especially when you are trying to change the perception of public transport!
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Post by Pricel on Aug 24, 2024 23:28:27 GMT 1
I’m not even sure Huddersfield Bus Station needs refurbishment The ‘before’ photos hardly make the place look derelict, all they need to do is spend money on a bit of a deep clean every once in a while It says the bus station entrance attracts anti social behaviour, which is true, but a fancy new entrance won’t fix that. You’d just have the same dodgy characters hanging around whatever the entrance They also want to hide the concrete car park, I actually think those long clean lines of the 1970s brutalist architecture actually looks ok. Like a mini Preston bus station. There are a lot worse examples of this era, like the Kirkgate Centre in Bradford. I'd say Huddersfield needs it, the interior looks like a public toilet and even an American vlogger who explored the town on YouTube described it as "third world" |
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Post by shelf81 on Aug 24, 2024 23:29:55 GMT 1
But then that begs the question when does something need a refurbishment? This country seem to have this really anti-growth mentality where you should only improve something once it is a hazard or stops functioning. The station is full of wear and tear, looks old, is old, and it is simply undesirable. A refurbishment is very much overdue especially when you are trying to change the perception of public transport! I'm 50/50, half of me agrees with you (although can you call this refurbishment 'wanting growth' when your reducing stand capacity?) plus as these last few years has proven, getting it built now will save money compared to doing it in a few years time when the cost will no doubt of gone up a fairly large amount again. The other half of me wonders if making Bradford the priority & focusing all resources there would be better, as at least Huddersfield bus station works even if looking dated. |
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Post by mattb7tl on Aug 24, 2024 23:46:58 GMT 1
But then that begs the question when does something need a refurbishment? This country seem to have this really anti-growth mentality where you should only improve something once it is a hazard or stops functioning. The station is full of wear and tear, looks old, is old, and it is simply undesirable. A refurbishment is very much overdue especially when you are trying to change the perception of public transport! I'm 50/50, half of me agrees with you (although can you call this refurbishment 'wanting growth' when your reducing stand capacity?) plus as these last few years has proven, getting it built now will save money compared to doing it in a few years time when the cost will no doubt of gone up a fairly large amount again. The other half of me wonders if making Bradford the priority & focusing all resources there would be better, as at least Huddersfield bus station works even if looking dated. The authority doesn't have anything to focus on with the interchange because the surveys have not been completed. And for once it isn't a game of pick and choose with them mentioning in an article that they have the money for a replacement. |
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Post by shelf81 on Aug 24, 2024 23:59:42 GMT 1
I'm 50/50, half of me agrees with you (although can you call this refurbishment 'wanting growth' when your reducing stand capacity?) plus as these last few years has proven, getting it built now will save money compared to doing it in a few years time when the cost will no doubt of gone up a fairly large amount again. The other half of me wonders if making Bradford the priority & focusing all resources there would be better, as at least Huddersfield bus station works even if looking dated. The authority doesn't have anything to focus on with the interchange because the surveys have not been completed. And for once it isn't a game of pick and choose with them mentioning in an article that they have the money for a replacement. I Think we can all roughly guess what the surveys are going to say. My point was that as it looks like they've had planners redoing the Huddersfield designs with various changes (removing the wood effect & so on) it might of been better for them to get a head start on planning & designing a new interchange over in Bradford. I'm not say Huddersfield doesn't deserve/warrant it's refurbishment, it does & even though there's some aspects of it i'm not convinced by it should be a welcome improvement. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 27, 2024 19:11:43 GMT 1
It’s still think it’s mostly a waste of money, the front probably needs tidying up, but the main bit where the stands are is perfectly fine, if they hadn’t removed half the seats, as is the alighting area, if they ensured there were no missing floor tiles or ceiling tiles which they should do within ongoing maintenance budgets
I don’t think a single person who doesn’t travel on buses in Huddersfield now will start to do so when the bus station has wood cladding on the front
And as for Dewsbury…
Let’s just hope they have multi million pound budgets in place for Bradford and it doesn’t drag on into a decade long fiasco like building projects often do in Bradford
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Post by rodneytrotter on Aug 27, 2024 19:19:03 GMT 1
The only issue I have with Dewsbury, is I think its very old-fashioned, it needs a bit of modernisation, I get the impression it's been like this since the 1990s, when you compare it to the likes of Castleford, or Halifax with it's new Bus station, Dewsbury seems to be a little bit behind the times.
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 27, 2024 20:43:39 GMT 1
The only issue I have with Dewsbury, is I think its very old-fashioned, it needs a bit of modernisation, I get the impression it's been like this since the 1990s, when you compare it to the likes of Castleford, or Halifax with it's new Bus station, Dewsbury seems to be a little bit behind the times. The only refurb Dewsbury has ever had consistanty is the toilets. The flooring is lethal in winter and wet weather. Plus there are 3 stands vacant yet the day trip coaches all have to use the 2 old open stands (stand 18 & stand 19) with passengers exposed to the elements and Stand 16 got converted to store cupboard at some point. |
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Post by Pricel on Aug 27, 2024 22:22:25 GMT 1
Wakefield and Dewsbury seem to be the worst ones at the moment, but Wakey is owned by Arriva so Metro don't have any power over it. Both Dewsbury and Wakefield look a bit depressing with no lighting at all coming through the building not to mention the toilets at Wakefield are a scam paying 20p for a scratty toilet. Much cleaner toilets at Trinity Walk down the road for free!
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 27, 2024 22:35:20 GMT 1
Wakefield and Dewsbury seem to be the worst ones at the moment, but Wakey is owned by Arriva so Metro don't have any power over it. Both Dewsbury and Wakefield look a bit depressing with no lighting at all coming through the building not to mention the toilets at Wakefield are a scam paying 20p for a scratty toilet. Much cleaner toilets at Trinity Walk down the road for free! All Metro ones (bar Ponte) have turnsile system that charges 20p a punter. Dewsbury's not that bad for letting in light BUT one think that's needed in bus stations especially in winter is heat; yes a luxury i know but when a bus misses i'd rather have at least a 30 mins plus wait in warmth rather than continuous cold. |
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Post by Pricel on Aug 29, 2024 0:11:38 GMT 1
Wakefield and Dewsbury seem to be the worst ones at the moment, but Wakey is owned by Arriva so Metro don't have any power over it. Both Dewsbury and Wakefield look a bit depressing with no lighting at all coming through the building not to mention the toilets at Wakefield are a scam paying 20p for a scratty toilet. Much cleaner toilets at Trinity Walk down the road for free! All Metro ones (bar Ponte) have turnsile system that charges 20p a punter. Dewsbury's not that bad for letting in light BUT one think that's needed in bus stations especially in winter is heat; yes a luxury i know but when a bus misses i'd rather have at least a 30 mins plus wait in warmth rather than continuous cold. Huddersfield and Leeds are open for free 90% of the time and they're still cleaner than the Wakey toilets. I don't think I've seen Halifax charge anyone as of yet. |
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Post by deerfold on Aug 29, 2024 13:49:06 GMT 1
Wakefield and Dewsbury seem to be the worst ones at the moment, but Wakey is owned by Arriva so Metro don't have any power over it. Both Dewsbury and Wakefield look a bit depressing with no lighting at all coming through the building not to mention the toilets at Wakefield are a scam paying 20p for a scratty toilet. Much cleaner toilets at Trinity Walk down the road for free! All Metro ones (bar Ponte) have turnsile system that charges 20p a punter. Dewsbury's not that bad for letting in light BUT one think that's needed in bus stations especially in winter is heat; yes a luxury i know but when a bus misses i'd rather have at least a 30 mins plus wait in warmth rather than continuous cold. Keighley bus station has no fee for the loos. |
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Post by shelf81 on Aug 29, 2024 16:31:08 GMT 1
All Metro ones (bar Ponte) have turnsile system that charges 20p a punter. Dewsbury's not that bad for letting in light BUT one think that's needed in bus stations especially in winter is heat; yes a luxury i know but when a bus misses i'd rather have at least a 30 mins plus wait in warmth rather than continuous cold. Huddersfield and Leeds are open for free 90% of the time and they're still cleaner than the Wakey toilets. I don't think I've seen Halifax charge anyone as of yet. Has Huddersfield ever charged for them? Don't remember ever seeing the turnstiles in use since they was installed. |
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Post by rodneytrotter on Aug 29, 2024 16:32:36 GMT 1
Pretty sure Castleford is 20p.
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Post by joshben on Aug 29, 2024 21:57:19 GMT 1
Huddersfield and Leeds are open for free 90% of the time and they're still cleaner than the Wakey toilets. I don't think I've seen Halifax charge anyone as of yet. Has Huddersfield ever charged for them? Don't remember ever seeing the turnstiles in use since they was installed. They were in place a few weeks ago but not today! Not much option in Huddersfield either! Pontefract and Keighley are free while Leeds and Halifax have barriers installed but not in use. Castleford has barriers that are used while some smaller towns like Pudsey and Ossett don't even have any facilities and are very scarce within the town itself!! |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 29, 2024 22:18:14 GMT 1
The reason they have turnstiles is to try and deter vandalism and also undesirables hanging around in the facilities
In Manchester bus stations the toilets have full floor to ceiling gates like you are trying to access a high security facility
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Post by rodneytrotter on Aug 29, 2024 22:21:16 GMT 1
What do people do in Pudsey and Ossett if there isn't toilets in their bus stations?
Ossett bus station was only built 19 years ago, you'd have thought they would put toilets in!
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 29, 2024 22:32:05 GMT 1
What do people do in Pudsey and Ossett if there isn't toilets in their bus stations? Ossett bus station was only built 19 years ago, you'd have thought they would put toilets in! Batley & Cleckheaton are in the Same boat too but i know Batley's old bus station DID have toilet facilities. |
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Post by rodneytrotter on Aug 29, 2024 22:38:52 GMT 1
Is there any regulations now that stipulate bus stations have to have toilets? or new build bus stations at least?
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