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Post by deerfold on Apr 10, 2024 8:31:23 GMT 1
Metro finally gave me the stopping points on the 662, 67 and 576.
I had to ask a dozen times on Facebook and X. Half the times they referred me to the website, which doesn't have the information and ignored my responses telling them that. One person said they'd get the information but hadn't a day later.
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 10, 2024 11:47:23 GMT 1
Well, with a little over a week to go, there's absolutely no official information about routing, apart from the starting stops (if that's not an oxymoron). There is no point in asking METRO. They don't seem to know about ANY intermediate stops? Still no official information on routings. The general public doesn't use bustimes or have the bus companies' own information that I've included above. And it seems that METRO doesn't have the information either, or they're trying to keep things simple by just revealing the terminal points, oh and bus stop L at the bottom of Cheapside for the shuttle. Latest: tonight, a bus driver (talking to a passenger ahem a customer) passed on details of the starting point, i.e., NelsonSt (instead of an intermediate stop)... but then added that changes are still tbc, so it might not happen on Sunday yet... I assume the reticence to give out routings is because they don't actually know if the road changes will be ready for Sunday. So instead of being transparent and open about it, and just explaining the issues, they hide behind the usual cloak and dagger secrecy which seems to be part of the organisational make up of this 'public' body.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 10, 2024 11:57:39 GMT 1
Still no official information on routings. The general public doesn't use bustimes or have the bus companies' own information that I've included above. And it seems that METRO doesn't have the information either, or they're trying to keep things simple by just revealing the terminal points, oh and bus stop L at the bottom of Cheapside for the shuttle. Latest: tonight, a bus driver (talking to a passenger ahem a customer) passed on details of the starting point, i.e., NelsonSt (instead of an intermediate stop)... but then added that changes are still tbc, so it might not happen on Sunday yet... I assume the reticence to give out routings is because they don't actually know if the road changes will be ready for Sunday. So instead of being transparent and open about it, and just explaining the issues, they hide behind the usual cloak and dagger secrecy which seems to be part of the organisational make up of this 'public' body. Ah, that might be it. From various nonformation items, it would appear that they're changing the starting point, but using existing routes? That would probably be the best idea. Didn't they once have to give six weeks/42 days' notice of any change? That seems to have been forgotten about. What was that about METRO taking over running the buses? Good grief! 😔
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 10, 2024 13:33:57 GMT 1
Ah, that might be it. From various nonformation items, it would appear that they're changing the starting point, but using existing routes? Would that be possible though? In many cases there’s no easy route from the new terminus points to existing routes through the city centre. Leeds Road services are facing the wrong way to go back to Hall Ings, for example.
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 10, 2024 14:09:52 GMT 1
If there was only some sort of Transport Authority whose job it was to provide clear information to the public about bus and train services.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 10, 2024 17:13:37 GMT 1
I don’t think arrival bus stops are ever widely publicised, look at all the maps that Metro produce, that used to be in paper form, but are now web only, they only ever displayed departure bus stops
I fully expect to see people waiting at bus stops on Market Street while workmen dig the road up in front of them
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Post by deerfold on Apr 10, 2024 18:01:11 GMT 1
I don’t think arrival bus stops are ever widely publicised, look at all the maps that Metro produce, that used to be in paper form, but are now web only, they only ever displayed departure bus stops Perhaps not, but the route is, and its's unlikely that everyone on a bus is catching it for the first time, so people can ask the driver or other passengers, or use Google maps.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 10, 2024 18:03:55 GMT 1
Ah, that might be it. From various nonformation items, it would appear that they're changing the starting point, but using existing routes? The 662 is entering and leaving Bradford by a completely different route, passing Forster Square station instead of Kirkgate.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 10, 2024 18:08:23 GMT 1
Ah, that might be it. From various nonformation items, it would appear that they're changing the starting point, but using existing routes? The 662 is entering and leaving Bradford by a completely different route, passing Forster Square station instead of Kirkgate. The 662 has been coming in via Manor Row ever since the Interchange closed
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Post by deerfold on Apr 10, 2024 19:00:33 GMT 1
The 662 is entering and leaving Bradford by a completely different route, passing Forster Square station instead of Kirkgate. The 662 has been coming in via Manor Row ever since the Interchange closed OK, leaving by a different route. I seem to have been avoiding Bradford by bus recently.
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Post by pjb on Apr 10, 2024 19:02:21 GMT 1
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 10, 2024 20:00:04 GMT 1
I fully expect to see people waiting at bus stops on Market Street while workmen dig the road up in front of them I'm sure they will when no-one has told them which way their services will travel around the city. Well St should most certainly be open before any rerouting took place and then it would have been as easy as saying 'Your Market St stops are now on Well Street outside the Broadway exit near HMV.' It's like they've just ploughed on with the rebuild of the city centre public transport network without having the foundations in place. No surprise considering the terrible weather this winter that things are behind but they should take a pause and do the job properly. My wife has worked in Bradford for 20 years and catches the 612-614 home. As of today I can't tell her where to catch her bus home next Tuesday. I'm all over the changes and have read everything publicised but the best I can do is stop Z on Vicar Lane. A stop which wasn't even there last Saturday and on a road which my wife had no clue where it is. These routes had three stops in town, Hall Ings, Market Street and on the end of Canal Rd. None of these will now be available. If Well St is not open, will these routes do a loop up Leeds Rd and back down Church Bank or miss all of the Canal Rd stops? Shall I tell her she needs to walk to the bottom of King's Rd, she may as well just walk home, it's only another 3 miles.
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Post by rikki85 on Apr 10, 2024 20:05:46 GMT 1
I fully expect to see people waiting at bus stops on Market Street while workmen dig the road up in front of them I'm sure they will when no-one has told them which way their services will travel around the city. Well St should most certainly be open before any rerouting took place and then it would have been as easy as saying 'Your Market St stops are now on Well Street outside the Broadway exit near HMV.' It's like they've just ploughed on with the rebuild of the city centre public transport network without having the foundations in place. No surprise considering the terrible weather this winter that things are behind but they should take a pause and do the job properly. My wife has worked in Bradford for 20 years and catches the 612-614 home. As of today I can't tell her where to catch her bus home next Tuesday. I'm all over the changes and have read everything publicised but the best I can do is stop Z on Vicar Lane. A stop which wasn't even there last Saturday and on a road which my wife had no clue where it is. These routes had three stops in town, Hall Ings, Market Street and on the end of Canal Rd. None of these will now be available. If Well St is not open, will these routes do a loop up Leeds Rd and back down Church Bank or miss all of the Canal Rd stops? Shall I tell her she needs to walk to the bottom of King's Rd, she may as well just walk home, it's only another 3 miles. According to bus Times it will stop at stops O and U.
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 10, 2024 20:10:33 GMT 1
They're not stopping at U if Well St hasn't been surfaced yet and can't use O without performing a no right turn over a central reservation which is there to stop that turn. May stop at Q if it does come along Well St or down Church Bank but without detailed route information being published who knows.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 10, 2024 20:41:14 GMT 1
I wonder if that’s why they aren’t mentioning the Well Street stops, because it isn’t certain that it will be open in time
As of today, Stop M on Lower Kirkgate doesn’t exist, neither does N on Forster Square or V a on Well Street. U does exist but it’s in the middle of the work site
I suppose those missing stops could just be dolly stops in the open air from Sunday
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 10, 2024 21:19:36 GMT 1
I wonder if that’s why they aren’t mentioning the Well Street stops, because it isn’t certain that it will be open in time As of today, Stop M on Lower Kirkgate doesn’t exist, neither does N on Forster Square or V a on Well Street. U does exist but it’s in the middle of the work site I suppose those missing stops could just be dolly stops in the open air from Sunday U was like that on Saturday so nothing much appears to have progressed since then. Has the road seen any surfacing work done this week?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 11, 2024 10:12:10 GMT 1
I wonder which way services like the 576, 640/641 will go when Little Horton Lane closes As you can’t turn right from Manchester Road outbound to Senior Way Well, according to this map, you can. Otherwise, there's nowhere for the traffic to go!
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Post by thelupineone on Apr 11, 2024 11:11:03 GMT 1
This smacks of what happened in Cardiff, where all city centre bus traffic was banned and was rerouted around the outside, and without a bus station to call its own (in fact Cardiff's new bus station is STILL yet to open). Yet this feels even more slapdash and short notice. It feels like WYCA does not have its act together, and it has three years to get its act together before bus franchising begins in West Yorkshire.
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Post by pjb on Apr 11, 2024 20:48:48 GMT 1
Individual stops and route maps are now available on metro website. Noted already an error that 636/637 shown inbound as running via Thornton Road and serving city park B bus stop on Princes way which isn’t possible due to a raised traffic island in middle of junction 607/615/616 omit city park B for same reason and run from near Leonardo hotel non stop to Nelson street apparently. So not very convenient for city centre. City road seems to be down to only one bus an hour as the 67 is the only route left running that way once the 607 is rerouted. I can’t believe that these changes will encourage bus use to Bradford at all as everything is less convenient coupled with the Interchange continued closure. The reroutings plus the revised stops mean my commute to catch a train to York from Interchange becomes much longer with the walk. How I miss the Interchange being operational.
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Post by pricel on Apr 11, 2024 22:00:53 GMT 1
Individual stops and route maps are now available on metro website. Noted already an error that 636/637 shown inbound as running via Thornton Road and serving city park B bus stop on Princes way which isn’t possible due to a raised traffic island in middle of junction 607/615/616 omit city park B for same reason and run from near Leonardo hotel non stop to Nelson street apparently. So not very convenient for city centre. City road seems to be down to only one bus an hour as the 67 is the only route left running that way once the 607 is rerouted. I can’t believe that these changes will encourage bus use to Bradford at all as everything is less convenient coupled with the Interchange continued closure. The reroutings plus the revised stops mean my commute to catch a train to York from Interchange becomes much longer with the walk. How I miss the Interchange being operational. One of WYCA's criticisms were commonly spoken about when the plans for "City of Culture" were made public on Your Voice. Tonnes of people consulted and replied "how much of a waste it is to add benches to Interchange entrance and instead it should receive a new bus station." To be fair I agree with them, the bus station was getting quite old. It didn't seem to satisfy customer even more when it was announced Hall Ings Car Park were going to be demolished for a "green park", then everyone started saying build a new bus station there!
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Post by sharksmith on Apr 11, 2024 22:05:40 GMT 1
Individual stops and route maps are now available on metro website. Good job primary schools were back this week, someone had to draw all those wobbly green lines onto the maps.
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 11, 2024 22:10:33 GMT 1
Individual stops and route maps are now available on metro website. Noted already an error that 636/637 shown inbound as running via Thornton Road and serving city park B bus stop on Princes way which isn’t possible due to a raised traffic island in middle of junction 607/615/616 omit city park B for same reason and run from near Leonardo hotel non stop to Nelson street apparently. So not very convenient for city centre. City road seems to be down to only one bus an hour as the 67 is the only route left running that way once the 607 is rerouted. I can’t believe that these changes will encourage bus use to Bradford at all as everything is less convenient coupled with the Interchange continued closure. The reroutings plus the revised stops mean my commute to catch a train to York from Interchange becomes much longer with the walk. How I miss the Interchange being operational. One of WYCA's criticisms were commonly spoken about when the plans for "City of Culture" were made public on Your Voice. Tonnes of people consulted and replied "how much of a waste it is to add benches to Interchange entrance and instead it should receive a new bus station." To be fair I agree with them, the bus station was getting quite old. It didn't seem to satisfy customer even more when it was announced Hall Ings Car Park were going to be demolished for a "green park", then everyone started saying build a new bus station there! One of the issues about moving the bus station is what do you do over the railway, do you move only the bus station losing the best interchange & the only integrated one in the county or do you move/extend the railway as well with added costs & time getting Network Rail & the TOCs to agree to it.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 11, 2024 22:40:30 GMT 1
I get the feeling those maps were probably for internal use and they’ve decided to put them on the site due to all the complaints
As well as the issue that became apparent that Nelson Street southbound will actually be inaccessible which means everything needs to use the northbound side (including 617/618 & 620 in both directions) involving a complete loop. How many buses per hour are travelling along Nelson Street?!
There is now an issue that there is no right turn off Well Street onto Hall Ings, so buses have to go straight ahead onto Vicar Lane then turn left, left again and left again to access Hall Ings!
Those streets near the Leisure Exchange will go from being quiet streets to having half of Bradford’s buses circulating around them
Of course if anyone has an issue with this shambles, they can make their views known at the ballot box in May, but we all know Bradford councillors are untouchable, they’d never be voted out, so they can do what they want.
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Post by shelf81 on Apr 11, 2024 22:52:19 GMT 1
I wonder which way services like the 576, 640/641 will go when Little Horton Lane closes As you can’t turn right from Manchester Road outbound to Senior Way Well, according to this map, you can. Otherwise, there's nowhere for the traffic to go! Looking at the maps they've realised for each route it looks like they will all be doing a left onto Croft St,Right onto Nelson St,Right again back onto Croft Street then straight onto Senior Way Add in the dozens of buses using that section to get onto Nelson Street alongside the normal peak time traffic will make it interesting to see how time keeping is affected, starting to think I'll be better off walking onto Manchester Rd for my 681 & avoiding the chaos of that area!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 11, 2024 23:00:25 GMT 1
For the 613/614, 640/641, 645, 686/687 etc, when they go up Vicar Lane, can they even turn right straight into Croft street?
Either they can’t and they will be looping around in circles, or all these new right turns that are allegedly being introduced are going to impede the flow of traffic
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