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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 27, 2024 21:37:16 GMT 1
8 - new operator, not Transdev - "21 transport" Regarding the 8, bloody hell! 21 Transport as far as I know are a social care transport provider based in Goole![/quote] (Ironic that "21 Transport" is taking over the 8 and not the 21 😎) They already run school buses in the Harrogate area so I assume it will use one of those vehicles, the 8 is timed to work around school journeys already. 616H to Harrogate Grammar and Rossett High 620H to Rossett High 670H to Harrogate High 680H to New Park Primary They run school contracts as far afield as Nidderdale, Wensleydale and Ryedale, so they either have a lot of dead mileage or they have several outstations or subcontractors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 21:44:21 GMT 1
Will this mean Transdev will have one bus spare with them not operating route 8 anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 21:49:01 GMT 1
Will this mean Transdev will have one bus spare with them not operating route 8 anymore? As most of the Eclipses are leaving Harrogate within the next 12 months when the electrics arrive, just means they can remove any extra one without replacement
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 27, 2024 22:23:41 GMT 1
They already run school buses in the Harrogate area so I assume it will use one of those vehicles, the 8 is timed to work around school journeys already. 616H to Harrogate Grammar and Rossett High 620H to Rossett High 670H to Harrogate High 680H to New Park Primary They run school contracts as far afield as Nidderdale, Wensleydale and Ryedale, so they either have a lot of dead mileage or they have several outstations or subcontractors. They do not currently operate those school sevices but will do from April 8 616H is currently York Pullman (and before that Reliance), 620H Transdev, 670H AS Coaches, 680H York Pullman. The 517R to Wensleydale School is Proctors as is the 777H to Boroughbridge High, the 743H to Nidderdale High School Pateley Bridge is Murgatroyd and the 261R to Ryedale School is Acklams
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 27, 2024 22:26:19 GMT 1
Will this mean Transdev will have one bus spare with them not operating route 8 anymore? As most of the Eclipses are leaving Harrogate within the next 12 months when the electrics arrive, just means they can remove any extra one without replacement The Electrics have only been referred to as working Route 1 , 7, 24 and 36; never the 8 or 21
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Post by pricel on Feb 27, 2024 22:32:01 GMT 1
As most of the Eclipses are leaving Harrogate within the next 12 months when the electrics arrive, just means they can remove any extra one without replacement The Electrics have only been referred to as working Route 1 , 7, 24 and 36; never the 8 or 21 Yes but I am pretty sure it was stated "all electric" with acceptation of schools. The reason why 8 and 21 were probably not mentioned on the list as tenders can change for those routes at any time, but most likely 21 will become electric also as it would be useless to keep a couple of diesel buses when its easier to maintain a fleet with less anomalies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 22:33:36 GMT 1
As most of the Eclipses are leaving Harrogate within the next 12 months when the electrics arrive, just means they can remove any extra one without replacement The Electrics have only been referred to as working Route 1 , 7, 24 and 36; never the 8 or 21 That's why I said most of the eclipses was leaving. With them losing route 8 means an extra one can leave alongside those being replaced by the electrics leaving one or two for route 21 & as spares.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 22:37:48 GMT 1
The Electrics have only been referred to as working Route 1 , 7, 24 and 36; never the 8 or 21 Yes but I am pretty sure it was stated "all electric" with acceptation of schools. The reason why 8 and 21 were probably not mentioned on the list as tenders can change for those routes at any time, but most likely 21 will become electric also as it would be useless to keep a couple of diesel buses when its easier to maintain a fleet with less anomalies. Considering the way Transdev are losing tendered work in North Yorks at the moment, It would also depend on if they are still running service 21 by the time the electrics arrive.
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 27, 2024 23:15:47 GMT 1
Yes but I am pretty sure it was stated "all electric" with acceptation of schools. The reason why 8 and 21 were probably not mentioned on the list as tenders can change for those routes at any time, but most likely 21 will become electric also as it would be useless to keep a couple of diesel buses when its easier to maintain a fleet with less anomalies. Considering the way Transdev are losing tendered work in North Yorks at the moment, It would also depend on if they are still running service 21 by the time the electrics arrive. The tender for the 21 is the same period as the 22/23 and 8 so presumably they have won it again
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Post by jimmi on Feb 28, 2024 1:58:57 GMT 1
[Regarding the 8, bloody hell! 21 Transport as far as I know are a social care transport provider based in Goole! They've shared some posts on local Facebook groups in the Ripon and Harrogate area asking for 'Service bus and coach driver for school runs' via their Facebook page: www.facebook.com/share/p/H987cbjccGAfyK2A/This tender round does seem a bit bizarre, some services are registered to have two operators (31X East Yorkshire & Reliance and 159 is Dales & District & Hodgsons) with Hodgsons also picking up many contracts including some runs in the Thirsk area currently provided by North Yorkshire Council's in-house fleet mostly operating 1 or 2 days a week like the 59/60/60A.
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 28, 2024 6:20:36 GMT 1
Transdev Harrogate changes also on 7 April Route 1 - new timetable, still every 10 minutes combined 2 & 3 - weekday peak time changes 4 - New service to north west Harrogate housing development, Army College and a business park 6 and X6 merged - the 6 back to part of its old route 8 - new operator, not Transdev - "21 transport" 21, 24 and 36 timetable reliability changes www.transdevbus.co.uk/harrogate/changes-harrogate-7-aprilRegarding the 8, bloody hell! 21 Transport as far as I know are a social care transport provider based in Goole! They come across as very similar to Rollinson's in Leeds, who also operate a few midi-coaches. It appears they're running some quite big contracts (H2S for SEN children, NHS transport), so fair play to them dipping their toe in this market. Hopefully it pays off
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Post by thelupineone on Feb 28, 2024 11:16:56 GMT 1
The Electrics have only been referred to as working Route 1 , 7, 24 and 36; never the 8 or 21 Yes but I am pretty sure it was stated "all electric" with acceptation of schools. The reason why 8 and 21 were probably not mentioned on the list as tenders can change for those routes at any time, but most likely 21 will become electric also as it would be useless to keep a couple of diesel buses when its easier to maintain a fleet with less anomalies. Noting that Transdev haven't said anything about an electric future for the X98/X99 either, which does not fill me with much hope!
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Post by pricel on Feb 28, 2024 17:17:05 GMT 1
Yes but I am pretty sure it was stated "all electric" with acceptation of schools. The reason why 8 and 21 were probably not mentioned on the list as tenders can change for those routes at any time, but most likely 21 will become electric also as it would be useless to keep a couple of diesel buses when its easier to maintain a fleet with less anomalies. Noting that Transdev haven't said anything about an electric future for the X98/X99 either, which does not fill me with much hope! because when the zebra routes were mentioned it was before Harrogate even ran the X98/9, could be a different depot might end up running them in future, maybe the new York depot, but before anyone trys to shoot me down it's an assumption rather than a source.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2024 19:09:41 GMT 1
PB2053151/2 Cancelled YORKSHIRE TRAVEL GROUP LTD Route: Hunslet, Atkinson Centre to Leeds University via Hunslet, Leeds, Headingley Service number: 29 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 08 Apr 2024
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Post by joseph on Feb 28, 2024 19:39:47 GMT 1
PB2053151/2 Cancelled YORKSHIRE TRAVEL GROUP LTD Route: Hunslet, Atkinson Centre to Leeds University via Hunslet, Leeds, Headingley Service number: 29 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 08 Apr 2024 Just found this on VOSA. Not too surprised really, saw next to nobody waiting at the student flats stop near the Armouries around 09.20 this morning and I've only seen penny numbers on PM peak journeys heading from the University into town
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Post by kommie123 on Feb 28, 2024 19:59:40 GMT 1
No doubt they will blame Metro, roadworks, the weather, type of tarmac etc etc.
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 28, 2024 21:56:52 GMT 1
This tender round does seem a bit bizarre, some services are registered to have two operators (31X East Yorkshire & Reliance and 159 is Dales & District & Hodgsons) with Hodgsons also picking up many contracts including some runs in the Thirsk area currently provided by North Yorkshire Council's in-house fleet mostly operating 1 or 2 days a week like the 59/60/60A. Where are you finding that info? There have been split registrations before, the 70 (Northallerton-Ripon) when Dales & District operated had a solitary working by Hodgsons. Presumably makes some sense when their is an unbalanced working.
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Post by jimmi on Feb 28, 2024 22:20:46 GMT 1
[Where are you finding that info? There have been split registrations before, the 70 (Northallerton-Ripon) when Dales & District operated had a solitary working by Hodgsons. Presumably makes some sense when their is an unbalanced working. Just been going off the VOSA registration search function as to what's going on.
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Post by joseph on Feb 28, 2024 22:27:09 GMT 1
This tender round does seem a bit bizarre, some services are registered to have two operators (31X East Yorkshire & Reliance and 159 is Dales & District & Hodgsons) with Hodgsons also picking up many contracts including some runs in the Thirsk area currently provided by North Yorkshire Council's in-house fleet mostly operating 1 or 2 days a week like the 59/60/60A. Where are you finding that info? There have been split registrations before, the 70 (Northallerton-Ripon) when Dales & District operated had a solitary working by Hodgsons. Presumably makes some sense when their is an unbalanced working. I'm assuming the 31X East Yorkshire tender will be for a school journey within the timetable as it doesn't make any other sense, and even then it doesn't make sense as the outbound working it runs off will have no return. Or maybe East Yorkshire have the Saturday journeys with Reliance running Mon to Fri.
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Post by deerfold on Feb 29, 2024 10:49:19 GMT 1
I'm surprised that the 62 and 64 are changing on different dates, as they interwork. For most journeys, a 64 leaves Ilkley just before a 64 arrives. I was hoping they'd be able to remove the midibuses that appear on the 62 every 2 hours (including some fairly busy journeys like the 0910 from Ilkley (which from Silsden is the first service to accept ENTCS passes) and the 1600 from Keighley. Worrying now that we're actually going to get more of them.
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Post by leedsbusman on Feb 29, 2024 12:48:11 GMT 1
I'm surprised that the 62 and 64 are changing on different dates, as they interwork. For most journeys, a 64 leaves Ilkley just before a 64 arrives. I was hoping they'd be able to remove the midibuses that appear on the 62 every 2 hours (including some fairly busy journeys like the 0910 from Ilkley (which from Silsden is the first service to accept ENTCS passes) and the 1600 from Keighley. Worrying now that we're actually going to get more of them. I’m told it’s B7RLEs for the 62/64 and Solos for the 72 as the 72 is no longer linked to the 64.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 29, 2024 13:51:18 GMT 1
From 7 April (Blazefield)
the 64 Ilkley to Skipton
In partnership with North Yorkshire Council, we'll be returning to running buses every hour.
the 72 Grassington to Skipton
We'll be increasing our frequency to what it was at the beginning of 2023, in partnership with the North Yorkshire Council.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Feb 29, 2024 13:56:56 GMT 1
This means that the 72 will run as an independent service and NOT interwork with the 64 from Ilkley.
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Post by jc on Feb 29, 2024 15:31:09 GMT 1
Where are you finding that info? There have been split registrations before, the 70 (Northallerton-Ripon) when Dales & District operated had a solitary working by Hodgsons. Presumably makes some sense when their is an unbalanced working. I'm assuming the 31X East Yorkshire tender will be for a school journey within the timetable as it doesn't make any other sense, and even then it doesn't make sense as the outbound working it runs off will have no return. Or maybe East Yorkshire have the Saturday journeys with Reliance running Mon to Fri. 0755 school journey from Easingwold could run onto 128 to give an 0836 from Helmsley towards Scarborough rather than 1025 at present. Wishful thinking I know. Also the first 29 college trip via Linton starts at Raskelf. I wonder if Reliance will retain that or EY is looking to stable buses in the area.
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Post by pricel on Feb 29, 2024 19:02:39 GMT 1
I'm surprised that the 62 and 64 are changing on different dates, as they interwork. For most journeys, a 64 leaves Ilkley just before a 64 arrives. I was hoping they'd be able to remove the midibuses that appear on the 62 every 2 hours (including some fairly busy journeys like the 0910 from Ilkley (which from Silsden is the first service to accept ENTCS passes) and the 1600 from Keighley. Worrying now that we're actually going to get more of them. I’m told it’s B7RLEs for the 62/64 and Solos for the 72 as the 72 is no longer linked to the 64. Source 😂
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