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Post by shelf81 on May 2, 2024 16:11:36 GMT 1
Wouldn't it be WYCA paying for a temporary bus station rather than Bradford City Council? it would be both but more WYCA but it depends on if there's a suitable site. Could of used Nelson Street & turned it into a 8-10 stand site like Rotherham did with Forge Island car park during their own Interchange closure, wouldn't be perfect but alot better than the current mess. |
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Post by rodneytrotter on May 2, 2024 17:02:26 GMT 1
And Tracy wants our votes on Thursday. She is absolutely useless and needs voting out with a new Mayor who might actually get things sorted. 1/ Bradford Interchange closed, 2/Halifax Bus station still not completed and 3/ the ongoing fiasco with the Whiterose Train station where the builders have walked off the site is enough fir me Unfortunately I don't see any chance of a change of mayor this week. People who actually bother to vote seem to come in a few different types. 1 The ones who have always voted for one party and always will. Quite often a generational thing passed down through families. 2. The ones who vote in all elections based on National Politics rather than on the issues the candidates can actually affect. Not going to get those voters voting Tory at the moment. 3. The small clued up proportion who actually know which positions they are voting people into. Category 3 are unfortunately a very small minority, and apart from in the most marginal of areas cannot affect the outcomes. Even in this small cross section of well informed voters, many will have their own personal priorities of which transport may not be one. I expect a large win for the current mayor with probably an increased share of the vote. ☹️ She doesn't have as much support in the Wakefield area, as much as people on here like to think. Even Labour councillors in the Wakefield area, have criticised her, for constantly not turning up to meetings or meeting with the public in Wakefield, including a few public Q and A's. I noticed she was in Bradford this morning, I wonder if she was anywhere near Nelson Street. |
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Post by stephen01 on May 15, 2024 19:52:22 GMT 1
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Post by shelf81 on May 15, 2024 20:50:30 GMT 1
Assuming after a few more months the surveys come back it needs a rebuild, it will almost history repeating itself with Metro/WYCA 'taking back control' of the buses soon after similar to the original interchange being opened just over a year before Metro took control of the buses the first time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 8:55:22 GMT 1
Assuming after a few more months the surveys come back it needs a rebuild, it will almost history repeating itself with Metro/WYCA 'taking back control' of the buses soon after similar to the original interchange being opened just over a year before Metro took control of the buses the first time. Metro "took control" in April 1974 and the interchange didn't open until March 1977. |
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Post by shelf81 on May 16, 2024 13:26:36 GMT 1
Assuming after a few more months the surveys come back it needs a rebuild, it will almost history repeating itself with Metro/WYCA 'taking back control' of the buses soon after similar to the original interchange being opened just over a year before Metro took control of the buses the first time. Metro "took control" in April 1974 and the interchange didn't open until March 1977. Sorry about that mistake, I was thinking from when the rail station section first opened in 1973 (possibly still under the Bradford Exchange name?) |
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Post by deerfold on May 16, 2024 13:33:19 GMT 1
Metro "took control" in April 1974 and the interchange didn't open until March 1977. Sorry about that mistake, I was thinking from when the rail station section first opened in 1973 (possibly still under the Bradford Exchange name?) Yes. The Bradford Interchange name wasn't used until 1983. The plans for the bus station predated Metro, though, being the brainchild of Bradford Council. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2024 21:27:51 GMT 1
Sorry about that mistake, I was thinking from when the rail station section first opened in 1973 (possibly still under the Bradford Exchange name?) Yes. The Bradford Interchange name wasn't used until 1983. The plans for the bus station predated Metro, though, being the brainchild of Bradford Council. The Interchange name was used from its opening in March 1977 see screenshot below from timetable world:  |
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Post by pjb on May 18, 2024 10:39:30 GMT 1
So despite nearly 6 months of closure of the interchange there’s nothing on the agenda for WYCAs next meeting about it! How can this be when they need to at least update us as the last info supplied was “closed until June” and we are almost there? What happened to the idea of at least getting the lower concourse open for rail passengers to access toilets and refreshments again and an interim plan for the buses? Have WYCA just given up on doing anything at all? They can’t expect passengers to put up with the current chaos and appalling facilities forever. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24328986.no-mention-interchange-transport-agenda-staggering/ |
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Post by rodneytrotter on May 18, 2024 10:54:18 GMT 1
Just proves WYCA don't care about the public at all. Even the WYCA supporters can't defend this. The people at the WYCA think they are untouchable, now the election is gone, they can just sit there and pretend nothing has happened.
They get away with it because they know they will always have a percentage of supporters and voters. Susan Hinchliffe should be sacked or resign, she should not be allowed as chairperson. The agenda would have been sent to her, so why as chairperson and leader of Bradford Council has she not forced the transport provision in Bradford onto the agenda.
I don't agree with the Tories on much, but they are bang on here, Rebecca Poulsen is absolutely right with what she says. It's an utter disgrace.
I sincerely hope people write to Hinchcliffe and Brabin, those two, clearly don't care about the people of Bradford.
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Post by leedsbusman on May 18, 2024 11:37:36 GMT 1
So despite nearly 6 months of closure of the interchange there’s nothing on the agenda for WYCAs next meeting about it! How can this be when they need to at least update us as the last info supplied was “closed until June” and we are almost there? What happened to the idea of at least getting the lower concourse open for rail passengers to access toilets and refreshments again and an interim plan for the buses? Have WYCA just given up on doing anything at all? They can’t expect passengers to put up with the current chaos and appalling facilities forever. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24328986.no-mention-interchange-transport-agenda-staggering/You may have fallen for a little political grandstanding. Around the 25th March WYCA said “It is therefore anticipated that the interchange will need to remain closed for at least a further three months to allow surveys to be completed, following which we will take a view on the future operation of the facility.” The press interpreted that as ‘closed until June’ - whereas to me it says late June we would expect a report which will then be considered. It seems rather ambitious that it will suddenly be found safe next month! WYCAs website says closure is until further notice |
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Post by stephen01 on May 18, 2024 11:51:50 GMT 1
So despite nearly 6 months of closure of the interchange there’s nothing on the agenda for WYCAs next meeting about it! How can this be when they need to at least update us as the last info supplied was “closed until June” and we are almost there? What happened to the idea of at least getting the lower concourse open for rail passengers to access toilets and refreshments again and an interim plan for the buses? Have WYCA just given up on doing anything at all? They can’t expect passengers to put up with the current chaos and appalling facilities forever. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24328986.no-mention-interchange-transport-agenda-staggering/The mayor has already stated she's not willing to re-open it AT ALL until she's fully satisified it's safe to re-open. I've even posted the article a couple of items up. Some of the structual surveys that's been carried out will have to be done more than once. They'll also be having to assess suitable locations to build a temporary bus station so again structal surveys will be needed then quotes needed to build it. |
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Post by joseph on May 18, 2024 12:13:49 GMT 1
A temporary bus station could easily be built just like that, 3 x shelters on Nelson Street with another 4 in the layover area of the car park, that's all that's needed. There is a spare shelter going in Beeston (one outside Co Op, hasn't got any useful services using it as the next stop along is the terminus!) so that simply could be dug up then re-located to Nelson Street. Another shelter down The Headrow is only used for the X84 alighting passengers, defo no need for a shelter there so that too could be dug up and re-located. I bet there are plenty of others not needed. All Bridge Street needs is 3 shelters too and I bet the one on Hall Ings could be used as a giant temporary shelter for Bridge Street, get the army involved and it'll be sorted in 5 days lol!
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Post by deerfold on May 18, 2024 12:52:51 GMT 1
A temporary bus station could easily be built just like that, 3 x shelters on Nelson Street with another 4 in the layover area of the car park, that's all that's needed. There is a spare shelter going in Beeston (one outside Co Op, hasn't got any useful services using it as the next stop along is the terminus!) so that simply could be dug up then re-located to Nelson Street. Another shelter down The Headrow is only used for the X84 alighting passengers, defo no need for a shelter there so that too could be dug up and re-located. I bet there are plenty of others not needed. All Bridge Street needs is 3 shelters too and I bet the one on Hall Ings could be used as a giant temporary shelter for Bridge Street, get the army involved and it'll be sorted in 5 days lol! How do you suggest WYCA get the army involved? |
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Post by WYBS on May 18, 2024 13:06:10 GMT 1
A temporary bus station could easily be built just like that, 3 x shelters on Nelson Street with another 4 in the layover area of the car park, that's all that's needed. There is a spare shelter going in Beeston (one outside Co Op, hasn't got any useful services using it as the next stop along is the terminus!) so that simply could be dug up then re-located to Nelson Street. Another shelter down The Headrow is only used for the X84 alighting passengers, defo no need for a shelter there so that too could be dug up and re-located. I bet there are plenty of others not needed. All Bridge Street needs is 3 shelters too and I bet the one on Hall Ings could be used as a giant temporary shelter for Bridge Street, get the army involved and it'll be sorted in 5 days lol! How do you suggest WYCA get the army involved? 😆😆😆 |
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Post by shelf81 on May 18, 2024 13:21:22 GMT 1
A temporary bus station could easily be built just like that, 3 x shelters on Nelson Street with another 4 in the layover area of the car park, that's all that's needed. There is a spare shelter going in Beeston (one outside Co Op, hasn't got any useful services using it as the next stop along is the terminus!) so that simply could be dug up then re-located to Nelson Street. Another shelter down The Headrow is only used for the X84 alighting passengers, defo no need for a shelter there so that too could be dug up and re-located. I bet there are plenty of others not needed. All Bridge Street needs is 3 shelters too and I bet the one on Hall Ings could be used as a giant temporary shelter for Bridge Street, get the army involved and it'll be sorted in 5 days lol! BIB Are you meaning reopening Hall Ings for buses to use (what would make sense to be fair) or having the army dig up the big shelter & move it to Bridge Street, assuming there would even be room? |
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Post by rodneytrotter on May 18, 2024 13:25:43 GMT 1
Am i the only one who doesn't believe a single word that the WYCA/Brabin/Bradford Council says? I get the impression they are more bothered about this city of culture rubbish than genuinely listening to the residents of Bradford or wanting to do the best by Bradford residents.
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Post by sharksmith on May 18, 2024 13:59:42 GMT 1
The story is not so much that there is no resolution to Bradford's problems, these things clearly take time. It's the fact that it's not even on the agenda!
I spend half my working life in meetings and you would think that this, as one of WYCA's biggest issues at the moment, would be a standing item on their agenda until resolved. I've not fact checked the T&A but if true that it's not on the agenda it's quite baffling that it isn't. Even if it just becomes one of those agenda items which is covered as simply as, 'anything to report', 'No,' 'OK we'll leave this on the agenda for next time', you would still expect it to be on there.
This whole saga from start to finish seems iffy, councillors and the press can't get answers, freedom of information requests being rejected, it all just feels wrong. I don't know if people have been following reader comments in the local press but if you think we're harsh on them you haven't seen anything yet. You would have thought they'd be falling over themselves to update us instead of leaving their inner workings in the murk.
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Post by pjb on May 18, 2024 14:04:09 GMT 1
So despite nearly 6 months of closure of the interchange there’s nothing on the agenda for WYCAs next meeting about it! How can this be when they need to at least update us as the last info supplied was “closed until June” and we are almost there? What happened to the idea of at least getting the lower concourse open for rail passengers to access toilets and refreshments again and an interim plan for the buses? Have WYCA just given up on doing anything at all? They can’t expect passengers to put up with the current chaos and appalling facilities forever. www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24328986.no-mention-interchange-transport-agenda-staggering/The mayor has already stated she's not willing to re-open it AT ALL until she's fully satisified it's safe to re-open. I've even posted the article a couple of items up. Some of the structual surveys that's been carried out will have to be done more than once. They'll also be having to assess suitable locations to build a temporary bus station so again structal surveys will be needed then quotes needed to build it. You’d expect there would be an update on what the surveys have found so far (that have been taking place for 5 months by now), you’d also expect some sort of plan of action about the rail station facilities - as Interchange rail station isn’t going anywhere else). The continued silence and lack of action is appaling. If Tracy will say she will keep things closed until she’s satisfied it’s safe then perhaps she can tell us what parts exactly are unsafe and what she has found so far? And answer questions as to why bus drivers can still use their canteen above Greggs in the Interchange yet Greggs and the lower concourse toilets remain shut to the public. |
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Post by leedsbusman on May 18, 2024 14:05:16 GMT 1
The story is not so much that there is no resolution to Bradford's problems, these things clearly take time. It's the fact that it's not even on the agenda! I spend half my working life in meetings and you would think that this, as one of WYCA's biggest issues at the moment, would be a standing item on their agenda until resolved. I've not fact checked the T&A but if true that it's not on the agenda it's quite baffling that it isn't. Even if it just becomes one of those agenda items which is covered as simply as, 'anything to report', 'No,' 'OK we'll leave this on the agenda for next time', you would still expect it to be on there. This whole saga from start to finish seems iffy, councillors and the press can't get answers, freedom of information requests being rejected, it all just feels wrong. I don't know if people have been following reader comments in the local press but if you think we're harsh on them you haven't seen anything yet. You would have thought they'd be falling over themselves to update us instead of leaving their inner workings in the murk. No point in an agenda item if there is nothing to report. If anyone wants to ask it can be covered in matters arising from the minutes surely. |
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Post by sharksmith on May 18, 2024 14:33:18 GMT 1
The story is not so much that there is no resolution to Bradford's problems, these things clearly take time. It's the fact that it's not even on the agenda! I spend half my working life in meetings and you would think that this, as one of WYCA's biggest issues at the moment, would be a standing item on their agenda until resolved. I've not fact checked the T&A but if true that it's not on the agenda it's quite baffling that it isn't. Even if it just becomes one of those agenda items which is covered as simply as, 'anything to report', 'No,' 'OK we'll leave this on the agenda for next time', you would still expect it to be on there. This whole saga from start to finish seems iffy, councillors and the press can't get answers, freedom of information requests being rejected, it all just feels wrong. I don't know if people have been following reader comments in the local press but if you think we're harsh on them you haven't seen anything yet. You would have thought they'd be falling over themselves to update us instead of leaving their inner workings in the murk. No point in an agenda item if there is nothing to report. If anyone wants to ask it can be covered in matters arising from the minutes surely. If it falls into matters arising from the previous minutes, what happens the next meeting, does it just get forgotten. It seems like they would like everyone to forget about it. I've never seen such an important item not included as a standing item on the agenda. It's much too important to fall under any other business. If it had been included on the agenda the T&A wouldn't have had a story, or at least would have had to approach the topic from a different direction. |
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Post by leedsbusman on May 18, 2024 15:10:06 GMT 1
No point in an agenda item if there is nothing to report. If anyone wants to ask it can be covered in matters arising from the minutes surely. If it falls into matters arising from the previous minutes, what happens the next meeting, does it just get forgotten. It seems like they would like everyone to forget about it. I've never seen such an important item not included as a standing item on the agenda. It's much too important to fall under any other business. If it had been included on the agenda the T&A wouldn't have had a story, or at least would have had to approach the topic from a different direction. Obviously it’s not going to get forgotten about. It will just be brought to the relevant meeting where a decision is needed. I’m sure had it been on the agenda with a paper that said no update then the T&A would have made a story. Edit: having read the report packs - there wasn’t any reference to it in the last meeting either. Odd that it seems fine not to have had it on that agenda 😂 |
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Post by joseph on May 18, 2024 16:35:01 GMT 1
A temporary bus station could easily be built just like that, 3 x shelters on Nelson Street with another 4 in the layover area of the car park, that's all that's needed. There is a spare shelter going in Beeston (one outside Co Op, hasn't got any useful services using it as the next stop along is the terminus!) so that simply could be dug up then re-located to Nelson Street. Another shelter down The Headrow is only used for the X84 alighting passengers, defo no need for a shelter there so that too could be dug up and re-located. I bet there are plenty of others not needed. All Bridge Street needs is 3 shelters too and I bet the one on Hall Ings could be used as a giant temporary shelter for Bridge Street, get the army involved and it'll be sorted in 5 days lol! BIB Are you meaning reopening Hall Ings for buses to use (what would make sense to be fair) or having the army dig up the big shelter & move it to Bridge Street, assuming there would even be room? Dig up part of the giant shelter and move it onto Bridge Street, Wensleydale Railway commissioned the army to lay 3 miles worth of track so if they can do it, I don't see why WYCA can't approach them and pay them to knock up a small bus station, I also don't see the army thinking 'can't be done' for anything, when they put their mind to it then it's done, simple as that. All civvies seem to do is think problem rather than solution, having worked with the army during foot and mouth they defo got shed loads done that you would think can't be done. Incidentally, what an absolute waste all those works on Hall Ings were if it all goes to scrap! |
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Post by rikki85 on May 18, 2024 16:48:45 GMT 1
Yes. The Bradford Interchange name wasn't used until 1983. The plans for the bus station predated Metro, though, being the brainchild of Bradford Council. The Interchange name was used from its opening in March 1977 see screenshot below from timetable world: View AttachmentActually, the name was used for the bus station but the rail station continued to be called Bradford Exchange until 1983. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 18, 2024 19:55:37 GMT 1
I am enjoying the fact that the T&A seem to be not letting go and keeping the pressure on
There was a time when the T&A would print any old council press release and not question it at all
Those council meetings are the blandest talking shops where nothing gets decided and all action points are wishy washy. Nobody in those meetings would be able to work in the private sector.
There are some very basic things that could have been done by now. Portaloos at the railway station, more shelters on Nelson Street. Allowing the 268/640/576 etc to actually load in the car park so they don’t have to circle around to leave the city.
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