Which routes will WY operators probably axe/cut?

[joseph]

Following the post on the fleet changes thread hinting at the possibility of service cuts by First, I thought it would be good to list routes First may keep, reduce in frequency, cut the route or axe all together.

For me, the one big route they'll cut all together is the 65, as it's never had that many boarding from Holbeck to Morley, probably no more than about 15 which isn't good enough really. The 55 and 75 can easily be re-timed to provide Holbeck with a more even frequency, or they may simply re-route the 51 and 52 via Holbeck using resources from an axed 55/65/75. Old Lane doesn't have much of a useable service, and each end is in walking distance of other buses. The stops in the middle of Old Lane never see anything more than 10 boarding towards Leeds, yes it means Holbeck loses it's link with Asda, but there is an 86 to Hunslet Morrisons and it's a shortish walk down to Mc Donalds for the 51/52 for Morley Asda. 

I can't see service 1 and 1B continuing as they are, because they are so dam unreliable! What we could see is a curtailed service 1 between Beeston and Town every 20 mins, with a split service 1 every half hour on the North Leeds bit, with the 29 extended to cover Beckett Park which makes sense as that's hardly used.

I can see many fringe services in North Leeds getting drastically cut back, like the 7 group around posh Alwoodley or the 48 up Wigton Moor maybe getting cut to Sainsburys/Moortown. I've only seen penny numbers on the stretches north of the ring road for many journeys.

The 47 and 48 are bound to be cut beyond Middleton, I was on one mid Saturday afternoon that only had 6 people on board past Asda, and that's with the previous journey cancelled! Every time I see them on the Ring Road to/from White Rose, they are practically empty!

What other cuts do you think they'll be

[mattb7tl]

Jun 25, 2022 21:40:20 GMT 1 joseph said:

Following the post on the fleet changes thread hinting at the possibility of service cuts by First, I thought it would be good to list routes First may keep, reduce in frequency, cut the route or axe all together.

For me, the one big route they'll cut all together is the 65, as it's never had that many boarding from Holbeck to Morley, probably no more than about 15 which isn't good enough really. The 55 and 75 can easily be re-timed to provide Holbeck with a more even frequency, or they may simply re-route the 51 and 52 via Holbeck using resources from an axed 55/65/75. Old Lane doesn't have much of a useable service, and each end is in walking distance of other buses. The stops in the middle of Old Lane never see anything more than 10 boarding towards Leeds, yes it means Holbeck loses it's link with Asda, but there is an 86 to Hunslet Morrisons and it's a shortish walk down to Mc Donalds for the 51/52 for Morley Asda. 

I can't see service 1 and 1B continuing as they are, because they are so dam unreliable! What we could see is a curtailed service 1 between Beeston and Town every 20 mins, with a split service 1 every half hour on the North Leeds bit, with the 29 extended to cover Beckett Park which makes sense as that's hardly used.

I can see many fringe services in North Leeds getting drastically cut back, like the 7 group around posh Alwoodley or the 48 up Wigton Moor maybe getting cut to Sainsburys/Moortown. I've only seen penny numbers on the stretches north of the ring road for many journeys.

The 47 and 48 are bound to be cut beyond Middleton, I was on one mid Saturday afternoon that only had 6 people on board past Asda, and that's with the previous journey cancelled! Every time I see them on the Ring Road to/from White Rose, they are practically empty!

What other cuts do you think they'll be

Huddersfield:

370/371: It's only busy in one direction, towards Lindley. I can imagine this route being split up with the other side of the route having a different frequency.
372/328: Will most likely be permanently reduced to their current 15 minute frequency, these routes have definitely recovered from the pandemic. However, I don't think first is willing to add an extra driver just to increase the frequency by three minutes.
342/356/358: Withdrawn, transdev would most likely take over these routes, as they already run the later buses for the 356 & 358. Unsure about the 342.
181/183: I think either one of the routes would be cut and the one that remains would have double the frequency.

[stephen01]

Jun 25, 2022 21:40:20 GMT 1 joseph said:

Following the post on the fleet changes thread hinting at the possibility of service cuts by First, I thought it would be good to list routes First may keep, reduce in frequency, cut the route or axe all together.

For me, the one big route they'll cut all together is the 65, as it's never had that many boarding from Holbeck to Morley, probably no more than about 15 which isn't good enough really. The 55 and 75 can easily be re-timed to provide Holbeck with a more even frequency, or they may simply re-route the 51 and 52 via Holbeck using resources from an axed 55/65/75. Old Lane doesn't have much of a useable service, and each end is in walking distance of other buses. The stops in the middle of Old Lane never see anything more than 10 boarding towards Leeds, yes it means Holbeck loses it's link with Asda, but there is an 86 to Hunslet Morrisons and it's a shortish walk down to Mc Donalds for the 51/52 for Morley Asda. 

I can't see service 1 and 1B continuing as they are, because they are so dam unreliable! What we could see is a curtailed service 1 between Beeston and Town every 20 mins, with a split service 1 every half hour on the North Leeds bit, with the 29 extended to cover Beckett Park which makes sense as that's hardly used.

I can see many fringe services in North Leeds getting drastically cut back, like the 7 group around posh Alwoodley or the 48 up Wigton Moor maybe getting cut to Sainsburys/Moortown. I've only seen penny numbers on the stretches north of the ring road for many journeys.

The 47 and 48 are bound to be cut beyond Middleton, I was on one mid Saturday afternoon that only had 6 people on board past Asda, and that's with the previous journey cancelled! Every time I see them on the Ring Road to/from White Rose, they are practically empty!

What other cuts do you think they'll be

you mean the 46 & 47. The 48 wont be cut as that was included in the Zebra funding bid. If any routes were to be cut though you'd think they'd go for routes that barely operate or only operate odd trip here & there. As for the 1 series they just can't win as they must be on at least the 20th reincarnation of it. 55 could be a good bet actually given it it's already had the most reductions since the pandemic. Plus doubt it will be 75 coz that interworks with the 74.

[stephen01]

Jun 25, 2022 22:00:52 GMT 1 mattb7tl said:

Jun 25, 2022 21:40:20 GMT 1 joseph said:

Following the post on the fleet changes thread hinting at the possibility of service cuts by First, I thought it would be good to list routes First may keep, reduce in frequency, cut the route or axe all together.

For me, the one big route they'll cut all together is the 65, as it's never had that many boarding from Holbeck to Morley, probably no more than about 15 which isn't good enough really. The 55 and 75 can easily be re-timed to provide Holbeck with a more even frequency, or they may simply re-route the 51 and 52 via Holbeck using resources from an axed 55/65/75. Old Lane doesn't have much of a useable service, and each end is in walking distance of other buses. The stops in the middle of Old Lane never see anything more than 10 boarding towards Leeds, yes it means Holbeck loses it's link with Asda, but there is an 86 to Hunslet Morrisons and it's a shortish walk down to Mc Donalds for the 51/52 for Morley Asda. 

I can't see service 1 and 1B continuing as they are, because they are so dam unreliable! What we could see is a curtailed service 1 between Beeston and Town every 20 mins, with a split service 1 every half hour on the North Leeds bit, with the 29 extended to cover Beckett Park which makes sense as that's hardly used.

I can see many fringe services in North Leeds getting drastically cut back, like the 7 group around posh Alwoodley or the 48 up Wigton Moor maybe getting cut to Sainsburys/Moortown. I've only seen penny numbers on the stretches north of the ring road for many journeys.

The 47 and 48 are bound to be cut beyond Middleton, I was on one mid Saturday afternoon that only had 6 people on board past Asda, and that's with the previous journey cancelled! Every time I see them on the Ring Road to/from White Rose, they are practically empty!

What other cuts do you think they'll be

Huddersfield:

370/371: It's only busy in one direction, towards Lindley. I can imagine this route being split up with the other side of the route having a different frequency.
372/328: Will most likely be permanently reduced to their current 15 minute frequency, these routes have definitely recovered from the pandemic. However, I don't think first is willing to add an extra driver just to increase the frequency by three minutes.
342/356/358: Withdrawn, transdev would most likely take over these routes, as they already run the later buses for the 356 & 358. Unsure about the 342.
181/183: I think either one of the routes would be cut and the one that remains would have double the frequency.

342 could go to CT Plus as they already do 1 or 2 trips on it. Problem with 370/371/372 is they run too close together plus you've also got the trips run by Streamline between town and Lindley so in that situation First would need to work with them to better co-ordinate the frequency for both operators. Team Pennine I can see taking on 323, 327, 356 & 358 too BUT only if they've enough staff. I can also see First surrending their remaining trips on 360 too.

[WYBS]

Some I would hate to see go, but wouldn't be surprised with incompetent First management:

86 terminate at Bramley
87 cut totally
11 withdrawn and run by another operator
14 cut to Bramley only
55/55c gone
65 hmmm, not sure
85 gone

Reductions to the Huddersfield Manchester Road corridor.
387 withdrawn and run by another operator
308 to Honley only hourly
537 withdrawn
571 withdrawn and run by another operator

630 withdrasn and run by another operator
680 terminating at BRI

Then just loads of generic reductions to high frequency corridors.

[Username]

Jun 25, 2022 22:00:52 GMT 1 mattb7tl said:

Jun 25, 2022 21:40:20 GMT 1 joseph said:

Following the post on the fleet changes thread hinting at the possibility of service cuts by First, I thought it would be good to list routes First may keep, reduce in frequency, cut the route or axe all together.

For me, the one big route they'll cut all together is the 65, as it's never had that many boarding from Holbeck to Morley, probably no more than about 15 which isn't good enough really. The 55 and 75 can easily be re-timed to provide Holbeck with a more even frequency, or they may simply re-route the 51 and 52 via Holbeck using resources from an axed 55/65/75. Old Lane doesn't have much of a useable service, and each end is in walking distance of other buses. The stops in the middle of Old Lane never see anything more than 10 boarding towards Leeds, yes it means Holbeck loses it's link with Asda, but there is an 86 to Hunslet Morrisons and it's a shortish walk down to Mc Donalds for the 51/52 for Morley Asda. 

I can't see service 1 and 1B continuing as they are, because they are so dam unreliable! What we could see is a curtailed service 1 between Beeston and Town every 20 mins, with a split service 1 every half hour on the North Leeds bit, with the 29 extended to cover Beckett Park which makes sense as that's hardly used.

I can see many fringe services in North Leeds getting drastically cut back, like the 7 group around posh Alwoodley or the 48 up Wigton Moor maybe getting cut to Sainsburys/Moortown. I've only seen penny numbers on the stretches north of the ring road for many journeys.

The 47 and 48 are bound to be cut beyond Middleton, I was on one mid Saturday afternoon that only had 6 people on board past Asda, and that's with the previous journey cancelled! Every time I see them on the Ring Road to/from White Rose, they are practically empty!

What other cuts do you think they'll be

Huddersfield:

370/371: It's only busy in one direction, towards Lindley. I can imagine this route being split up with the other side of the route having a different frequency.
372/328: Will most likely be permanently reduced to their current 15 minute frequency, these routes have definitely recovered from the pandemic. However, I don't think first is willing to add an extra driver just to increase the frequency by three minutes.
342/356/358: Withdrawn, transdev would most likely take over these routes, as they already run the later buses for the 356 & 358. Unsure about the 342.
181/183: I think either one of the routes would be cut and the one that remains would have double the frequency.

CT Plus would be a good option for 342 as they already run one journey on it.

[stephen01]

Jun 25, 2022 22:39:11 GMT 1 WYBS said:

Some I would hate to see go, but wouldn't be surprised with incompetent First management:

86 terminate at Bramley
87 cut totally
11 withdrawn and run by another operator
14 cut to Bramley only
55/55c gone
65 hmmm, not sure
85 gone

Reductions to the Huddersfield Manchester Road corridor.
387 withdrawn and run by another operator
308 to Honley only hourly
537 withdrawn
571 withdrawn and run by another operator

630 withdrasn and run by another operator
680 terminating at BRI

Then just loads of generic reductions to high frequency corridors.

11/11E could go back to CT Plus given they're losing nearly all the Wakefield Stage-carriage work bar the early morning ad-hoc trips. 630 and even 680 i can see been handed over to TLC given TLC do the evening and Sunday trips. 571 i can see going to Team Pennine.

[Deleted]

Jun 25, 2022 21:40:20 GMT 1 joseph said:

Following the post on the fleet changes thread hinting at the possibility of service cuts by First, I thought it would be good to list routes First may keep, reduce in frequency, cut the route or axe all together.

For me, the one big route they'll cut all together is the 65, as it's never had that many boarding from Holbeck to Morley, probably no more than about 15 which isn't good enough really. The 55 and 75 can easily be re-timed to provide Holbeck with a more even frequency, or they may simply re-route the 51 and 52 via Holbeck using resources from an axed 55/65/75. Old Lane doesn't have much of a useable service, and each end is in walking distance of other buses. The stops in the middle of Old Lane never see anything more than 10 boarding towards Leeds, yes it means Holbeck loses it's link with Asda, but there is an 86 to Hunslet Morrisons and it's a shortish walk down to Mc Donalds for the 51/52 for Morley Asda. 

I can't see service 1 and 1B continuing as they are, because they are so dam unreliable! What we could see is a curtailed service 1 between Beeston and Town every 20 mins, with a split service 1 every half hour on the North Leeds bit, with the 29 extended to cover Beckett Park which makes sense as that's hardly used.

I can see many fringe services in North Leeds getting drastically cut back, like the 7 group around posh Alwoodley or the 48 up Wigton Moor maybe getting cut to Sainsburys/Moortown. I've only seen penny numbers on the stretches north of the ring road for many journeys.

The 47 and 48 are bound to be cut beyond Middleton, I was on one mid Saturday afternoon that only had 6 people on board past Asda, and that's with the previous journey cancelled! Every time I see them on the Ring Road to/from White Rose, they are practically empty!

What other cuts do you think they'll be

In Leeds i agree with the suggestion over 48 being withdrawn,possibly with 1 or 2 route 7s per hour getting extended to Wigton Moor like what they used to do on a Sunday,I'm fairly surprised in Bradford the 622 has survived this long,as that seems like an easy one to cut with it all being covered either by the 626 or Transdev services. I Wouldn't be too surprised to see some sort of changes/cutbacks to the 615/6/680 routes from Bradford to Bingley/Cottingley,as they've always been the poorer relations to the likes of 617/8/620. The likes of 508 & 630 seem likely candidates also,I'd say the 610 but i'm assuming thats tendered?

I always thought Routes 46/7 In Leeds had some sort of funding (probably de minimis rather than being a fully tendered route) hence why they've not been cut (& it would sort of explain the various different routes/numbers these have had over the years)

In Huddersfield on the Manchester Road corridor,if they would agree the changes with First GM i wounder if we could see a 183/184 merger,with it turning off Manchester Road just after Redbrook Reservoir coming out of Standedge down Mount Road to Marsden Hard End before running the current 183 route into Huddersfield (Keeping the current 30Min Frequency to Linthwaite Church alongside 181),with the half hourly 185 as like now making a flat 15min frequency.

If First did look at axing services,it could end in a similar agreement to whats happened with Go North East around Tyne & Wear/County Durham recently,so it ends up First keep the routes with de minimis payments instead of them going out to full tender & another operator picking them up.

[Username]

Jun 25, 2022 22:39:11 GMT 1 WYBS said:

Some I would hate to see go, but wouldn't be surprised with incompetent First management:

86 terminate at Bramley
87 cut totally
11 withdrawn and run by another operator
14 cut to Bramley only
55/55c gone
65 hmmm, not sure
85 gone

Reductions to the Huddersfield Manchester Road corridor.
387 withdrawn and run by another operator
308 to Honley only hourly
537 withdrawn
571 withdrawn and run by another operator

630 withdrasn and run by another operator
680 terminating at BRI

Then just loads of generic reductions to high frequency corridors.

First will not withdrawn the 537. I know there aren't enough passengers needed for double deckers however it still serves important part in the Stainland/Holywell Green Civil Parish area. It also makes good money.

[Username]

Jun 25, 2022 22:46:22 GMT 1 stephen01 said:

Jun 25, 2022 22:39:11 GMT 1 WYBS said:

Some I would hate to see go, but wouldn't be surprised with incompetent First management:

86 terminate at Bramley
87 cut totally
11 withdrawn and run by another operator
14 cut to Bramley only
55/55c gone
65 hmmm, not sure
85 gone

Reductions to the Huddersfield Manchester Road corridor.
387 withdrawn and run by another operator
308 to Honley only hourly
537 withdrawn
571 withdrawn and run by another operator

630 withdrasn and run by another operator
680 terminating at BRI

Then just loads of generic reductions to high frequency corridors.

11/11E could go back to CT Plus given they're losing nearly all the Wakefield Stage-carriage work bar the early morning ad-hoc trips. 630 and even 680 i can see been handed over to TLC given TLC do the evening and Sunday trips. 571 i can see going to Team Pennine.

I am pretty sure the 571 will be cut to run Halifax to Lightcliffe via Southowram and Brighouse and then a new route replacing the Lightcliffe to Bradford section as a seperate route. As let's be honest who ever does the full 571.

[stephen01]

Jun 25, 2022 22:50:49 GMT 1 Username said:

Jun 25, 2022 22:46:22 GMT 1 stephen01 said:

11/11E could go back to CT Plus given they're losing nearly all the Wakefield Stage-carriage work bar the early morning ad-hoc trips. 630 and even 680 i can see been handed over to TLC given TLC do the evening and Sunday trips. 571 i can see going to Team Pennine.

I am pretty sure the 571 will be cut to run Halifax to Lightcliffe via Southowram and Brighouse and then a new route replacing the Lightcliffe to Bradford section as a seperate route. As let's be honest who ever does the full 571.

Could work but would depend on feedback if they do a public consultation review of changes like GNE have

[stephen01]

Jun 25, 2022 22:47:32 GMT 1 Username said:

Jun 25, 2022 22:39:11 GMT 1 WYBS said:

Some I would hate to see go, but wouldn't be surprised with incompetent First management:

86 terminate at Bramley
87 cut totally
11 withdrawn and run by another operator
14 cut to Bramley only
55/55c gone
65 hmmm, not sure
85 gone

Reductions to the Huddersfield Manchester Road corridor.
387 withdrawn and run by another operator
308 to Honley only hourly
537 withdrawn
571 withdrawn and run by another operator

630 withdrasn and run by another operator
680 terminating at BRI

Then just loads of generic reductions to high frequency corridors.

First will not withdrawn the 537. I know there aren't enough passengers needed for double deckers however it still serves important part in the Stainland/Holywell Green Civil Parish area. It also makes good money.

if the 537 did get withdrawn by First though the logical step would be transfer it to Team Pennine.

[gledhill56]

Jun 25, 2022 22:47:18 GMT 1 @cp2012 said:

In Huddersfield on the Manchester Road corridor,if they would agree the changes with First GM i wounder if we could see a 183/184 merger,with it turning off Manchester Road just after Redbrook Reservoir coming out of Standedge down Mount Road to Marsden Hard End before running the current 183 route into Huddersfield (Keeping the current 30Min Frequency to Linthwaite Church alongside 181),with the half hourly 185 as like now making a flat 15min frequency.

Was this not the original arrangement when the 184 originally replaced the 365? I remember several Oldham drivers forgetting to do the Hard End section of the route in the early days.

[joseph]

I'm surprised First haven't diverted the 184 via Hard End as a replacement for the 183 because using Mount Road could be a bit quicker bearing in mind it's more direct than the A62, and it's not far off the A62 to Hard End. Additionally, the 184 is timed quite close to the 185 inbound so it could do with a good re-cast of the timetable.

In Leeds, I wonder if they'll axe the 86, because all parts are served by other services even if that does mean changing elsewhere and it's not really that busy, at peak time I observed a half full bus in Holbeck towards Bramley, where as the 75 I was on was rammed due to a long gap to the next bus 1, could have done with having that 86 on the 1 instead lol.

What First will be taking into account is how much costs are going up, and what percentage profit each route will now need to make for it to survive. Personally I recon if a route has the majority of it's journeys only half full, or less, then I'd say it's in for cutting bearing in mind these were the types of services that were marginally profitable before all these costs like wages, utility supplies for depots etc went up.

[77syk7]

Back to Calderdale.........I must admit the 571 does seem like a possibility of the one being cut back - never a money-spinning service.
The 571 (and the previous 570 via Lumbrook ie Main Road) were introduced in the mid-70s, joining 3 previous routes, the 550 Halifax Corporation Halifax - Brighouse, the 547 Brighouse - Stoney Lane and then the link up to Hipperholme to replace the ex-Hebble 26/26A Hipperholme - Shelf - Bradford.
The only missing road if withdrawn from Stoney Lane - Bradford would be the Hipperholme to Stone Chair section. However, this is a main road and populated with houses and businesses for at least half a mile out of Hipperholme- there would need to be some replacement. No need to divert via Coley for every trip - every other would suffice. Cannot easily see a solution here, as there is not turning facilities in the very busy and congested Hipperholme Cross Roads. Maybe all will become clear by the end of next week!

[kendall17]

All this so & so can take over the route etc.

Have they found the magic pot of drivers at the end of the rainbow?

[joseph]

The Stone Chair to Hipperholme section of the 571 could be replaced by diverting the South Pennine 226 via Northowram, Stone Chair and the 571 route down to Hipperholme, then as normal route to Norwood Green. Would take longer but not that much longer.

[77syk7]

Yes, a possible solution - but we would need more than 2 journeys a day.

[joseph]

Jun 26, 2022 11:43:23 GMT 1 77syk7 said:

Yes, a possible solution - but we would need more than 2 journeys a day.

I'm not convinced it really warrants anything more than a handful of journeys as it's only a half mile section of housing, plus a small village that will be served. At best, the C50 could become al all year round contract, and extended at either end to start from Stone Chair and finish at Halifax AM and vice versa PM, with maybe an additional peak journey using the bus that forms the 4pm X49 from Brighouse. Instead, this would make it's way to Halifax to form the extra peak PM bus running as my proposed 226 to Hipperholme then on to Brighouse to form a later X49 back to Huddersfield.  I think 3 buses to Halifax, and 4 from Halifax Mon to Fri would be enough, with 2 each way on Saturdays for such a small section of housing.

[Burnside]

In Bradford, I could see the 622 going.

Runs the same route as the 662 (which is twice as frequent) apart from serving Shipley Market Square, there'd still be the 60 linking Shipley and Bingley and since it no longer serves Eldwick, seems a bit unneeded.

The 626 would still provide a service between Bradford and Shipley along Manningham Lane every 20 minutes and 662 keeps the link to Bingley via Manningham Lane.

The 85 between Leeds and Pool could be a candidate, especially with its poor frequency.

Could also see the 571 cut to Halifax to Brighouse only, maybe Team Pennine could extend the 526 from Shelf via Coley and Hipperholme and then interwork with the 563 back to Halifax?

[Username]

Jun 26, 2022 16:23:14 GMT 1 Burnside said:

In Bradford, I could see the 622 going.

Runs the same route as the 662 (which is twice as frequent) apart from serving Shipley Market Square, there'd still be the 60 linking Shipley and Bingley and since it no longer serves Eldwick, seems a bit unneeded.

The 626 would still provide a service between Bradford and Shipley along Manningham Lane every 20 minutes and 662 keeps the link to Bingley via Manningham Lane.

The 85 between Leeds and Pool could be a candidate, especially with its poor frequency.

Could also see the 571 cut to Halifax to Brighouse only, maybe Team Pennine could extend the 526 from Shelf via Coley and Hipperholme and then interwork with the 563 back to Halifax?

The 526 is a long route already as it is. It would be better running the 571 to Lightcliffe during the day and then probably getting someone like TLC to run Bradford to Brighouse via Hipperholme.

[Bradford Traveller]

The 622 currently runs at the same times as the 60

[stephen01]

Jun 26, 2022 16:23:14 GMT 1 Burnside said:

In Bradford, I could see the 622 going.

Runs the same route as the 662 (which is twice as frequent) apart from serving Shipley Market Square, there'd still be the 60 linking Shipley and Bingley and since it no longer serves Eldwick, seems a bit unneeded.

The 626 would still provide a service between Bradford and Shipley along Manningham Lane every 20 minutes and 662 keeps the link to Bingley via Manningham Lane.

The 85 between Leeds and Pool could be a candidate, especially with its poor frequency.

Could also see the 571 cut to Halifax to Brighouse only, maybe Team Pennine could extend the 526 from Shelf via Coley and Hipperholme and then interwork with the 563 back to Halifax?

ooooh 85 is a good call. Can see it going to Flyer somehow like the 784 did

[WYBS]

Jun 26, 2022 18:02:12 GMT 1 stephen01 said:

Jun 26, 2022 16:23:14 GMT 1 Burnside said:

In Bradford, I could see the 622 going.

Runs the same route as the 662 (which is twice as frequent) apart from serving Shipley Market Square, there'd still be the 60 linking Shipley and Bingley and since it no longer serves Eldwick, seems a bit unneeded.

The 626 would still provide a service between Bradford and Shipley along Manningham Lane every 20 minutes and 662 keeps the link to Bingley via Manningham Lane.

The 85 between Leeds and Pool could be a candidate, especially with its poor frequency.

Could also see the 571 cut to Halifax to Brighouse only, maybe Team Pennine could extend the 526 from Shelf via Coley and Hipperholme and then interwork with the 563 back to Halifax?

ooooh 85 is a good call. Can see it going to Flyer somehow like the 784 did

I honestly don't see the point in its existence

[westyorkshirebus]

Jun 26, 2022 9:36:42 GMT 1 kendall17 said:

All this so & so can take over the route etc.

Have they found the magic pot of drivers at the end of the rainbow?

If I had a pound for every time someone suggested that Transdev take over a route, as if it’s as easy as that