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Post by huddsbus on Apr 13, 2023 20:07:19 GMT 1
Most likely 37800 ex London just had a new engine. How many of the ex London ones are Huddersfield getting? As currently 5 is on bustimes but they hardly get used from when I am around Huddersfield, any reason why? Doubt they all need new engines 5 at Huddersfield, 37800 just had new engine or a recon. All the others are out, sometimes used on the schools. Bustimes is incorrect some of the time.
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Post by Username on Apr 13, 2023 23:25:42 GMT 1
How many of the ex London ones are Huddersfield getting? As currently 5 is on bustimes but they hardly get used from when I am around Huddersfield, any reason why? Doubt they all need new engines They do work but they don't seem to be out every day, The Halifax five are very rare to get working on public services Because schools apparently have less vandalism which is hard to believe. Halifax gets modern buses and decides to put them on schools. GOOD INVESTMENT! Might as well have kept those B7s.
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Post by stephen01 on Apr 14, 2023 5:49:34 GMT 1
They do work but they don't seem to be out every day, The Halifax five are very rare to get working on public services Because schools apparently have less vandalism which is hard to believe. Halifax gets modern buses and decides to put them on schools. GOOD INVESTMENT! Might as well have kept those B7s. The majority of the school contracts require buses to be at least euro 5/euro 6 hence why Metro stumped for all the BMC Condors to be converted. Even Accessbus now has to be euro 6 compliant.
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 14, 2023 6:48:17 GMT 1
They do work but they don't seem to be out every day, The Halifax five are very rare to get working on public services Because schools apparently have less vandalism which is hard to believe. Halifax gets modern buses and decides to put them on schools. GOOD INVESTMENT! Might as well have kept those B7s. Is it hard to believe? Kids are on the bus 2 hours tops a day. A bus can be out in normal service 15 hours, with every man and his dog getting on, including kids.
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Post by ratty on Apr 14, 2023 10:30:44 GMT 1
Because schools apparently have less vandalism which is hard to believe. Halifax gets modern buses and decides to put them on schools. GOOD INVESTMENT! Might as well have kept those B7s. Is it hard to believe? Kids are on the bus 2 hours tops a day. A bus can be out in normal service 15 hours, with every man and his dog getting on, including kids. Bit out of touch nowadays, living in Blackpool does not help. But perhaps somebody who really knows could respond. By that, I mean somebody who works at Halifax and not a Bus times spotter. But here is my suspicion. The London buses were purchased under the YSB cost centre, as opposed to the service bus cost centre. YSB's arrival had returned the operation to a 2 garage operation at Halifax to Halifax Corporation/ JOC days. As in those days buses bought for YSB are garaged at Elmwood, whilst the general service fleet is garaged and probably costed to operate at Skircoat. Therefore, the likelihood of seeing YSB buses out at a weekend is more than likely to be making their way to Elland Road on match days, any rail replacement done by Halifax and hires. The only other time would be if the service side is short due to failures/maintenance and presumably a replacement could be 'hired' from the YSB cost centre. Of course this would operate vice versa. And that to me would explain the lack of YSB buses on service work. Huddersfield is probably costed the same but the buses are bought by the district as a whole and 'hired' to YSB On a daily basis, which could explain the more regular appearences on service work there. The one site at Old Fieldhouse makes it more difficult to seperate service from YSB work, whereas at Halifax 'two is better than one'. Ps. If I am wrong, then I am wrong
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Post by Danny on Apr 14, 2023 13:37:23 GMT 1
Because schools apparently have less vandalism which is hard to believe. Halifax gets modern buses and decides to put them on schools. GOOD INVESTMENT! Might as well have kept those B7s. Is it hard to believe? Kids are on the bus 2 hours tops a day. A bus can be out in normal service 15 hours, with every man and his dog getting on, including kids. Yes, on school work in Halifax we very rarely get vandalised. In the 7 years I've been there we've only had one window broken, as I do the allocation for the school buses you will find that I keep them on the better runs. London B9s 37773 does HNC, 37775/81 on Ryburn & 37778/9 on North Halifax
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Post by sidthesexist on Apr 14, 2023 14:27:10 GMT 1
If I was running First Bus division, I'd be auditing First Halifax and asking how the money was used to rebrand, advertise and allocate appropriate buses accordingly.
I can imagine there was money to rebrand, advertise and promote. Halifax had a half ar$ed rebrand, no advertising and no promotion, then quietly shelved a while afterwards.
I'd ask why elderly buses hit the paintshop then scrapped months afterwards.
There is a glaring black hole there, and I'd want to know where the money went.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 14:54:19 GMT 1
If I was running First Bus division, I'd be auditing First Halifax and asking how the money was used to rebrand, advertise and allocate appropriate buses accordingly. I can imagine there was money to rebrand, advertise and promote. Halifax had a half ar$ed rebrand, no advertising and no promotion, then quietly shelved a while afterwards. I'd ask why elderly buses hit the paintshop then scrapped months afterwards. There is a glaring black hole there, and I'd want to know where the money went. Isn't promotions/branding & the such approved by head office rather than the depot themselves? So they probably had a say in the stopping of HX Connect (over 'where the money was spent' maybe it needs to be pointed out a number of their B9s got a full interior refurb what the likes of Huddersfield didn't get so they was lucky on that front) I Think the repainting of elderly fleet was down to training new staff/practice purposes - Stagecoach have done this for a number of years (as if a vehicle is getting withdrawn soon it's less of a problem if a repaint is not exactly correct) unless it was just a coincidence First had a number of older B7s repainted at a time there was a big recruitment drive across all areas of staff. There has been promotion online with the Peace Hall featuring in their twitter ads of where you can travel to (minor admittedly - but it's not much less than what the likes of Leeds got)
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Apr 14, 2023 15:55:58 GMT 1
If I was running First Bus division, I'd be auditing First Halifax and asking how the money was used to rebrand, advertise and allocate appropriate buses accordingly. I can imagine there was money to rebrand, advertise and promote. Halifax had a half ar$ed rebrand, no advertising and no promotion, then quietly shelved a while afterwards. I'd ask why elderly buses hit the paintshop then scrapped months afterwards. There is a glaring black hole there, and I'd want to know where the money went. Isn't promotions/branding & the such approved by head office rather than the depot themselves? So they probably had a say in the stopping of HX Connect (over 'where the money was spent' maybe it needs to be pointed out a number of their B9s got a full interior refurb what the likes of Huddersfield didn't get so they was lucky on that front) I Think the repainting of elderly fleet was down to training new staff/practice purposes - Stagecoach have done this for a number of years (as if a vehicle is getting withdrawn soon it's less of a problem if a repaint is not exactly correct) unless it was just a coincidence First had a number of older B7s repainted at a time there was a big recruitment drive across all areas of staff. There has been promotion online with the Peace Hall featuring in their twitter ads of where you can travel to (minor admittedly - but it's not much less than what the likes of Leeds got) Nothing to do with training up new staff/practice, it was a last minute change of plan, engineering only got told last minute as there was a list from higher up that came which dictated which buses were due off fleet. One of the 667s had about £2,000 worth of bits put on it when they found out. 66758 from Bradford had all the front wheel arches rebuilt due to excessive corrosion - an incredibly labour intensive job, it then lasted a few months if that. 66753 had new fuel pump put in, great bus - the same outcome, its now laid up in Gary Hardwicks yard all smashed up from being moved within the yard. Putting it simply they weren't meant to go so soon but plans changed.
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Post by WYBS on Apr 14, 2023 16:14:21 GMT 1
Isn't promotions/branding & the such approved by head office rather than the depot themselves? So they probably had a say in the stopping of HX Connect (over 'where the money was spent' maybe it needs to be pointed out a number of their B9s got a full interior refurb what the likes of Huddersfield didn't get so they was lucky on that front) I Think the repainting of elderly fleet was down to training new staff/practice purposes - Stagecoach have done this for a number of years (as if a vehicle is getting withdrawn soon it's less of a problem if a repaint is not exactly correct) unless it was just a coincidence First had a number of older B7s repainted at a time there was a big recruitment drive across all areas of staff. There has been promotion online with the Peace Hall featuring in their twitter ads of where you can travel to (minor admittedly - but it's not much less than what the likes of Leeds got) Nothing to do with training up new staff/practice, it was a last minute change of plan, engineering only got told last minute as there was a list from higher up that came which dictated which buses were due off fleet. One of the 667s had about £2,000 worth of bits put on it when they found out. 66758 from Bradford had all the front wheel arches rebuilt due to excessive corrosion - an incredibly labour intensive job, it then lasted a few months if that. 66753 had new fuel pump put in, great bus - the same outcome, its now laid up in Gary Hardwicks yard all smashed up from being moved within the yard. Putting it simply they weren't meant to go so soon but plans changed. Do these orders from higher up come from pen pushers sat in an office looking at data on a screen rather than what is actually happening on the ground, and God forbid actually taking an interest? I think First would be a good contender for Channel 4's 'Undercover Boss', if it's still produced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 16:26:59 GMT 1
Isn't promotions/branding & the such approved by head office rather than the depot themselves? So they probably had a say in the stopping of HX Connect (over 'where the money was spent' maybe it needs to be pointed out a number of their B9s got a full interior refurb what the likes of Huddersfield didn't get so they was lucky on that front) I Think the repainting of elderly fleet was down to training new staff/practice purposes - Stagecoach have done this for a number of years (as if a vehicle is getting withdrawn soon it's less of a problem if a repaint is not exactly correct) unless it was just a coincidence First had a number of older B7s repainted at a time there was a big recruitment drive across all areas of staff. There has been promotion online with the Peace Hall featuring in their twitter ads of where you can travel to (minor admittedly - but it's not much less than what the likes of Leeds got) Nothing to do with training up new staff/practice, it was a last minute change of plan, engineering only got told last minute as there was a list from higher up that came which dictated which buses were due off fleet. One of the 667s had about £2,000 worth of bits put on it when they found out. 66758 from Bradford had all the front wheel arches rebuilt due to excessive corrosion - an incredibly labour intensive job, it then lasted a few months if that. 66753 had new fuel pump put in, great bus - the same outcome, its now laid up in Gary Hardwicks yard all smashed up from being moved within the yard. Putting it simply they weren't meant to go so soon but plans changed. Thanks for the info, I'm guessing the plans changed due to First knowing more how their network would look long term after the Covid/Driver Shortage cuts? If your able to say - what was the original plan? I Think people thought it be to run the older eclipses until the electric orders arrived & then the 2008/9 Eclipses move over. Either way going back to the original comment, if there was a 'black hole' created at Halifax, it's not their fault if was due to head office demands.
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 14, 2023 17:05:43 GMT 1
The money would’ve been better spent on high quality branding for the proper flagship bus routes. (eg… 576, 503, X63) I’m talking full refurbishments down to the walls, floors, and seats. A completely full experience, rather than a half arsed livery. With the routes being labelled as core routes in documents from the WYCA. They would probably be more than happy to help with live bus stops and improved waiting conditions. Other routes would probably benefit from growth due to these changes as they would actually have a nice, attractive network to use.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Apr 14, 2023 17:22:01 GMT 1
Nothing to do with training up new staff/practice, it was a last minute change of plan, engineering only got told last minute as there was a list from higher up that came which dictated which buses were due off fleet. One of the 667s had about £2,000 worth of bits put on it when they found out. 66758 from Bradford had all the front wheel arches rebuilt due to excessive corrosion - an incredibly labour intensive job, it then lasted a few months if that. 66753 had new fuel pump put in, great bus - the same outcome, its now laid up in Gary Hardwicks yard all smashed up from being moved within the yard. Putting it simply they weren't meant to go so soon but plans changed. Thanks for the info, I'm guessing the plans changed due to First knowing more how their network would look long term after the Covid/Driver Shortage cuts? If your able to say - what was the original plan? I Think people thought it be to run the older eclipses until the electric orders arrived & then the 2008/9 Eclipses move over. Either way going back to the original comment, if there was a 'black hole' created at Halifax, it's not their fault if was due to head office demands. Not sure on the original plan, but I would imagine similar to what you suggested. 66744 was at Volvo Crossroads in Manchester having work done which meant a phone call to Volvo saying "stop", it was then collected by PVS from Crossroads - just to give indication on how last minute the decision was. Some other factors which may have contributed to the change of direction, such as the new StreetDecks in Leeds & Bradford which freed up a lot of midlife B9 Geminis, the services which have been reduced and even withdrawn over COVID, introduction of the clean air scheme...of which Bradford is the only one to have gone ahead where as Leeds and Greater Manchester have stalled - this would have meant the 667s & B7 Geminis being pretty much banned from the routes which saw their dominance, 589 & 590/2 for the 667s and 508, 576 for the B7 Geminis. Although I would like to think some of the Eclipses in Leeds should transfer over to Halifax once they get their new electric buses because at the moment Todmorden has gone to an all decker depot consisting of the 376xx Euro 5 B9s (apart from the 4 singles for late turns) which means that the 503 and 576 now commonly see single decks put on which is less than ideal as they've seen the biggest service reductions from every 8 mins to every 15 for the 576 and every 10 to 15/20 for the 576 where as the 590/592 have gone from every 10 to 15.
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Post by Username on Apr 14, 2023 20:04:49 GMT 1
If I was running First Bus division, I'd be auditing First Halifax and asking how the money was used to rebrand, advertise and allocate appropriate buses accordingly. I can imagine there was money to rebrand, advertise and promote. Halifax had a half ar$ed rebrand, no advertising and no promotion, then quietly shelved a while afterwards. I'd ask why elderly buses hit the paintshop then scrapped months afterwards. There is a glaring black hole there, and I'd want to know where the money went. Isn't promotions/branding & the such approved by head office rather than the depot themselves? So they probably had a say in the stopping of HX Connect (over 'where the money was spent' maybe it needs to be pointed out a number of their B9s got a full interior refurb what the likes of Huddersfield didn't get so they was lucky on that front) I Think the repainting of elderly fleet was down to training new staff/practice purposes - Stagecoach have done this for a number of years (as if a vehicle is getting withdrawn soon it's less of a problem if a repaint is not exactly correct) unless it was just a coincidence First had a number of older B7s repainted at a time there was a big recruitment drive across all areas of staff. There has been promotion online with the Peace Hall featuring in their twitter ads of where you can travel to (minor admittedly - but it's not much less than what the likes of Leeds got) Not lucky because Huddersfield had their Eclipse 2s refurbished?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 20:17:30 GMT 1
Isn't promotions/branding & the such approved by head office rather than the depot themselves? So they probably had a say in the stopping of HX Connect (over 'where the money was spent' maybe it needs to be pointed out a number of their B9s got a full interior refurb what the likes of Huddersfield didn't get so they was lucky on that front) I Think the repainting of elderly fleet was down to training new staff/practice purposes - Stagecoach have done this for a number of years (as if a vehicle is getting withdrawn soon it's less of a problem if a repaint is not exactly correct) unless it was just a coincidence First had a number of older B7s repainted at a time there was a big recruitment drive across all areas of staff. There has been promotion online with the Peace Hall featuring in their twitter ads of where you can travel to (minor admittedly - but it's not much less than what the likes of Leeds got) Not lucky because Huddersfield had their Eclipse 2s refurbished? They didn't get a re-trim like Halifaxs B9s? All was done was an exterior & interior pole repaint.
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Post by Username on Apr 14, 2023 20:19:28 GMT 1
Not lucky because Huddersfield had their Eclipse 2s refurbished? They didn't get a re-trim like Halifaxs B9s? All was done was an exterior & interior pole repaint. They were retrimmed. It's just hard to tell because they are both leather. Plus Huddersfield got HD Connect vinyls done whereas Halifax is still kicking about saying explore Leeds on their refurbished buses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 21:10:24 GMT 1
They didn't get a re-trim like Halifaxs B9s? All was done was an exterior & interior pole repaint. They were retrimmed. It's just hard to tell because they are both leather. Plus Huddersfield got HD Connect vinyls done whereas Halifax is still kicking about saying explore Leeds on their refurbished buses. Looking back over the repaints thread shows only some gained a retrim & some just had the repaints, I think the interior vinyl's was already in place also. Either way going back to Halifax & the original comment over a 'black hole', Halifax was the only depot to gain refurbished B9s (I agree the Leeds ads was a poor oversight) so it's fair to say First have at least spent some money for that operation.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 14, 2023 22:24:42 GMT 1
Nothing to do with training up new staff/practice, it was a last minute change of plan, engineering only got told last minute as there was a list from higher up that came which dictated which buses were due off fleet. One of the 667s had about £2,000 worth of bits put on it when they found out. 66758 from Bradford had all the front wheel arches rebuilt due to excessive corrosion - an incredibly labour intensive job, it then lasted a few months if that. 66753 had new fuel pump put in, great bus - the same outcome, its now laid up in Gary Hardwicks yard all smashed up from being moved within the yard. Putting it simply they weren't meant to go so soon but plans changed. Do these orders from higher up come from pen pushers sat in an office looking at data on a screen rather than what is actually happening on the ground, and God forbid actually taking an interest? I think First would be a good contender for Channel 4's 'Undercover Boss', if it's still produced. Are you suggesting Halifax should not have received newer vehicles and instead stuck with the older ones because some had been repainted, and cascades out of Leeds and Bradford to have gone somewhere else instead? Ironic considering only few days ago some here were stomping up and down because Halifax doesn’t get it’s fair share if new buses Clearly there was a change of plan due to post COVID changes - when it looked like First were withdrawing all the ALX400s I don’t think anyone here expected the B7RLEs and vast numbers of B7/Gemini to go as well
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 15, 2023 14:26:02 GMT 1
Apparently, there has been some rumours that an additional 10 brand new StreetDeck Micro Hybrids will be coming to Bradford as well as more of the older Leeds batch will be coming over. Furthermore, there are also rumours that Halifax will get 18 brand new StreetDeck Micro Hybrids once it's bus station gets fully refurbished. In my opinion, I am not convinced that this is the case, as it will likely be obvious whether an operator is planning to buy new vehicles or not. Another reason why I am not convinced is that First Bus has promised not to order any more diesels after and including 2023 (with the exception of some outliers). Can anyone confirm that this is the case? Maybe 18 Streetdecks to transfered in from another area to Halifax seems more pausible to me Those from Leicester will be available in due course when replaced by electric buses.
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Post by Danny on Apr 19, 2023 12:24:22 GMT 1
68682 withdrawn for spares
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Post by Username on Apr 19, 2023 19:59:43 GMT 1
68682 withdrawn for spares After Metro spent their time and money converting them into low emission.
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Post by huddsbus on Apr 20, 2023 5:54:18 GMT 1
68682 withdrawn for spares After Metro spent their time and money converting them into low emission. The exhaust system could technically be re used on another vehicle but I can't see it. Unfortunately these yellow things are rusty old sheds and they are very little spare parts our there for them, most of the repairs have had to use and modify parts from volvos. The BMC days are numbered and i suspect they only have 18 months left. Will need some seat belt vehicles to replace them.
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Post by joseph on Apr 20, 2023 8:25:00 GMT 1
After Metro spent their time and money converting them into low emission. The exhaust system could technically be re used on another vehicle but I can't see it. Unfortunately these yellow things are rusty old sheds and they are very little spare parts our there for them, most of the repairs have had to use and modify parts from volvos. The BMC days are numbered and i suspect they only have 18 months left. Will need some seat belt vehicles to replace them. Is it a legal requirement for seat belts on school buses as if it's not then I'll be the first to demand WYCA don't go to the massive expense of new buses just for seat belts when services are getting cut.
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Post by Danny on Apr 20, 2023 12:13:09 GMT 1
The primary school services need seat belts yes. These aren't owned by Metro anymore, so Metro won't be replacing them.
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 20, 2023 12:54:35 GMT 1
The seatbelt rule depends on the local authority. Some specifiy it, some don't.
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