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Post by mattb7tl on Jul 3, 2022 14:15:35 GMT 1
Pretty sure the funding for the vehicles is coming from the combined authority so first isn't spending their money. Still, their company their decision. The areas that have LEZ/CAZ will push them to invest like they have. If I was a business owner, why would I spend money investing in areas when the buses are running fine? Other than replacing for old age? It's their decision but they're becoming the authors of their own demise. First has only recovered to 80% of passengers from 2019. Transdev? They were at 94% in February of 2020 and now they've fully recovered. You've got to spend money to make money.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 3, 2022 21:10:22 GMT 1
Still, their company their decision. The areas that have LEZ/CAZ will push them to invest like they have. If I was a business owner, why would I spend money investing in areas when the buses are running fine? Other than replacing for old age? It's their decision but they're becoming the authors of their own demise. First has only recovered to 80% of passengers from 2019. Transdev? They were at 94% in February of 2020 and now they've fully recovered. You've got to spend money to make money. I'm slightly confused. Of course it's great news if passenger numbers are ahead of where they were in 2019, but look at the 36 and CityZap for example. They are nowhere near as busy as they used to be, especially at peak times. I don't understand where the figures are coming from.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jul 3, 2022 21:28:14 GMT 1
It's their decision but they're becoming the authors of their own demise. First has only recovered to 80% of passengers from 2019. Transdev? They were at 94% in February of 2020 and now they've fully recovered. You've got to spend money to make money. I'm slightly confused. Of course it's great news if passenger numbers are ahead of where they were in 2019, but look at the 36 and CityZap for example. They are nowhere near as busy as they used to be, especially at peak times. I don't understand where the figures are coming from. It might be an overall average. I've seen a lot of routes that have definitely grown. (D1 & Hotline) However, the 36 has had so many reliability issues recently. I think that may have reduced the usage on that route. It's still definitely a pretty busy route.
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 3, 2022 21:45:11 GMT 1
It's their decision but they're becoming the authors of their own demise. First has only recovered to 80% of passengers from 2019. Transdev? They were at 94% in February of 2020 and now they've fully recovered. You've got to spend money to make money. I'm slightly confused. Of course it's great news if passenger numbers are ahead of where they were in 2019, but look at the 36 and CityZap for example. They are nowhere near as busy as they used to be, especially at peak times. I don't understand where the figures are coming from. both the 36 & CityZap and even Coastliner have all had issues slightly with reliability especially Leeds side.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 22:12:57 GMT 1
It's their decision but they're becoming the authors of their own demise. First has only recovered to 80% of passengers from 2019. Transdev? They were at 94% in February of 2020 and now they've fully recovered. You've got to spend money to make money. I'm slightly confused. Of course it's great news if passenger numbers are ahead of where they were in 2019, but look at the 36 and CityZap for example. They are nowhere near as busy as they used to be, especially at peak times. I don't understand where the figures are coming from. I Think there might be some slight tweaking of reality from Transdev (nothing more than most in marketing to be fair) if the figures are for the entire group,as the 2022 ones will have Team Pennine included compared to 2019,plus i'm sure its just a coincidence they release this statement just after the rail strike that probably would of inflated figures. using the York Rd services most days plus the 60 route a few times a week,they certainly don't seem as busy as they was pre-covid.
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Post by rwilkes on Jul 3, 2022 22:55:37 GMT 1
There has been a lot of flattening of the peaks across the UK Fewer commuters and more interpeak leisure traffic is great news for public transport and Transdev has been going for leisure traffic It could look less busy and yet be better for a bus or train company Also more fare payers and fewer pensioners could mean fewer passengers but better bus economics. But Trandev GoAhead and Stagecoach have worked on this and some companies haven't.
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Post by Username on Jul 3, 2022 23:03:46 GMT 1
I would have actually thought First will feel threatened by Transdev's presence in Halifax and Huddersfield like they were when Yorkshire Tiger purchased their new buses they quickly ordered Streetlites. I thought the introduction of Transdev into Calderdale and Kirklees would pressure First to improve their fleet and give the fleet the investment it deserves but I guess not.
However, we are now twice more likely to see more newer vehicles now as localised branding has become common with many different subsidarys of FirstGroup which means if vehicles transfer First will have to go through the hassle of rebranding the buses by repainting them, replacing vinyls etc.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jul 3, 2022 23:37:16 GMT 1
I would have actually thought First will feel threatened by Transdev's presence in Halifax and Huddersfield like they were when Yorkshire Tiger purchased their new buses they quickly ordered Streetlites. I thought the introduction of Transdev into Calderdale and Kirklees would pressure First to improve their fleet and give the fleet the investment it deserves but I guess not. However, we are now twice more likely to see more newer vehicles now as localised branding has become common with many different subsidarys of FirstGroup which means if vehicles transfer First will have to go through the hassle of rebranding the buses by repainting them, replacing vinyls etc. I don't think they're TOO threatened. There's been so many companies which have tried to enter Huddersfield. Stagecoach, Arriva, Tiger, and etc which have all ended up failing. I hope this doesn't happen with transdev, but that's a fairly long list of companies that didn't end up staying.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 4, 2022 11:40:37 GMT 1
I would have actually thought First will feel threatened by Transdev's presence in Halifax and Huddersfield like they were when Yorkshire Tiger purchased their new buses they quickly ordered Streetlites. I thought the introduction of Transdev into Calderdale and Kirklees would pressure First to improve their fleet and give the fleet the investment it deserves but I guess not. However, we are now twice more likely to see more newer vehicles now as localised branding has become common with many different subsidarys of FirstGroup which means if vehicles transfer First will have to go through the hassle of rebranding the buses by repainting them, replacing vinyls etc. We aren't in this era anymore No operator has neither the money nor the staff to start competitive attacks
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Post by Username on Jul 5, 2022 16:39:31 GMT 1
I would have actually thought First will feel threatened by Transdev's presence in Halifax and Huddersfield like they were when Yorkshire Tiger purchased their new buses they quickly ordered Streetlites. I thought the introduction of Transdev into Calderdale and Kirklees would pressure First to improve their fleet and give the fleet the investment it deserves but I guess not. However, we are now twice more likely to see more newer vehicles now as localised branding has become common with many different subsidarys of FirstGroup which means if vehicles transfer First will have to go through the hassle of rebranding the buses by repainting them, replacing vinyls etc. We aren't in this era anymore No operator has neither the money nor the staff to start competitive attacks With Transdev been expanding in recent years and customer/driver levels have gone back to pre covid state, I do believe they have the staff and money.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 5, 2022 17:29:04 GMT 1
I don’t think any part of that statement is true
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Post by Username on Jul 5, 2022 18:17:58 GMT 1
I don’t think any part of that statement is true Alex literally posted on twitter. However they still have ideas to grow customer levels and driver levels.
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Post by mattb7tl on Jul 5, 2022 18:20:41 GMT 1
I don’t think any part of that statement is true They've taken over Yorkshire Tiger, increased frequencies in Keighley and brought back a few old routes in Huddersfield and Halifax ( 502, 262) Alex tweeted out that passenger numbers are back to normal/grown. That might be the case for some routes, but a lot have definitely not recovered.
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 5, 2022 21:41:48 GMT 1
I don’t think any part of that statement is true They've taken over Yorkshire Tiger, increased frequencies in Keighley and brought back a few old routes in Huddersfield and Halifax (502, 262) Alex tweeted out that passenger numbers are back to normal/grown. That might be the case for some routes, but a lot have definitely not recovered. actually the 502 got resurrected under Tiger
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 22:44:04 GMT 1
I don’t think any part of that statement is true They've taken over Yorkshire Tiger, increased frequencies in Keighley and brought back a few old routes in Huddersfield and Halifax ( 502, 262) Alex tweeted out that passenger numbers are back to normal/grown. That might be the case for some routes, but a lot have definitely not recovered. 662 is still only every 15 Mins so not all of Keighley is back to normal, X43 over in Lancashire is still Every 20 Mins instead of 15,plus alot of Harrogate are still 'temporary' timetables, Daily cancellations around Harrogate & Keighley, Wasn't the Team Pennine Meltham route meant to return as well? No signs of that happening, & Rossos list of problems seems to grow by the day. I Think its fair to say the driver levels are not back to normal
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Post by mattb7tl on Jul 5, 2022 23:10:13 GMT 1
They've taken over Yorkshire Tiger, increased frequencies in Keighley and brought back a few old routes in Huddersfield and Halifax ( 502, 262) Alex tweeted out that passenger numbers are back to normal/grown. That might be the case for some routes, but a lot have definitely not recovered. 662 is still only every 15 Mins so not all of Keighley is back to normal, X43 over in Lancashire is still Every 20 Mins instead of 15,plus alot of Harrogate are still 'temporary' timetables, Daily cancellations around Harrogate & Keighley, Wasn't the Team Pennine Meltham route meant to return as well? No signs of that happening, & Rossos list of problems seems to grow by the day. I Think its fair to say the driver levels are not back to normal Driver levels are not back to normal. However, they did all the stuff mentioned during the pandemic and driver shortage. There's definitely a few areas which are struggling more than others, like you mentioned. However, days where there's no service disruptions at all (for Team Pennine) are becoming MUCH more common. Example, July 1st/3rd. I don't think they've got much longer until the driver shortage issue is fixed.
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Post by Username on Apr 3, 2023 16:45:06 GMT 1
I have just been watching a video on a Wright Streetdeck doing the 576 around 2 years ago and it performed just as good as a B9TL on the climb to Queensbury but why has Halifax not bothered to get some still if they perform really well on hills? Video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmEUUum9mMI&ab_channel=AndMoreCentral
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Apr 3, 2023 16:57:39 GMT 1
I have just been watching a video on a Wright Streetdeck doing the 576 around 2 years ago and it performed just as good as a B9TL on the climb to Queensbury but why has Halifax not bothered to get some still if they perform really well on hills? Video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmEUUum9mMI&ab_channel=AndMoreCentralMight get some Streetdecks transfered there in the next 5 years as the B9tls start to come up for replacement.
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Post by Username on Apr 3, 2023 17:05:16 GMT 1
I have just been watching a video on a Wright Streetdeck doing the 576 around 2 years ago and it performed just as good as a B9TL on the climb to Queensbury but why has Halifax not bothered to get some still if they perform really well on hills? Video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmEUUum9mMI&ab_channel=AndMoreCentralMight get some Streetdecks transfered there in the next 5 years as the B9tls start to come up for replacement. To be fair, they might catch the same case the Enviro 400s had. When they first arrived at Leeds they used to have a fast start and cope well on fast roads and up hill. So maybe the best idea would be to buy new streetdecks or cascade the newer ones, I'm talking 69-22 plates.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 4, 2023 8:57:25 GMT 1
I have just been watching a video on a Wright Streetdeck doing the 576 around 2 years ago and it performed just as good as a B9TL on the climb to Queensbury but why has Halifax not bothered to get some still if they perform really well on hills? Video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmEUUum9mMI&ab_channel=AndMoreCentralIt isn't simply a case of bothered, at big groups you have to put a bid in to Head Office for whatever you want and hope it is selected. Whether you agree with the prioritisation made by First if Halifax got some then someone else wouldn't and with the drive from some authorities to improve air quality through legal means you are going to get this unfair distribution of new vehicles into a few places.
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