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Post by deerfold on Apr 22, 2022 16:45:26 GMT 1
Think the phase is clockface departures as in xx.00,xx.05,xx,10 & so on up to xx.55 Clockface departures usually just means at the same time past each hour. So trains from Keighley to Leeds are clockface departures at 01 and 31 minutes past every hour.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Apr 22, 2022 23:11:39 GMT 1
Think the phase is clockface departures as in xx.00,xx.05,xx,10 & so on up to xx.55 Clockface departures usually just means at the same time past each hour. So trains from Keighley to Leeds are clockface departures at 01 and 31 minutes past every hour. xx05 xx10 xx15 etc. On timetables I've done I've always done this and had intermediate timing points at xxx0 xxx2 xxx5 xxx7 and it's been shown to improve reliability and passenger familiarity. As Deerfold said clockface is a repeating pattern of departures throughout the day and coupled to what I've mentioned above makes a super reliable passenger focused timetable.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 23, 2022 1:26:29 GMT 1
No need for xx59 departures, all departures should be block numbers. Should be what? Think he means rounded up to XX:00 past each hour (most Blazefield departure times are at 00, 05, 10 and the like up to 55 past or the nearest 5)
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Post by joseph on Apr 24, 2022 6:53:30 GMT 1
No wonder York City Zap has seen falling passenger numbers, didn't know until yesterday that Northern are doing cheap walk up day returns for any off peak train (2 per hour as well) for 12.50 with a 30 minute journey time for both routes! The only advantage Transdev now has is links to other buses serving only the bus station, and serving facilities that side of town such as the market saving the walk from the train station, but I can't see many passengers requiring those 2 elements.
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Post by adam on Apr 24, 2022 8:01:50 GMT 1
No wonder York City Zap has seen falling passenger numbers, didn't know until yesterday that Northern are doing cheap walk up day returns for any off peak train (2 per hour as well) for 12.50 with a 30 minute journey time for both routes! The only advantage Transdev now has is links to other buses serving only the bus station, and serving facilities that side of town such as the market saving the walk from the train station, but I can't see many passengers requiring those 2 elements. Theyve being doing then for a while, even better value is a Duo ticket for £18.70 for 2 people off peak
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 24, 2022 8:05:34 GMT 1
I wonder whether Arriva could have managed their service reductions in a less punitive way for Saturday passengers?
Let us suppose for simplicity that services were very similar on Saturdays to Mon-Fri, and that Sunday services were around 50% of Mon-Sat.
So, by halving the Saturday services they have reduced services by effectively 1/13 for the week as a whole. I'm sure they could have spread this decline over 6 or even all 7 days of the week. It would also have reduced how many drivers were needed on any day, not just Saturday.
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Post by adam on Apr 24, 2022 9:47:02 GMT 1
What is the issue with Saturdays? Is it that they can't get enough people for overtime on a Saturday to cover sick, holiday and vacancies? But they can get the people in on a weekday for overtime to near enough cover the work? Is it just a lazy step by arriva to just say right we'll just use the Sunday running boards instead of writing a new hybrid set with some services running Sunday timetable such as 118 (which has little effect on the main service) and some running a Saturday timetable in the case of such as the 174 or a reduced Saturday timetable such as the 110?
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Post by deerfold on Apr 24, 2022 11:06:03 GMT 1
What is the issue with Saturdays? Is it that they can't get enough people for overtime on a Saturday to cover sick, holiday and vacancies? But they can get the people in on a weekday for overtime to near enough cover the work? Is it just a lazy step by arriva to just say right we'll just use the Sunday running boards instead of writing a new hybrid set with some services running Sunday timetable such as 118 (which has little effect on the main service) and some running a Saturday timetable in the case of such as the 174 or a reduced Saturday timetable such as the 110? It's unlikely to be that easy - services are still starting around normal Saturday times.
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Post by Username on Apr 24, 2022 18:11:19 GMT 1
In my opinion I think Saturday is the most busiest day of the week as people on Mondays to Fridays only rush on the roads at rush hour however Saturday traffic is pretty much all day. Why not just run Saturday boards Mondays to Fridays?
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Post by deerfold on Apr 24, 2022 18:26:34 GMT 1
Why not just run Saturday boards Mondays to Fridays? Would that save many buses/drivers?
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Apr 24, 2022 19:33:49 GMT 1
Why not just run Saturday boards Mondays to Fridays? Would that save many buses/drivers? Up to yesterday, at Heckmondwike there were 87 duties for Saturday, starting next week, that drops down to 47 Saturday duties.
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Post by pjb on Apr 24, 2022 21:02:46 GMT 1
Looking at the 615/616, the 616 departures from Bradford are now 18:59, 19:59 and 22:32, so the 20:59ish departure is withdrawn. But then the last two journeys are now 22:32 (616) and 22:36 (615), meaning they're just 4 minutes apart along Thornton Road (until 4 lane ends when the 616 heads off up Allerton Road), 7 minutes apart when they meet back up at Sandy Lane, and then 2 minutes apart as they race from Bingley station up to Eldwick via their respective routes. Crazy! No need for xx59 departures, all departures should be block numbers. Also noted the evening 607s to Thornton also leave the Interchange within a few minutes of the 615/6 up Thornton road - so is that 3 First buses in 10 mins then nothing for an hour!?Exactly how to drive people off public transport and to cars! Also noted last 617 2320 to Allerton has been withdrawn Mondays to Fridays so coupled with the 615/6 changes and added to the fact the 2240 607 to Thornton has never been reinstated post pandemic (which itself was a partial replacement for the withdrawal of Transdevs 2300 697 (67) to Keighley via Thornton) there’s virtually no service from Bradford to anywhere to the west of the city after 2230, ridiculous for a metropolitan area. Last buses should be around 11pm to match most pub closing times, allow for people at theatres etc in an evening and allow people to connect from trains which are still arriving at Bradford Interchange till well after 2300.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 24, 2022 21:22:26 GMT 1
Last buses should be around 11pm to match most pub closing times, allow for people at theatres etc in an evening and allow people to connect from trains which are still arriving at Bradford Interchange till well after 2300. There's 5 trains between 2300 and 0000 and then one at 0025. I suspect if I didn't live in Keighley I wouldn't go to many gigs in Bradford as there's so little public transport home - and those gigs are rarely over by 2300 - I've got a 2320 and an 0020 Friday/Saturday and then a walk or cheap taxi, but there's not many other buses.
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Post by WYBS on Apr 24, 2022 22:02:46 GMT 1
Last buses should be around 11pm to match most pub closing times, allow for people at theatres etc in an evening and allow people to connect from trains which are still arriving at Bradford Interchange till well after 2300. There's 5 trains between 2300 and 0000 and then one at 0025. I suspect if I didn't live in Keighley I wouldn't go to many gigs in Bradford as there's so little public transport home - and those gigs are rarely over by 2300 - I've got a 2320 and an 0020 Friday/Saturday and then a walk or cheap taxi, but there's not many other buses. I was going to see Bruce Dickinson and a couple of other acts at St Georges Hall, but with the last 72 being at 22:29, I didn't bother.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Apr 25, 2022 8:27:54 GMT 1
What is the issue with Saturdays? Is it that they can't get enough people for overtime on a Saturday to cover sick, holiday and vacancies? But they can get the people in on a weekday for overtime to near enough cover the work? Is it just a lazy step by arriva to just say right we'll just use the Sunday running boards instead of writing a new hybrid set with some services running Sunday timetable such as 118 (which has little effect on the main service) and some running a Saturday timetable in the case of such as the 174 or a reduced Saturday timetable such as the 110? At most companies drivers will work 5 days a week as standard (some will do 4 day weeks with longer days for the same average weekly hours) so for every duty saved on a Saturday you have an extra driver available to cover a duty on a weekday meaning you lose less trips on the busier days (& overall a weekday is busier than a Saturday) and on weekdays there are more trips which dropping due to any reason create more complaints (school travel & regular commuters are much less able or willing to flex their travel to when the bus is available than the majority of leisure travel on weekends). Operators will want to avoid relying on overtime, it introduces uncertainty as you never know how many drivers you will have as only a certain proportion of drivers will be willing to do overtime, but weekdays will probably be easier to cover as more staff will be willing to do an extra weekday when the rest of the family are also busy as opposed to weekends when the rest of the family may well be available. It probably can be argued that Arriva have gone a little further than many would consider necessary in switching to Sunday type schedules on Saturday I know that redesigning that many timetables and then rescheduling it is a difficult and time consuming task and Unions and staff are becoming less forgiving of late changes (they were willing to get quite flexible during lockdown but are now wanting to get back to normal notification timescales to avoid employers taking advantage of them) so they may simply have felt they didn't have enough time to get a properly planned hybrid schedule ready, you would hope that Arriva would now use some available time to start preparing some hybrid timetables to fill some of the more glaring gaps, with planning and registration timescales back to normal these may not be able to appear as quickly as people outside the industry think they should, though Arriva may feel a period of stability before further fiddling whilst they judge their actual staffing position to know how much they can put back in when. A number of operators, including my employers, are finding that whilst they can stand still at a new level of staffing they are struggling to get back to their pre-COVID (& pre-everything else that has led to driver shortages) establishment and are having to rebalance to a new stable staffing level slightly below where they sat - not helped by passenger numbers appearing to stagnate at 80-90% of pre-COVID numbers which means certain cuts will occur as marginal routes become loss making.
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Post by Username on Apr 27, 2022 18:25:32 GMT 1
Why not just run Saturday boards Mondays to Fridays? Would that save many buses/drivers? Just knock off a few journeys. Nobody really uses the Buses Mon to Sat outside of Rush hour. Or just suspend routes that other people can literally travel through. Make 280 every 20 minutes, cut off the 100 service to Eastmoor and possibly cut the 228 as nobody really uses it.
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Post by deerfold on Apr 27, 2022 20:06:05 GMT 1
Would that save many buses/drivers? Just knock off a few journeys. Nobody really uses the Buses Mon to Sat outside of Rush hour. Or just suspend routes that other people can literally travel through. Make 280 every 20 minutes, cut off the 100 service to Eastmoor and possibly cut the 228 as nobody really uses it. Congratulations - you've cut your PVR by 4 (or maybe 3) and annoyed lots of people by removing 2 routes completely. You appear have ignored the point of my question completely.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Apr 27, 2022 21:03:00 GMT 1
Would that save many buses/drivers? Up to yesterday, at Heckmondwike there were 87 duties for Saturday, starting next week, that drops down to 47 Saturday duties. Right, I've counted the boards at Heckmondwike. Up to 23/04, there were 54 buses in service on Saturdays From 30/04, there will now be 25 buses in service
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 3, 2022 20:28:49 GMT 1
NEW TIMES FOR FIRST BUS IN WEST YORKSHIRE Despite the wymetro blurb giving the impression that only times are altered by up to five minutes, it looks like several trips are being removed from the timetable early morning and in the evening. 616 (615) some evening journeys aren't running Looking at the 615/616, the 616 departures from Bradford are now 18:59, 19:59 and 22:32, so the 20:59ish departure is withdrawn. But then the last two journeys are now 22:32 (616) and 22:36 (615), meaning they're just 4 minutes apart along Thornton Road (until 4 lane ends when the 616 heads off up Allerton Road), 7 minutes apart when they meet back up at Sandy Lane, and then 2 minutes apart as they race from Bingley station up to Eldwick via their respective routes. Crazy! Oh it's even worse than that, last three buses to/via Allerton are 22:32, 22:36 & 22:38 !!!
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 3, 2022 20:37:55 GMT 1
I haven't got time to check all the routes, but noted
607 early morning 1 bph withdrawn, first bus into town withdrawn, then 2 bph until morning peak, 4 bph daytime.
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Post by sharksmith on May 4, 2022 8:59:38 GMT 1
Looking at the 615/616, the 616 departures from Bradford are now 18:59, 19:59 and 22:32, so the 20:59ish departure is withdrawn. But then the last two journeys are now 22:32 (616) and 22:36 (615), meaning they're just 4 minutes apart along Thornton Road (until 4 lane ends when the 616 heads off up Allerton Road), 7 minutes apart when they meet back up at Sandy Lane, and then 2 minutes apart as they race from Bingley station up to Eldwick via their respective routes. Crazy! Oh it's even worse than that, last three buses to/via Allerton are 22:32, 22:36 & 22:38 !!! Sorry to go off topic but can you imagine how Transdev would spin this. 'Welcome to your brand new, amazingly high frequency, service home from a night at the theatre! Regular buses now running at up to every two minutes to Allerton!'
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