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Post by Username on Jan 21, 2022 19:25:54 GMT 1
TLC changes listed today. Some changes to the timetables on the Hebden Bridge/Todmorden mini bus network and the evening/Sunday short journeys between Hebden Bridge and Cragg Vale on the 901 re-numbered 901A: PB0004246/48 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Todmoden Railway Station to Cross Lee, Cowhurst Avenue Service number: T1 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Minor changes to timetable PB0004246/50 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Cragg Vale to Hebden Bridge Railway Station Service number: 901A Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Amend timetable and route number changed to 901A PB0004246/53 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: HEBDEN BRIDGE RAILWAY STATION to NEST ESTATE Service number: 597 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Minor change to last trip, slight timetable change. PB0004246/54 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Hebden Railway Station to Blackshaw Head Service number: 596 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Amend timetable PB0004246/55 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Hebden Bridge Railway Station to Crimsworth Turning Circle Service number: 595 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 One additional trip Monday to Saturday evening and minor timetable change PB0004246/63 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Hebden Bridge Railway Station to Hebden Bridge Railway Station Service number: 594 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 One additional trip each evening and minor timetable change I suggested to TLC to change 901 between Hebden Bridge & Cragg Vale to be renumbered 901A in 2017 and now here we are today and they finally did it after 5 years.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 22, 2022 1:45:34 GMT 1
TLC changes listed today. Some changes to the timetables on the Hebden Bridge/Todmorden mini bus network and the evening/Sunday short journeys between Hebden Bridge and Cragg Vale on the 901 re-numbered 901A: PB0004246/48 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Todmoden Railway Station to Cross Lee, Cowhurst Avenue Service number: T1 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Minor changes to timetable PB0004246/50 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Cragg Vale to Hebden Bridge Railway Station Service number: 901A Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Amend timetable and route number changed to 901A PB0004246/53 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: HEBDEN BRIDGE RAILWAY STATION to NEST ESTATE Service number: 597 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Minor change to last trip, slight timetable change. PB0004246/54 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Hebden Railway Station to Blackshaw Head Service number: 596 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 Amend timetable PB0004246/55 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Hebden Bridge Railway Station to Crimsworth Turning Circle Service number: 595 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 One additional trip Monday to Saturday evening and minor timetable change PB0004246/63 Registered T L C TRAVEL LTD Route: Hebden Bridge Railway Station to Hebden Bridge Railway Station Service number: 594 Service type: Hail & Ride, Normal Stopping Effective date: 27 Feb 2022 One additional trip each evening and minor timetable change I suggested to TLC to change 901 between Hebden Bridge & Cragg Vale to be renumbered 901A in 2017 and now here we are today and they finally did it after 5 years. Hate that, no need for it. By that logic all short journeys on the 592 that terminate at Todmorden should be numbered 592A from Halifax and 592B from Burnley. Such a stupid idea. Apply the same logic to many other routes with short journeys you see how stupid it looks. Imagine all Bradford cross city services that terminate in the City being numbered with an 'A' suffix on it...
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Post by twansport on Jan 22, 2022 8:41:49 GMT 1
I’m not going to say that it is stupid or I hate it but what worries me if the bus runs the same route but only part way is that the addition of the letter shifts it to a new timetable in some systems, which means that it can look like no services exist at certain times, when in fact they do.
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Post by peteleeds on Jan 22, 2022 9:05:59 GMT 1
With regards the 901 my personal thoughts are if its the same route but terminates short I don't think the number needs changing. Firstleeds if they aren't running full route have the destination screen saying "Part route" which i think is helpful for non regular users.
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Post by Username on Jan 22, 2022 10:27:07 GMT 1
Bustimes.org has informed me that the 587 code for the route has been changed for 27 Feb 2022. So this could see a timetable change. This is the new code: PB2044957/2
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Post by deerfold on Jan 22, 2022 14:00:16 GMT 1
I suggested to TLC to change 901 between Hebden Bridge & Cragg Vale to be renumbered 901A in 2017 and now here we are today and they finally did it after 5 years. Hate that, no need for it. By that logic all short journeys on the 592 that terminate at Todmorden should be numbered 592A from Halifax and 592B from Burnley. Such a stupid idea. Apply the same logic to many other routes with short journeys you see how stupid it looks. Imagine all Bradford cross city services that terminate in the City being numbered with an 'A' suffix on it... When I lived in Nottingham, most NCT routes were cross city. Buses that did not cross the city on those routes had a C after the number, buses that stopped early on the way into the city had an A at the end, buses out of the city which didn't go the whole route had a B on the end. I don't remember it causing any confusion. Just had a quick look. They still put B on the end of routes that don't go the whole way, even if that's all evening services.
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Post by Username on Jan 22, 2022 19:31:11 GMT 1
With regards the 901 my personal thoughts are if its the same route but terminates short I don't think the number needs changing. Firstleeds if they aren't running full route have the destination screen saying "Part route" which i think is helpful for non regular users. They don't follow the same routes though. The Cragg Vale ones skip out Hope Street and run from the Hebden Bridge Railway Station but the ones towards Huddersfield run from Hope Street and don't serve the Railway Station.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 22, 2022 20:45:47 GMT 1
With regards the 901 my personal thoughts are if its the same route but terminates short I don't think the number needs changing. Firstleeds if they aren't running full route have the destination screen saying "Part route" which i think is helpful for non regular users. They don't follow the same routes though. The Cragg Vale ones skip out Hope Street and run from the Hebden Bridge Railway Station but the ones towards Huddersfield run from Hope Street and don't serve the Railway Station. They do serve Hope Street. At the moment they only serve the rail station for operational reasons as after each cragg vale they have a drop out and break. If you look at the timetable pre-covid the 595 594 and 901 all used to interwork on an evening and with the 595 594 terminus being the rail station it made sense to start the the 901 from there too.
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Post by Username on Jan 22, 2022 23:15:43 GMT 1
They don't follow the same routes though. The Cragg Vale ones skip out Hope Street and run from the Hebden Bridge Railway Station but the ones towards Huddersfield run from Hope Street and don't serve the Railway Station. They do serve Hope Street. At the moment they only serve the rail station for operational reasons as after each cragg vale they have a drop out and break. If you look at the timetable pre-covid the 595 594 and 901 all used to interwork on an evening and with the 595 594 terminus being the rail station it made sense to start the the 901 from there too. The Cragg Vale ones only serverd Hope Street on the first mornings.
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Post by guyarab on Jan 23, 2022 0:11:07 GMT 1
I suggested to TLC to change 901 between Hebden Bridge & Cragg Vale to be renumbered 901A in 2017 and now here we are today and they finally did it after 5 years. Hate that, no need for it. By that logic all short journeys on the 592 that terminate at Todmorden should be numbered 592A from Halifax and 592B from Burnley. Such a stupid idea. Apply the same logic to many other routes with short journeys you see how stupid it looks. Imagine all Bradford cross city services that terminate in the City being numbered with an 'A' suffix on it... I totally agree with you. Arriva did it with the 268 for a time when some ran only Bradford to Dewsbury.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jan 23, 2022 2:39:47 GMT 1
Hate that, no need for it. By that logic all short journeys on the 592 that terminate at Todmorden should be numbered 592A from Halifax and 592B from Burnley. Such a stupid idea. Apply the same logic to many other routes with short journeys you see how stupid it looks. Imagine all Bradford cross city services that terminate in the City being numbered with an 'A' suffix on it... I totally agree with you. Arriva did it with the 268 for a time when some ran only Bradford to Dewsbury. The A on 268A was to indicate that it went through to Wakefield. When 268 started going through to Wakefield, it was a 10 minute service to Dewsbury, and 20 minute service to Wakefield.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 23, 2022 3:01:08 GMT 1
They do serve Hope Street. At the moment they only serve the rail station for operational reasons as after each cragg vale they have a drop out and break. If you look at the timetable pre-covid the 595 594 and 901 all used to interwork on an evening and with the 595 594 terminus being the rail station it made sense to start the the 901 from there too. The Cragg Vale ones only serverd Hope Street on the first mornings. They really didn't... you've already been banned off the forum for your know it all attitude and yet you're back and haven't changed 🤣
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Post by Username on Jan 23, 2022 11:14:54 GMT 1
They really didn't... you've already been banned off the forum for your know it all attitude and yet you're back and haven't changed 🤣 What the heck did I do? I wasn't banned also? Can Someone explain, did I do something wrong?
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Post by joseph on Jan 23, 2022 11:42:46 GMT 1
Meanwhile getting swiftly back on topic before it all kicks off like Europe v Russia, I'm very much in favor for separate numbers for part route journeys, simply because many don't know the place names for intermediate areas and may think for example Cragg Vale is somewhere beyond Huddersfield.
Service 1B normally (currently not the case with this temp timetable) is used for part route workings between Beeston and Leeds on the 1 route Monday to Friday University holidays, and should also be used Saturdays but for some reason isn't. The number of people boarding a service 1 short journey I used yesterday, asking for points beyond the city centre amounted to quite a few, something like 5 or 6 in total. This held up an already late bus whilst they asked the question, got the answer they didn't want, then mulled over their next decision for a few more seconds. Having a different number for short journeys makes it clearer that the bus is not going beyond a certian point.
You're bound to get situations where someone boards a Cragg Vale short, expecting it to go to Huddersfield, then finding themselves turfed out in the middle of nowhere whilst they have a long wait for the next through bus. Again having a separate number makes it that bit clearer.
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Post by guyarab on Jan 23, 2022 13:21:33 GMT 1
I totally agree with you. Arriva did it with the 268 for a time when some ran only Bradford to Dewsbury. The A on 268A was to indicate that it went through to Wakefield. When 268 started going through to Wakefield, it was a 10 minute service to Dewsbury, and 20 minute service to Wakefield. Of course, silly me! Same difference though, it did not need a suffix letter.
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Post by yorkslad on Jan 23, 2022 18:16:31 GMT 1
Service 1B normally (currently not the case with this temp timetable) is used for part route workings between Beeston and Leeds on the 1 route Monday to Friday University holidays, and should also be used Saturdays but for some reason isn't. The number of people boarding a service 1 short journey I used yesterday, asking for points beyond the city centre amounted to quite a few, something like 5 or 6 in total. This held up an already late bus whilst they asked the question, got the answer they didn't want, then mulled over their next decision for a few more seconds. Having a different number for short journeys makes it clearer that the bus is not going beyond a certian point. Nnn...o? 1B Monday to Friday runs Beeston to Beckett Park Campus. On Saturdays we have a mix of 1 Beeston-Lawnswood and Beeston-Albion Street. Those ones I would like to see numbered 1A or similar, and they do take a slightly different route in the city centre so that counts too ;-)
I've been on that bus on the odd Saturday at Bishopgate Street over the last couple of years, especially on a cricket day, where people have a conversation with the driver... "I thought you went to Headingley!" - "It does, but this one doesn't." etc. If it was numbered 1A or (even better) 10 it could be moved below the line on the bus stop flag, away from the Headingley Line bit so you can clearly see it doesn't go to Headingley.
My understanding was that those short trips should run all the way through on Saturdays but there aren't the passengers to run into Headingley and beyond. Yet.
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Post by joseph on Jan 23, 2022 19:24:52 GMT 1
Service 1B normally (currently not the case with this temp timetable) is used for part route workings between Beeston and Leeds on the 1 route Monday to Friday University holidays, and should also be used Saturdays but for some reason isn't. The number of people boarding a service 1 short journey I used yesterday, asking for points beyond the city centre amounted to quite a few, something like 5 or 6 in total. This held up an already late bus whilst they asked the question, got the answer they didn't want, then mulled over their next decision for a few more seconds. Having a different number for short journeys makes it clearer that the bus is not going beyond a certian point. Nnn...o? 1B Monday to Friday runs Beeston to Beckett Park Campus. On Saturdays we have a mix of 1 Beeston-Lawnswood and Beeston-Albion Street. Those ones I would like to see numbered 1A or similar, and they do take a slightly different route in the city centre so that counts too ;-)
I've been on that bus on the odd Saturday at Bishopgate Street over the last couple of years, especially on a cricket day, where people have a conversation with the driver... "I thought you went to Headingley!" - "It does, but this one doesn't." etc. If it was numbered 1A or (even better) 10 it could be moved below the line on the bus stop flag, away from the Headingley Line bit so you can clearly see it doesn't go to Headingley.
My understanding was that those short trips should run all the way through on Saturdays but there aren't the passengers to run into Headingley and beyond. Yet.
Sorry to correct but when the Xmas University holiday timetable was introduced, the 1B was shortened and ran Beeston to Albion Street Mon to Fri until this new temp timetable came about, that's a good reason however for re-numbering Beeston to Leeds only journeys as 1A, saves a lot of confusion with all these different timetables and numbers used depending on holidays or day of the week. Personally, I'd split the route at Albion street as it's become very unreliable of late.
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Post by yorkslad on Jan 23, 2022 22:40:08 GMT 1
Nnn...o? 1B Monday to Friday runs Beeston to Beckett Park Campus. On Saturdays we have a mix of 1 Beeston-Lawnswood and Beeston-Albion Street. Those ones I would like to see numbered 1A or similar, and they do take a slightly different route in the city centre so that counts too ;-)
I've been on that bus on the odd Saturday at Bishopgate Street over the last couple of years, especially on a cricket day, where people have a conversation with the driver... "I thought you went to Headingley!" - "It does, but this one doesn't." etc. If it was numbered 1A or (even better) 10 it could be moved below the line on the bus stop flag, away from the Headingley Line bit so you can clearly see it doesn't go to Headingley.
My understanding was that those short trips should run all the way through on Saturdays but there aren't the passengers to run into Headingley and beyond. Yet.
Sorry to correct but when the Xmas University holiday timetable was introduced, the 1B was shortened and ran Beeston to Albion Street Mon to Fri until this new temp timetable came about, that's a good reason however for re-numbering Beeston to Leeds only journeys as 1A, saves a lot of confusion with all these different timetables and numbers used depending on holidays or day of the week. Personally, I'd split the route at Albion street as it's become very unreliable of late. TBF I don't travel into Beeston on weekdays, just on the occasional Saturday. But I think we're agreeing on the main point of the Saturday 1s running through five times every two hours, and not running through but with the same route number five times every two hours.
In part (my opinion) this has all happened because they stopped the 1 running through to Holt Park, introducing the 8 instead. But also, from the Leeds Station area there's six buses per hour M-F towards the University and Headingley; from Leeds Bus Station I count 12 to Headingley (4x6, 4x8, 2x27, 2x28), or 14 to the University (2x29) at the moment. Seems a bit lopsided to me!
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Post by leeds rider on Jan 24, 2022 12:58:08 GMT 1
Nnn...o? 1B Monday to Friday runs Beeston to Beckett Park Campus. On Saturdays we have a mix of 1 Beeston-Lawnswood and Beeston-Albion Street. Those ones I would like to see numbered 1A or similar, and they do take a slightly different route in the city centre so that counts too ;-)
I've been on that bus on the odd Saturday at Bishopgate Street over the last couple of years, especially on a cricket day, where people have a conversation with the driver... "I thought you went to Headingley!" - "It does, but this one doesn't." etc. If it was numbered 1A or (even better) 10 it could be moved below the line on the bus stop flag, away from the Headingley Line bit so you can clearly see it doesn't go to Headingley.
My understanding was that those short trips should run all the way through on Saturdays but there aren't the passengers to run into Headingley and beyond. Yet.
Sorry to correct but when the Xmas University holiday timetable was introduced, the 1B was shortened and ran Beeston to Albion Street Mon to Fri until this new temp timetable came about, that's a good reason however for re-numbering Beeston to Leeds only journeys as 1A, saves a lot of confusion with all these different timetables and numbers used depending on holidays or day of the week. Personally, I'd split the route at Albion street as it's become very unreliable of late. The 1B is supposed to be Beeston to LBU Headingley Campus (Beckett Park) during university terms and Beeston to Leeds during university vacations. It's the same trips between Beeston and Albion Street, just not continuing towards Headingley in the vacations. The route from Leeds to Beckett Park has almost never run in the vacations, even when it was a stand-alone service, so that pattern has just been continued in the extended route. I can see a certain logic to renumbering the shortened trips 1A, to emphasize the difference, though.
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Post by burtonsa02 on Jan 25, 2022 19:31:57 GMT 1
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 26, 2022 0:28:03 GMT 1
What the heck did I do? I wasn't banned also? Can Someone explain, did I do something wrong? Were you Busplayz in a previous incarnation?, Just asking!.
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Post by beam on Jan 26, 2022 16:49:49 GMT 1
Sorry to correct but when the Xmas University holiday timetable was introduced, the 1B was shortened and ran Beeston to Albion Street Mon to Fri until this new temp timetable came about, that's a good reason however for re-numbering Beeston to Leeds only journeys as 1A, saves a lot of confusion with all these different timetables and numbers used depending on holidays or day of the week. Personally, I'd split the route at Albion street as it's become very unreliable of late. TBF I don't travel into Beeston on weekdays, just on the occasional Saturday. But I think we're agreeing on the main point of the Saturday 1s running through five times every two hours, and not running through but with the same route number five times every two hours.
In part (my opinion) this has all happened because they stopped the 1 running through to Holt Park, introducing the 8 instead. But also, from the Leeds Station area there's six buses per hour M-F towards the University and Headingley; from Leeds Bus Station I count 12 to Headingley (4x6, 4x8, 2x27, 2x28), or 14 to the University (2x29) at the moment. Seems a bit lopsided to me!
The extra buses on the Headingley corridor are wasted because the effective headway is every 10 minutes at time because of the bunching caused by dwell times and persistent late running on some trips. 9-10.30pm on Sundays sees some large gaps heading out of the city, followed by most last buses often leaving together.
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Post by Username on Jan 26, 2022 18:18:33 GMT 1
Were you Busplayz in a previous incarnation?, Just asking!. No but he does live with me so my previous was IP Address banned as well.
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Post by BusmanBry on Jan 27, 2022 4:04:50 GMT 1
Hello and good morning to everyone.
I wanted to ask a question about the services that are going to be withdrawn by Arriva next month ( February 2022 ).
Have Arriva decided to withdraw the services due to driver shortages?. and if thats so then does that mean that if there are less services then Arriva wont be organising any further recruitment days at Wakefield?. I was aiming to join Arriva as a driver from May 11th this year.
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Post by mutty on Jan 27, 2022 18:59:12 GMT 1
Hello and good morning to everyone. I wanted to ask a question about the services that are going to be withdrawn by Arriva next month ( February 2022 ). Have Arriva decided to withdraw the services due to driver shortages?. and if thats so then does that mean that if there are less services then Arriva wont be organising any further recruitment days at Wakefield?. I was aiming to join Arriva as a driver from May 11th this year. The services have been axed due to low passenger usage
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