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Post by WYBS on Sept 25, 2020 13:13:55 GMT 1
So I was recently looking at the various ticket prices to travel on Transdev's flyer network, both on their website and on the displays on the shelters at the Airport.
According to the website a 'flyer1' ticket is £5 and lets you travel anywhere unlimited on the network + Harrogate and Wetherby for a day.
Yet I recall the price of a single between Harrogate and the Airport being £5.40. The price of a return between Leeds and LBI is £6.00 and between Harrogate and LBI is £8.90. I would assume that these return tickets are valid for longer than a single day but can't find anything on the website to confirm this.
I would like to take advantage of this flyer1 ticket as it would half the price of going to Harrogate on the usual daytripper, but the price seems to be a little too good to be true compared to the other tickets available.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Post by dlspotter on Sept 25, 2020 14:00:37 GMT 1
I think the Flyer1 ticket is good value, but if you're coming from/going to Leeds it would be time consuming. I presume it's a mix of the Harrogate1 and a Flyer-only day ticket. The Harrogate1 allows travel on all HBC buses (probably except the 21), with the 7 as far as Wetherby Bus Station, the 36 as far as Harewood and Ripley. (I presume the 24 is limited too)
So if you were travelling Leeds-Knaresborough for a day you'd have to do A1-A2-1 and couldn't do 36-1.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 25, 2020 14:09:43 GMT 1
I think the Flyer1 ticket is good value, but if you're coming from/going to Leeds it would be time consuming. I presume it's a mix of the Harrogate1 and a Flyer-only day ticket. The Harrogate1 allows travel on all HBC buses (probably except the 21), with the 7 as far as Wetherby Bus Station, the 36 as far as Harewood and Ripley. (I presume the 24 is limited too) So if you were travelling Leeds-Knaresborough for a day you'd have to do A1-A2-1 and couldn't do 36-1. I live relatively close to the A1 route near Horsforth so going via the Airport to Harrogate should be quicker than going via Leeds, plus at half the price of a daytripper it's a win win.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 25, 2020 14:40:16 GMT 1
They could make it easier to find, but the information is on their website. Returns are valid for 28 days. Flyer boundary map small.pdf (124.56 KB) The flyer day ticket does seem to be cheaper than a single from Harrogate.
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Post by WYBS on Sept 25, 2020 15:21:46 GMT 1
They could make it easier to find, but the information is on their website. Returns are valid for 28 days. View AttachmentView AttachmentThe flyer day ticket does seem to be cheaper than a single from Harrogate. That's the bit that confused me, how a single can be more than a dayrider. Strange.
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Post by twansport on Sept 26, 2020 12:20:25 GMT 1
I might be a little off here because ENCTS is not my area of expertise at all but is the compensation for it based on the price of a single ticket?
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Post by deerfold on Sept 26, 2020 13:41:31 GMT 1
I might be a little off here because ENCTS is not my area of expertise at all but is the compensation for it based on the price of a single ticket? Usually, yes.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Sept 28, 2020 8:41:21 GMT 1
I might be a little off here because ENCTS is not my area of expertise at all but is the compensation for it based on the price of a single ticket? Usually, yes. Not normally in most areas though I can't remember what the Yorkshire authorities were using but the standard advice is to use a 'basket of fares'. This calculation is normally based on average fare per trip and includes singles, returns (with the price divided by 2 to reflect the two trips expected to be made), days (with price divided by either 3 or 4 depending on the authority) & in some cases weeks to calculate the average fare per trip with is then reduced by the generation factor (economic theory & practical experience says this should be around, or less than, 20% in reality in many places it is closer to a 50% reduction) & then multiplied by the number of concessionary trips carried. This system to include day tickets damaged the wider move that was occurring around the time when free passes came in to replace return tickets with cheap day tickets in urban networks and many places the day ticket became 10p more than the standard return to stop passengers only travelling twice from wanting to buy a day ticket and being calculated as if they have travelled multiple times.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 28, 2020 10:53:30 GMT 1
They could make it easier to find, but the information is on their website. Returns are valid for 28 days. View AttachmentView AttachmentThe flyer day ticket does seem to be cheaper than a single from Harrogate. That's the bit that confused me, how a single can be more than a dayrider. Strange. It does seem odd, especially on a new route. However a (KZone) day ticket is cheaper than a return for me travelling into Keighley - if I buy 5 or 10 on the app, much cheaper. Before the app, each time the fares changed I had to compare the return (the price of which was not advertised) with the day ticket. Since I moved here in 2007, the day ticket has been 10p more, 20p more, the same price and 20p cheaper than a return. Since the app launched, the bundles have always been cheaper than a return.
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Post by stevieinselby on Sept 28, 2020 16:24:24 GMT 1
They could make it easier to find, but the information is on their website. Returns are valid for 28 days. View AttachmentView AttachmentThe flyer day ticket does seem to be cheaper than a single from Harrogate. That's the bit that confused me, how a single can be more than a dayrider. Strange. I remember a few years ago catching the X43 from Skipton to Barlick one-way, and being told that a K-Day (or whatever it was, some kind of all-day zonal ticket) was £4.00 or a single for the same journey was £5.10. It's clearly designed to subvert some algorithm somewhere...
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 28, 2020 19:44:51 GMT 1
Same thing happened when the 762 ran to Harrogate - a K Day was cheaper for most journeys and notably undercut the competition but they did not market the fact.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 28, 2020 19:48:11 GMT 1
Same thing happened when the 762 ran to Harrogate - a K Day was cheaper for most journeys and notably undercut the competition but they did not market the fact. In my experience most drivers will sell a KDay when cheaper, but most will not sell a KZone when cheaper.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Sept 29, 2020 8:20:03 GMT 1
That's the bit that confused me, how a single can be more than a dayrider. Strange. I remember a few years ago catching the X43 from Skipton to Barlick one-way, and being told that a K-Day (or whatever it was, some kind of all-day zonal ticket) was £4.00 or a single for the same journey was £5.10. It's clearly designed to subvert some algorithm somewhere... More likely to be accident than design, you will probably find this type of anomaly is quite common across the country in particular where the Zone is larger than a distinct and homogenous urban area. Even the most well-informed member of staff will struggle to know every fare in the system and even a minor far adjustment in one place can knock on to make a significant change elsewhere which can produce such an anomaly and if it isn't raised as an issue and is lightly used or at the edges of the area it may never get picked up (and it may be decided if it is known that the impact of the anomaly is less than the issues changing it causes more widely).
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