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Post by martinsfp on Jul 22, 2020 19:16:20 GMT 1
I too am very pleased to see the restoration of a bus link between these 2 major West Yorkshire towns - quite surprised it will be run by Yorkshire Tiger - was expecting it could be Transdev. Transdev unlikely to have been interested, only recently reduced the Denholme sevice to hourly, trade not there anymore in this semi rural locality. Of course, they might have been interested in reintroducing a half-hourly Denholme-Keighley service with the support of a public subsidy! Maybe Yorkshire Tiger just put in a cheaper proposal. Now a rival will be providing that connection, they might not be so keen on the idea!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 22, 2020 19:25:37 GMT 1
Interesting to see Yorkshire Tiger partially renumbering the ‘roaring twenties’ back into the Halifax 500s range. They’ve done this before of course
Rye Lane went from 36 to 511 to 20 Highroad Well went from 28A to 540 to 21 Claremount went from 34 to 575 to 22
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 22, 2020 20:24:45 GMT 1
Arriva are also changing these services from 31st August 1 Market Weighton Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/263 2 Newport Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/264 5 Selby Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/268 42 York Drax 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/76 64 Selby Sherburn Industrial Estate 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/267 148 Wakefield Knottingley 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/41 156 Castleford Ferry Fryston 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/58 163 Castleford Leeds 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/14 167 Castleford Leeds 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/8 184 Castleford Pontefract 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/9 187 188 Wakefield Pontefract 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/20 189 Wakefield Leeds 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/133 401 Selby Goole 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/75 405 Doncaster Eggborough 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/74 405 Selby Eggborough 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/269 408 Pontefract Doncaster 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/42 415 York Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/79 476 Selby Glasshoughton (Junction 32) 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/135 493 Sherburn Industrial Estate Pontefract 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/183 Presumably the 64 is replacing the 402/403 between Selby and Sherburn, with the service between Sherburn and Leeds being lost – although it's an odd choice of number! So anyone travelling from Sherburn or South Milford to Garforth or Leeds will have to get the train from South Milford (which most people do anyway), and anyone travelling from Micklefield can get the train or the infrequent 175 to Garforth or Castleford. Interesting that the new services 1 and 2 are still there albeit amended, and no sign of the 3 being cancelled before it starts so presumably the plans to run through to Thorne are still going ahead as well. Presumably the 5 will be a new town service to replace the 6 and 7, although why they feel the need to renumber rather than sticking with the number the route has had for at least 20 years I don't know.
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Post by twy7 on Jul 22, 2020 22:00:46 GMT 1
Arriva are also changing these services from 31st August 1 Market Weighton Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/263 2 Newport Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/264 5 Selby Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/268 42 York Drax 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/76 64 Selby Sherburn Industrial Estate 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/267 148 Wakefield Knottingley 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/41 156 Castleford Ferry Fryston 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/58 163 Castleford Leeds 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/14 167 Castleford Leeds 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/8 184 Castleford Pontefract 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/9 187 188 Wakefield Pontefract 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/20 189 Wakefield Leeds 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/133 401 Selby Goole 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/75 405 Doncaster Eggborough 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/74 405 Selby Eggborough 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/269 408 Pontefract Doncaster 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/42 415 York Selby 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/79 476 Selby Glasshoughton (Junction 32) 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/135 493 Sherburn Industrial Estate Pontefract 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/183 Presumably the 64 is replacing the 402/403 between Selby and Sherburn, with the service between Sherburn and Leeds being lost – although it's an odd choice of number! So anyone travelling from Sherburn or South Milford to Garforth or Leeds will have to get the train from South Milford (which most people do anyway), and anyone travelling from Micklefield can get the train or the infrequent 175 to Garforth or Castleford. Interesting that the new services 1 and 2 are still there albeit amended, and no sign of the 3 being cancelled before it starts so presumably the plans to run through to Thorne are still going ahead as well. Presumably the 5 will be a new town service to replace the 6 and 7, although why they feel the need to renumber rather than sticking with the number the route has had for at least 20 years I don't know. So far this almost matches what I was told would be happening in april. I was told the 6 and 7 are going to go completely with the 403 bus to leeds running around thorpe williby but run by castleford and the 408 and 409 run by selby. But does not look like there will be a bus to leeds now which is ashame. Maybe castleford will keep the 408 and 409. Cant think what the new 5 is though. I think 1 2 and 3 might start at the end of august then? it looks like 476 will go to junction 32 like they said which will be good for when everything starts to get back to normal hopefully soon.
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Post by twy7 on Jul 22, 2020 22:08:13 GMT 1
Some more are in PB0000582/141 Cancelled ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Selby to Selby Service number: 7 (7) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 31 Aug 2020 PB0000582/140 Cancelled ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Selby to Selby Service number: 6 (6) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 31 Aug 2020 PB0000582/73 Cancelled ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Selby to Goole Service number: 4 (4) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 31 Aug 2020 PB0000582/53 Cancelled ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: PONTEFRACT BUS STATION to HEMSWORTH BUS STATION Service number: 46 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 31 Aug 2020 PB0000582/34 Cancelled ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD Route: Castleford to Ferry Fryston Service number: 156 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 31 Aug 2020 Cancelling the 156? Seems an interesting move, I guess there will be another service at some point starting a guess to replace it? Or they cancelling it due to cuts? As I've seen the Fryston's well used. Never heard of this 46 service either at all It is also down as changing though so may not be cancelled? Arriva are also changing these services from 31st August ...... 31-Aug-20 PB0000582/41 156 Castleford Ferry Fryston ......
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Post by sharksmith on Jul 22, 2020 22:16:31 GMT 1
Anyone know if TLC have a short notice contract to May 2021 when the Bradford & Shipley area routes should have been up for re-tender of if they have gained a longer more permanent contract.
It will probably be obvious by the vehicles they use, the last twice they gained full three year contracts for these routes they leased brand new vehicles to operate them.
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 22, 2020 22:23:32 GMT 1
Presumably the 64 is replacing the 402/403 between Selby and Sherburn, with the service between Sherburn and Leeds being lost – although it's an odd choice of number! So anyone travelling from Sherburn or South Milford to Garforth or Leeds will have to get the train from South Milford (which most people do anyway), and anyone travelling from Micklefield can get the train or the infrequent 175 to Garforth or Castleford. Interesting that the new services 1 and 2 are still there albeit amended, and no sign of the 3 being cancelled before it starts so presumably the plans to run through to Thorne are still going ahead as well. Presumably the 5 will be a new town service to replace the 6 and 7, although why they feel the need to renumber rather than sticking with the number the route has had for at least 20 years I don't know. So far this almost matches what I was told would be happening in april. I was told the 6 and 7 are going to go completely with the 403 bus to leeds running around thorpe williby but run by castleford and the 408 and 409 run by selby. But does not look like there will be a bus to leeds now which is ashame. Maybe castleford will keep the 408 and 409. Cant think what the new 5 is though. I think 1 2 and 3 might start at the end of august then? it looks like 476 will go to junction 32 like they said which will be good for when everything starts to get back to normal hopefully soon. the 476 extending to Junction 32 seems like it could be done as Selby used to have a regular summer only service running there as J32. It will also provide a 4th bus there from Pontefract as you already have 3 running there regular from Arriva (187, 410 & 411) and its 5 on a Saturday during "normal situations" as Ross Travel's 144 & 146 serve JCT32 on a Saturday whilst Mon-Fri they run nearby.
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 23, 2020 16:27:16 GMT 1
PB0000582/266 New ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 164 (164) Leeds Selby
Read on the repaints forum the ex-tiger versas will be painted into a Sapphire livery for these from Castleford depot.
PB0000582/75 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 401 (401, 641) Selby Goole
PB0000582/183 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 493 (493) Sherburn Industrial Estate Pontefract
PB0000582/265 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 3 (3) Thorne Selby
This looks to expire on August 31
PB0000582/173 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD X60 (X60) Leeds Castleford
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 16:52:11 GMT 1
PB0000582/266 New ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 164 (164) Leeds Selby Read on the repaints forum the ex-tiger versas will be painted into a Sapphire livery for these from Castleford depot. PB0000582/75 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 401 (401, 641) Selby Goole PB0000582/183 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 493 (493) Sherburn Industrial Estate Pontefract PB0000582/265 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 3 (3) Thorne Selby This looks to expire on August 31 PB0000582/173 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD X60 (X60) Leeds Castleford If the X60 does expire and doesn't get renewed Arriva will make a bunch of people who live in Allerton Bywater. Kippax and Garforth very angry.
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Post by twy7 on Jul 23, 2020 18:44:14 GMT 1
PB0000582/266 New ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 164 (164) Leeds Selby Well at least that explains the number 64 for sherburn so they will have 64 and 164 at the Selby end and 163 and 164 at the Leeds end.
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Post by joseph on Jul 23, 2020 19:51:40 GMT 1
PB0000582/266 New ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 164 (164) Leeds Selby Well at least that explains the number 64 for sherburn so they will have 64 and 164 at the Selby end and 163 and 164 at the Leeds end. Bloody hell fire, it's just clicked, I've been looking at the Leeds 1980 bus timetable thread recently and there is a 166 South Milford to Leeds route, now I know it's 2 digits off but I bet someone's been feeling quite nostalgic down at Arriva/Tiger recently, what with some of these old route numbers making a bit of a come back.
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 23, 2020 20:20:40 GMT 1
PB0000582/266 New ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 164 (164) Leeds Selby Read on the repaints forum the ex-tiger versas will be painted into a Sapphire livery for these from Castleford depot. PB0000582/75 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 401 (401, 641) Selby Goole PB0000582/183 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 493 (493) Sherburn Industrial Estate Pontefract PB0000582/265 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD 3 (3) Thorne Selby This looks to expire on August 31 PB0000582/173 Registered ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD X60 (X60) Leeds Castleford If the X60 does expire and doesn't get renewed Arriva will make a bunch of people who live in Allerton Bywater. Kippax and Garforth very angry. Should've made it more clear, sorry, the 3 is the one that is due to expire not the X60. I'm yet to take the X60, it would be convenient for me but they operate too late for me when I've finished work and too early for me to go to work on them. Also I've heard rumours that it fills up real quick.
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 23, 2020 20:42:42 GMT 1
Well at least that explains the number 64 for sherburn so they will have 64 and 164 at the Selby end and 163 and 164 at the Leeds end. Bloody hell fire, it's just clicked, I've been looking at the Leeds 1980 bus timetable thread recently and there is a 166 South Milford to Leeds route, now I know it's 2 digits off but I bet someone's been feeling quite nostalgic down at Arriva/Tiger recently, what with some of these old route numbers making a bit of a come back. Yep, there was also a 164 Leeds to Castleford in 80s. Interesting, but sensible change in number on the Leeds to Selby route as it will give some consistency of Arriva service numbrers on York Road. It went from 1 to 401 in March 1975 and continued to Goole, not serving Sherburn/South Milford for many years. It Changed to 402 in 1987 but continued to York Picc instead of Goole. Joined by a 403 making a half hourly service for a while very late 90s/early 00s. 401 old 402 never served Cross Gates, Halton instead, along the old A63. There was also a 465/475 Sherburn to Leeds in late 80s, via Micklefield I believe, as 402 only served that village on evenings/Sundays. There was also an experimental 403 at one point from Leeds to South Milford Sand Lane.
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Post by jdodger08 on Jul 23, 2020 22:51:03 GMT 1
164 disappeared in the early 2000's just after I moved to kippax. If I remember correctly there was 163/4/5 & 6
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 23, 2020 23:04:59 GMT 1
164 disappeared in the early 2000's just after I moved to kippax. If I remember correctly there was 163/4/5 & 6 Yep. I remember the 165 also. There was also a 162 at one stage, which ran through Halton via the route of the old 401 and original 402.
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Post by jst on Jul 24, 2020 0:15:35 GMT 1
And we also had the 140, X4, X64 & X66 too!
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Post by Burnside on Jul 24, 2020 9:28:10 GMT 1
Be interesting to see how Tiger time the 502.
I know there's nothing to force them to do so, but would be nice if it combined with Transdev to give a half hourly service between Keighley & Denholme, rather than, say both within 10 minutes and nothing for the next 50.
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Post by deerfold on Jul 24, 2020 11:23:48 GMT 1
Be interesting to see how Tiger time the 502. I know there's nothing to force them to do so, but would be nice if it combined with Transdev to give a half hourly service between Keighley & Denholme, rather than, say both within 10 minutes and nothing for the next 50. It would. It'll be nice to avoid the problem with the 504 recently - originally it was a 5 minute connection in each direction at Denholme. After the 67 was reduced and retimed it was a 40 minute+ wait in one direction and 20 in the other. And tricky to move to be handy for both directions without the bus resting at Denholme for an uneconomic amount of time. I wonder it if will go via Cullingworth.
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Post by Burnside on Jul 24, 2020 17:46:37 GMT 1
Be interesting to see how Tiger time the 502. I know there's nothing to force them to do so, but would be nice if it combined with Transdev to give a half hourly service between Keighley & Denholme, rather than, say both within 10 minutes and nothing for the next 50. It would. It'll be nice to avoid the problem with the 504 recently - originally it was a 5 minute connection in each direction at Denholme. After the 67 was reduced and retimed it was a 40 minute+ wait in one direction and 20 in the other. And tricky to move to be handy for both directions without the bus resting at Denholme for an uneconomic amount of time. I wonder it if will go via Cullingworth. And what effect it'll have on SPCT's X22...
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 24, 2020 22:07:02 GMT 1
It would. It'll be nice to avoid the problem with the 504 recently - originally it was a 5 minute connection in each direction at Denholme. After the 67 was reduced and retimed it was a 40 minute+ wait in one direction and 20 in the other. And tricky to move to be handy for both directions without the bus resting at Denholme for an uneconomic amount of time. I wonder it if will go via Cullingworth. And what effect it'll have on SPCT's X22... Personally I think it will be withdrawn unless Tiger's service is Monday to Friday only. Does everyone think this route would be on Tiger solos or maybe the X58 versas?
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 25, 2020 16:05:12 GMT 1
Should've made it more clear, sorry, the 3 is the one that is due to expire not the X60. I'm not sure ... on 13 March, Arriva registered the new services 1, 2 and 3 with effect 27 April. Then on 10 April, they made a Covid alteration 'temporary timetable' on all three services that paused their introduction. Those temporary timetables expire on 31 August. Arriva have registered timetable alterations for the 1 and 2 from 31 August, but not for the 3. I assume that means that the 1 and 2 will launch with a different timetable from what was originally registered on 31 August, and the 3 will launch with the timetable that was originally registered.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 16:09:36 GMT 1
Should've made it more clear, sorry, the 3 is the one that is due to expire not the X60. I'm not sure ... on 13 March, Arriva registered the new services 1, 2 and 3 with effect 27 April. Then on 10 April, they made a Covid alteration 'temporary timetable' on all three services that paused their introduction. Those temporary timetables expire on 31 August. Arriva have registered timetable alterations for the 1 and 2 from 31 August, but not for the 3. I assume that means that the 1 and 2 will launch with a different timetable from what was originally registered on 31 August, and the 3 will launch with the timetable that was originally registered. Do we have an idea of what vehicles could be used on these new services? The commanders? As I'd think the lowlanders will be used on the Doncasters or the 476 won't they?
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 25, 2020 18:20:17 GMT 1
I'm not sure ... on 13 March, Arriva registered the new services 1, 2 and 3 with effect 27 April. Then on 10 April, they made a Covid alteration 'temporary timetable' on all three services that paused their introduction. Those temporary timetables expire on 31 August. Arriva have registered timetable alterations for the 1 and 2 from 31 August, but not for the 3. I assume that means that the 1 and 2 will launch with a different timetable from what was originally registered on 31 August, and the 3 will launch with the timetable that was originally registered. Do we have an idea of what vehicles could be used on these new services? The commanders? As I'd think the lowlanders will be used on the Doncasters or the 476 won't they? Can deckers go on the 408/409 because i know the 410 used to have Alx400s or Spectras on it when it used to run Leeds to Doncaster but never seen deckers on 408/409
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 18:35:29 GMT 1
Do we have an idea of what vehicles could be used on these new services? The commanders? As I'd think the lowlanders will be used on the Doncasters or the 476 won't they? Can deckers go on the 408/409 because i know the 410 used to have Alx400s or Spectras on it when it used to run Leeds to Doncaster but never seen deckers on 408/409 Yes they can. As I got on 1949 a few months ago from Pontefract on the 187 and it came to Pontefract off the 409 so they definitely can, but I heard there was a low bridge or something in Askern so they have to be careful I heard from 2 drivers talking to each other, one of them was doing a double decker run to Doncaster from Pontefract. 1949 did the 409 full runs twice that day I got on from Pontefract on the 187. But usually Stephen, they try and avoid putting doubles on there, if there is a double on the 187 they will usually try and find a single decker to swap with at Castleford when the double is coming from Wakefield on the 187. That is from what I've seen. But if there is nothing available to swap with the double deckers will do the full 187/408/409. I've seen an E400 on the 408 too, but it's rare it happens like I said.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 25, 2020 19:10:59 GMT 1
Can deckers go on the 408/409 because i know the 410 used to have Alx400s or Spectras on it when it used to run Leeds to Doncaster but never seen deckers on 408/409 Yes they can. As I got on 1949 a few months ago from Pontefract on the 187 and it came to Pontefract off the 409 so they definitely can, but I heard there was a low bridge or something in Askern so they have to be careful I heard from 2 drivers talking to each other, one of them was doing a double decker run to Doncaster from Pontefract. 1949 did the 409 full runs twice that day I got on from Pontefract on the 187. But usually Stephen, they try and avoid putting doubles on there, if there is a double on the 187 they will usually try and find a single decker to swap with at Castleford when the double is coming from Wakefield on the 187. That is from what I've seen. But if there is nothing available to swap with the double deckers will do the full 187/408/409. I've seen an E400 on the 408 too, but it's rare it happens like I said. Don’t recall going under any low bridges in South Yorkshire when the 485 ran that way in 2005-2007 when I drove them. Only restriction on there was the bridge between Ackworth & Badsworth, under which a 13’9 Olympian or Spectra would pass, but you had to slow down to around 20mph to avoid bouncing whilst passing under.
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