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Post by benb on Jul 17, 2020 21:53:13 GMT 1
Hello!
I live in the wild moors between Halifax and Oldham. I've stumbled across a few timetable books (the Green/Cream earlier Metro Calderdale books), and some maps.
I'm looking to create a view of both routes and frequencies for Ripponden/Rishworth/Barkisland including buses over to Rochdale and Oldham. I have some comprehensive timetables for 1975, 1981 and 1987. I have only a map for 1992.
Does anyone have for sale, loan or scans of the Calderdale books, maps, or individual timetables at any point between 1974 and 2018?
Any pointers or help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Post by joseph on Jul 18, 2020 10:39:25 GMT 1
Contact Dewsbury Bus Museum, although some of the book/timetable stall holders may want their personal contact info kept private, the museum may have contact details for some of the stall holders who are happy for their info to be passed on. Many a Metro guide has been sold at events held here. On the internet is a comprehensive historical guide to cross boundary services passing between West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester via Saddleworth. I think it's a guy called David Bieley who has put it together, try typing into Google Saddleworth historical bus services and see if it comes up. As a couple of pointers, I can't remember exactly when, but some time in the late 90s, the rural bus fund provided funding to Metro for service 900 Huddersfield - Outlane - Pole Moor - Barkisland - Ripponden - Hebden Bridge route. It ran infrequently and only on certain days of the week to begin with, and had a parcel delivery service added in would you believe. Gradually it became a daily bus and eventually developed into what it is today, abet with many journeys running as 901 via the valley rather than Pole Moor. I do remember a small mini bus what used to serve villages above Ripponden which again was funded by the rural bus fund in the late 90s, can't remember it's number, but it was ran by a local man and ran evenings and Sundays, I think the route was called the Rievelin Valley link? It was named after some local valley that's for sure.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 18, 2020 11:46:18 GMT 1
Welcome to the forum 'benb' - an interesting idea to create some sort of document about the 'Trans-Pennine' routes which I also mentioned in another thread recently.
The site 'Saddleworth Buses' mentioned above by 'joseph' is indeed an excellent site with masses of historical information and photos with detailed captions which will be a very useful source of information for your enquiries.
I can tell you looking at my notes that in 1992 the 562 ran hourly throughout the week from Halifax - Oldham and was run by Yorkshire Rider (Halifax).
The valley mentioned in the above post is the Ryburn valley (which runs from Sowerby Bridge up via Ripponden onto the moors). The Rivelin Valley is another interesting valley with rare bus routes still in Yorkshire, but in the South Yorks area and followed by the A57 road linking Sheffield and Lancs via the Snake Pass.
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Post by deerfold on Jul 18, 2020 13:09:41 GMT 1
Hello! I live in the wild moors between Halifax and Oldham. I've stumbled across a few timetable books (the Green/Cream earlier Metro Calderdale books), and some maps. I'm looking to create a view of both routes and frequencies for Ripponden/Rishworth/Barkisland including buses over to Rochdale and Oldham. I have some comprehensive timetables for 1975, 1981 and 1987. I have only a map for 1992. Does anyone have for sale, loan or scans of the Calderdale books, maps, or individual timetables at any point between 1974 and 2018? Any pointers or help would be appreciated. Thanks Ben I've not got them to hand, but I used to live in Ripponden and will have all the timetables for at least 1990 - 2001 with selected ones before and after that. The oddest was a one-summer only 565 Halifax - West Vale - Denshaw (1 journey, that direction only). I'll try and scan them (probably in sections). |
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Post by benb on Jul 18, 2020 21:01:21 GMT 1
Thanks so much for the replies. Will try Dewsbury Bus Museum. It's not quite what I'm after -- showing volumes, rather than routes -- but I've added my data so far to this visualisation tool. flowmap.blue/1nCHo6PG-K4OpgWz0AuahSuLnzt_a-TNo5Y-SsV99iPw?v=53.673068,-1.943605,12.33,0,0&a=1&b=1&bo=81&c=1&d=0<=1&lfm=ALL&col=YlGn&f=0 Feel free to have a look at the years so far and their relative traffics. The Saddleworth Buses pages are amazing! And deerfold, any of that would be great. The oddest service so far is a seasonal one, hitting Barkisland on a route between Holmfirth and Dewsbury: 451 Kirklees Explorer connecting with the 900. |
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Post by ratty on Jul 18, 2020 22:16:44 GMT 1
Contact Dewsbury Bus Museum, although some of the book/timetable stall holders may want their personal contact info kept private, the museum may have contact details for some of the stall holders who are happy for their info to be passed on. Many a Metro guide has been sold at events held here. On the internet is a comprehensive historical guide to cross boundary services passing between West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester via Saddleworth. I think it's a guy called David Bieley who has put it together, try typing into Google Saddleworth historical bus services and see if it comes up. As a couple of pointers, I can't remember exactly when, but some time in the late 90s, the rural bus fund provided funding to Metro for service 900 Huddersfield - Outlane - Pole Moor - Barkisland - Ripponden - Hebden Bridge route. It ran infrequently and only on certain days of the week to begin with, and had a parcel delivery service added in would you believe. Gradually it became a daily bus and eventually developed into what it is today, abet with many journeys running as 901 via the valley rather than Pole Moor. I do remember a small mini bus what used to serve villages above Ripponden which again was funded by the rural bus fund in the late 90s, can't remember it's number, but it was ran by a local man and ran evenings and Sundays, I think the route was called the Rievelin Valley link? It was named after some local valley that's for sure. It was the early 90's when the 900 started I know for definite. The summer of 1991 I spent the whole time doing 500 Halifax to Keighley via Hebden Bridge and Haworth, Tuesday to Friday, and then the 900 on a Saturday. The year after, I left Yorkshire Rider, but the one thing I am not clear about is just when the 900 started, it could have been 1990. I'm not sure, I don't think 1991 was its first season. |
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Post by deerfold on Jul 18, 2020 23:07:02 GMT 1
The oddest service so far is a seasonal one, hitting Barkisland on a route between Holmfirth and Dewsbury: 451 Kirklees Explorer connecting with the 900. Now that is going back. It did return, though. |
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Post by joseph on Jul 18, 2020 23:24:49 GMT 1
Contact Dewsbury Bus Museum, although some of the book/timetable stall holders may want their personal contact info kept private, the museum may have contact details for some of the stall holders who are happy for their info to be passed on. Many a Metro guide has been sold at events held here. On the internet is a comprehensive historical guide to cross boundary services passing between West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester via Saddleworth. I think it's a guy called David Bieley who has put it together, try typing into Google Saddleworth historical bus services and see if it comes up. As a couple of pointers, I can't remember exactly when, but some time in the late 90s, the rural bus fund provided funding to Metro for service 900 Huddersfield - Outlane - Pole Moor - Barkisland - Ripponden - Hebden Bridge route. It ran infrequently and only on certain days of the week to begin with, and had a parcel delivery service added in would you believe. Gradually it became a daily bus and eventually developed into what it is today, abet with many journeys running as 901 via the valley rather than Pole Moor. I do remember a small mini bus what used to serve villages above Ripponden which again was funded by the rural bus fund in the late 90s, can't remember it's number, but it was ran by a local man and ran evenings and Sundays, I think the route was called the Rievelin Valley link? It was named after some local valley that's for sure. It was the early 90's when the 900 started I know for definite. The summer of 1991 I spent the whole time doing 500 Halifax to Keighley via Hebden Bridge and Haworth, Tuesday to Friday, and then the 900 on a Saturday. The year after, I left Yorkshire Rider, but the one thing I am not clear about is just when the 900 started, it could have been 1990. I'm not sure, I don't think 1991 was its first season. Ah, right, it must have been withdrawn for a few years as it was launched as one of those rural bus grant funded services in the late 90s, I think it ran 3 or 4 days a week when it was re-launched. |
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Post by ratty on Jul 19, 2020 9:16:00 GMT 1
It was the early 90's when the 900 started I know for definite. The summer of 1991 I spent the whole time doing 500 Halifax to Keighley via Hebden Bridge and Haworth, Tuesday to Friday, and then the 900 on a Saturday. The year after, I left Yorkshire Rider, but the one thing I am not clear about is just when the 900 started, it could have been 1990. I'm not sure, I don't think 1991 was its first season. Ah, right, it must have been withdrawn for a few years as it was launched as one of those rural bus grant funded services in the late 90s, I think it ran 3 or 4 days a week when it was re-launched. I'm not so sure that it actually stopped fully as such. But as I said I left Yorkshire Rider in 1992, and the area in 1996, which also is about the same time as I stopped getting Metro Transport News, which would have recorded it in the usual thoroughness that the late Brian Parkin would!! By the way, excuse my higgorance Benb but welcome to the group. Just a thought, although I left in 92, one of our contributors, Andy 1, is still employed at Halifax today and could possibly come up with an answer, or at least have more of an idea than me. |
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Post by andy1 on Jul 19, 2020 15:56:18 GMT 1
Thanks for that Chris, actually the 900 was operating before deregulation in the mid 80s, 1985/86 i worked a duty one Sunday for the PTE it was marketed
900 Wayfarer, ( before we knew about Wayfarer ticket machines) i had a 7000 series Fleetline on it, and that was the 1st and last time i ever worked it .
Afterwards in my career i have worked some other terrific rural routes, notable ones being Hx to Burnley 517 (515)via Heptonstall and Blackshaw Head.
906 Hardcastle crags to Widdop reservoir via Hebden and Heptonstall .
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Post by joseph on Jul 19, 2020 16:26:32 GMT 1
Thanks for that Chris, actually the 900 was operating before deregulation in the mid 80s, 1985/86 i worked a duty one Sunday for the PTE it was marketed 900 Wayfarer, ( before we knew about Wayfarer ticket machines) i had a 7000 series Fleetline on it, and that was the 1st and last time i ever worked it . Afterwards in my career i have worked some other terrific rural routes, notable ones being Hx to Burnley 517 (515)via Heptonstall and Blackshaw Head. 906 Hardcastle crags to Widdop reservoir via Hebden and Heptonstall . Bloody Hell, right, didn't expect that, I do remember way back in 1997 a bus service in Huddersfield going to Pole Moor in the evening rush hour and I thought at the time, what a strange name for a place, must go up there some time. A while later, I read about the 900 in some Metro Rural Bus publicity timetable leaflet thingy and noticed that it went past Pole Moor. I thought right, got to try that route, so I did. Surprised that Pole Moor had a peak time bus, never mind a bus at all it's so small lol. I do remember reading in the leaflet that it was a new Metro Rural service so I recon it replaced the Pole Moor bus and was an enhanced version of the Wayfarer 900. |
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Post by deerfold on Jul 19, 2020 16:31:00 GMT 1
Thanks for that Chris, actually the 900 was operating before deregulation in the mid 80s, 1985/86 i worked a duty one Sunday for the PTE it was marketed 900 Wayfarer, ( before we knew about Wayfarer ticket machines) i had a 7000 series Fleetline on it, and that was the 1st and last time i ever worked it . Afterwards in my career i have worked some other terrific rural routes, notable ones being Hx to Burnley 517 (515)via Heptonstall and Blackshaw Head. 906 Hardcastle crags to Widdop reservoir via Hebden and Heptonstall . Bloody Hell, right, didn't expect that, I do remember way back in 1997 a bus service in Huddersfield going to Pole Moor in the evening rush hour and I thought at the time, what a strange name for a place, must go up there some time. A while later, I read about the 900 in some Metro Rural Bus publicity timetable leaflet thingy and noticed that it went past Pole Moor. I thought right, got to try that route, so I did. Surprised that Pole Moor had a peak time bus, never mind a bus at all it's so small lol. I do remember reading in the leaflet that it was a new Metro Rural service so I recon it replaced the Pole Moor bus and was an enhanced version of the Wayfarer 900. Pole Moor was served until a couple of years ago by a peak extension to another route. There was one trip into Huddersfield and two back. Pole Moor was not mentioned on the outside of the timetable which probably didn't help take up. |
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 20, 2020 10:26:45 GMT 1
Some interesting material here - I only made detailed notes on operations in Calderdale after deregulation in 1986 - anything before is relying on memory!
I think the 900 did start in 1985 and ran 2 journeys only in the Summer Holidays - it was termed Wayfarer. By 1989 I have the 900 running from May to September plus Bank Holidays & Summer Holidays still run by Yorkshire Rider (Hudderfield). There does seem to be a gap in the early/mid 1990s until March 1999 when the 900 was reintroduced as part of the 'Rural Bus Grant. 3 journeys were now provided all day throughout the year and it was still run by 'First Huddersfield'. A number of new features were introduced with this revival including the bus being fitted with wheelchair lift and access for all, a £1 flat fare for any journey, 'hail & ride' outside the urban areas, message & parcel facility for 50p and my favourite the route was given a weather warning in the timetable 'due to the nature of the area and bad weather disrupts the service!' A full sized single decker was to be used at weekends for passengers to enjoy the 'rural beauty of the area'
The whole route linked together 3 rural terminii - Pole Moor / Nont Sarah's (just in Kirklees), Dean Head and Cragg Vale with buses being operated on these very rural roads for the first time (ie Pole Moor -Buckstones - Dean Head & Blackstone Edge - Cragg Vale) - this latter section includes the 5.5m longest continual gradient on a main road in the UK.
I agree with 'andy1' that the the old 517 route via the original Hebble service from Halifax to Burnley 'over't tops' has to be one of the most memorable routes and it survived for so long to an unchanged timetable of just 2 journeys on a Saturday for so long.
Good luck with the research 'benb' _ I understand now what you are doing and I am almost certain that this research will be breaking new ground!
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Post by deerfold on Jul 20, 2020 11:37:31 GMT 1
Some interesting material here - I only made detailed notes on operations in Calderdale after deregulation in 1986 - anything before is relying on memory! I think the 900 did start in 1985 and ran 2 journeys only in the Summer Holidays - it was termed Wayfarer. By 1989 I have the 900 running from May to September plus Bank Holidays & Summer Holidays still run by Yorkshire Rider (Hudderfield). There does seem to be a gap in the early/mid 1990s until March 1999 when the 900 was reintroduced as part of the 'Rural Bus Grant. 3 journeys were now provided all day throughout the year and it was still run by 'First Huddersfield'. A number of new features were introduced with this revival including the bus being fitted with wheelchair lift and access for all, a £1 flat fare for any journey, 'hail & ride' outside the urban areas, message & parcel facility for 50p and my favourite the route was given a weather warning in the timetable 'due to the nature of the area and bad weather disrupts the service!' A full sized single decker was to be used at weekends for passengers to enjoy the 'rural beauty of the area' The whole route linked together 3 rural terminii - Pole Moor / Nont Sarah's (just in Kirklees), Dean Head and Cragg Vale with buses being operated on these very rural roads for the first time (ie Pole Moor -Buckstones - Dean Head & Blackstone Edge - Cragg Vale) - this latter section includes the 5.5m longest continual gradient on a main road in the UK. In 1999 I was working in Halifax for the Halifax and living in Ripponden (but with a girlfriend in Harrogate). I had slightly different times on different days. For a few months, on one day a week I'd finish at 1600, run to catch the 574 which left the bus station at 1600! Someone I knew used to catch that bus so I'd chat with them. I'd get off it at Ludddenden Foot and get the next bus to Mytholmroyd. That'd give me 5 minutes to get the 900 to Ripponden. It was run by a small minibus (the type a school or charity might have) so had 8 or 9 seats but no aisle. You could ring the driver to reserve a seat. On one occasion the bus was full and I got a train to Sowerby Bridge and then the next bus home. Usually, however, I got to Ripponden about the same time as the 1625/1630 bus along the main road which is what I'd have got if I'd staying in Halifax. The £1 fare lasted a surprisingly long time - I used it many years later having got a train or coach to Huddersfield when no longer living in Ripponden but with family there. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 20, 2020 13:23:19 GMT 1
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jul 20, 2020 14:57:29 GMT 1
Was the 377 routing the same as currently. Taking a decker round the estates might have been interesting. |
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Post by ratty on Jul 20, 2020 16:45:03 GMT 1
Was the 377 routing the same as currently. Taking a decker round the estates might have been interesting. What was even more interesting, was going over Scammonden Bridge when the wind had picked up and you had a decker. I sit back nowadays and think 'did I really do that, cos I wouldn't now 30+ years on. Headlights, fog lights, hazard lights on, middle of the road, close both eyes and hope that you get to the other side without meeting owt. Funnily enough, I had more experiences of wind trouble on the ledge going to Boothtown from Queensbury on the 576, with the front end being lifted by the wind. Talk about twitching backsides!!! |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 20, 2020 16:57:12 GMT 1
Was the 377 routing the same as currently. Taking a decker round the estates might have been interesting. No it was literally straight up the main road to Salendine Nook, Mount, Outlane and then turning at Pole Moor |
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Post by deerfold on Aug 15, 2020 19:19:42 GMT 1
Just come across a Ryburn Valley Taxibus timetable.
From Monday 27 June 2006 these services were introduced:
910 MF peak only
Rishworth/Soyland-Ripponden-Barkisland-Norland-Sowerby Bridge station
Morning peak from Rishworth/Soyland at:
0613 0645 0713 0745 0813 0913
Taking 22 minutes.
Return at:
1624 1655 1724 1755 1824 1855
Rishworth and Soyland were served if prebooked and may be up to 10 minutes earlier.
912 MF Peak
Holywell Green/Sowood-Stainland-Barkisland-Norland-Sowerby Bridge station
Morning peak at 0635 0735 0835
Taking 27 minutes.
Return at:
1626 1726 1826
Holywell Green and Sowood were served if prebooked and may be up to 10 minutes earlier.
909 MF off-peak
Ripponden-Barkisland-Stainland-Holywell Green-West Vale-Elland (with connections to Brighouse via MC4)
0852 hourly to 1452
Returned from Elland:
0920 hourly to 1520
Route would divert on request or prebooking to Far Cockroft/Flat Head/Turnpike Inn/Penny Hill/Slack/Jagger Green.
909 Saturday
As MF but extending to Brighouse Sainsbury's.
From Ripponden at 0900 hourly to 1600
From Brighouse 0956 hourly to 1656.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 2, 2020 11:55:54 GMT 1
Came across a Ribble timetable book from May 1966. It has the 28 Leeds - Halifax - Ripponden - Rochdale timetable in it. As well as an early trip from Halifax to Gig Mill so there's an early start in the opposite direction, the service runs largely hourly from early until late with a few short journeys, and Saturday daytime is every 30 minutes between Halifax and Rochdale.
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Post by deerfold on Sept 2, 2020 22:00:44 GMT 1
Today's find is a 1994 timetable - which was in what I think of as a "stable" period when routes and times had only minor changes.
Monday to Sat:
528 at xx40 from Halifax (except 0745) from 0640 until 1440 then 527 1550, 528 1640 then alternately at xx50 until 527 2150 527 2250 (to Ripponden via Gig Mill).
528 at xx50 from Rochdale from 0850 to 1850 then alternately 527 and 528 to 2250. Also 527 at 0745 from Rochdale and 528 at 1751 from Ripponden (return of 566 from Halifax at 1720) and 2322 from Gig Mill (so 2 528s 12 minutes apart at Gig Mill, 7 minutes apart by Halifax).
560 from Halifax at 0525, then xx20 to 1620, 1730, 2300.
560 from Commons at 0559 then xx59 to 1659, 1805.
562 from Halifax at 0600 then xx00 to 2200.
562 from Oldham at 0710 then xx10 to 2210, 2308. Also 0644 from Rishworth, an hour before the first one from Oldham.
564/566 from Halifax (mostly to Ripponden): 564 0550 to Mill Bank, Ripponden then Littleborough, 564 0710, 566 0750, 564 0820, 566 0935 then alternately at xx35 until 564 1635, 566 1720, 564 1815.
564/566 mostly from Ripponden: 564 from Littleborough 0646 via Ripponden and Mill Bank, 566 0744, 564 0820, 566 0854 then alternately at 564 xx06 or 566 xx10 from 1006 to 1710 then 566 1851.
Sundays:
527/8 alternating at xx50 from Halifax from 0950 until 2150 then as weekdays.
528/7 alternating at xx50 from Halifax from 1050 until 2250 with extra bus from Gig Mill as weekdays.
560 from Halifax at 2300 only.
No 560 from Commons.
562 from Halifax at 0900 then xx00 to 2200.
562 from Oldham at 0910 then xx10 to 2210, 2308.
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Post by benb on Oct 26, 2020 23:17:23 GMT 1
Ha ha! That's the timetable I sent over to Matt!
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Post by kenh on Jan 30, 2021 17:27:13 GMT 1
I have just got a Todmorden JOC timetable for 1969.
Its scanned and sent to Matt at TTW who should put it online in about a week
Sorry, my geography of the area is a little rusty, so this may not be in the area of interest.
It has these services, hope the list helps
Todmorden – Halifax Hospitals
Todmorden – Portsmouth – Holme – Burnley
Todmorden – Eastwood – Hebden Bridge (Cheetham Street)
Todmorden – Summit (Summit Inn)
Hebden Bridge (Railway Station) – Pecket Well – Old Town (Acre Mill)
Hebden Bridge (Railway Station) – Oxenhope (Post Office) – Keighley (Bus Station)
Operated jointly with Keighley – West Yorkshire Services Limited
Todmorden – Cloughfoot
Todmorden – Rochdale (Smith Street)
Limited Stop Service
Todmorden – Lumbutts (Council School)
Todmorden (Bridge Foot) - Cross Lee
Todmorden (Bridge Foot) - Hebden Bridge – Luddendenfoot – Halifax
Operated jointly with Halifax Joint Omnibus Committee
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