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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 3, 2020 2:30:48 GMT 1
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As reported by GMCA, Yorkshire Tiger will be no longer running the Monday to Saturday buses, the last day to be 29 August.
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Post by andy1 on Jul 3, 2020 15:31:20 GMT 1
Yes that is correct First West Yorkshire , Halifax depot are operating it .
It will be renumbered 528 ,it is part of the South Calderdale tenders that were meant to commence on May 16th .
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 3, 2020 16:29:53 GMT 1
That is interesting - we have gone round in a full circle here! Let us hope they try to offer more than the 4 journeys per day and reintroduce an evening service. Never an easy route to timetable, as the return trip takes more than 2 hours during the daytime - maybe interwork with the 588?
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Post by andy1 on Jul 3, 2020 19:24:57 GMT 1
More likely to be interworked with 560 Halifax to Commons, as all journeys including early morning and evening presently operated by Tiger will also be operated by First.
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Post by boeing737229adv on Jul 3, 2020 22:21:20 GMT 1
Yes that is correct First West Yorkshire , Halifax depot are operating it . It will be renumbered 528 ,it is part of the South Calderdale tenders that were meant to commence on May 16th . It was operated by First prior to Huddersfield Bus Company/K-line taking it on in about 2010 wasn't it? |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 3, 2020 23:12:23 GMT 1
Yes it was First until Centrebus won the Calderdale tenders in 2010. They initially used a fleet of Tempos.
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Post by deerfold on Jul 4, 2020 17:20:34 GMT 1
First (and their antecedents) ran it for a long time as before then it was run by Yelloway. They took over sometime after 1986.
Although when First first ran it, it alternated between 527 via Mill Bank and 528 via Ripponden.
And for a while was 567/8.
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Post by andy1 on Jul 4, 2020 19:28:28 GMT 1
It actually ran for many years up to Deregulation as 527/8 West Yorkshire PTE ,Calderdale District being the sole operator , after the Tender was lost Yelloway Motor Services operated it for just about 2 years (26th Oct 86 to the Autumn of 1988 using 567/8) Due to performance issues Yelloway had the tender removed and Yorkshire Rider ( PTEs operating company at Dereg) awarded it , Rider also used 567/8 untill a revision led to most journeys becoming 528 again and the introduction of the 564 Mill Bank, Soyland circular .
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Post by ratty on Jul 4, 2020 20:11:54 GMT 1
And of course Andy, Hebble and Calderdale JOC before the PTE.
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Post by moorside on Jul 4, 2020 20:44:19 GMT 1
When the 527 was first introduced (then I think just 27), it was routed via Lower Mill Bank Road, Foxen Lane and Hob Lane to the Beehive and onwards, with a few local buses (60 / 61?) serving the part of the route round by the Alma, as I recall. Nobody told the residents of Lower Mill Bank Road, and some of them were in the habit of hanging out their washing across the road, so on the first day they had to hastily remove the washing to let the bus through! This routing did not last too long! Anyone else remember this - or have I dreamed it?!
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Post by SF07 on Jul 4, 2020 21:23:33 GMT 1
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 5, 2020 9:47:34 GMT 1
This post has brought back many happy memories for me. I can remember catching a Halifax Regal 3 from Halifax to Bee Hive (Route 60) - both the destination name and the route appealed to me! I was only about 10 or 11 years old and enjoyed venturing by myself ever further to these rather exotic sounding places. (How the youngsters of today are so unadventurous). I could not believe that the scenery was so attractive and I felt as though I had travelled much further than 5 or 6 miles from Halifax. The route was of course totally unsuitable around Mill Bank and Cottonstones for full size single deckers, as it still is to this day. The Halifax to Rochdale route has a long and chequered history, but I do hope this cross-boundary route will continue over the wild Yorkshire Moors for a little longer yet!
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Post by andy1 on Jul 5, 2020 11:19:28 GMT 1
When the 527 was first introduced (then I think just 27), it was routed via Lower Mill Bank Road, Foxen Lane and Hob Lane to the Beehive and onwards, with a few local buses (60 / 61?) serving the part of the route round by the Alma, as I recall. Nobody told the residents of Lower Mill Bank Road, and some of them were in the habit of hanging out their washing across the road, so on the first day they had to hastily remove the washing to let the bus through! This routing did not last too long! Anyone else remember this - or have I dreamed it?! I Do recall in the early 1990s Mill Bank road was closed for gas works and although most journeys ran via Ripponden the 1550 and 1750 plus the evening service still ran 527 route, the diversion was down lower Mill Bank road and up Foxen Lane , it was deemed unsuitable for the Leopards and Tigers we had at the time and were allocated manual gearbox Freight Rover Sherpas . |
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Post by deerfold on Jul 5, 2020 15:26:56 GMT 1
And of course Andy, Hebble and Calderdale JOC before the PTE. Indeed, including when it ran from Leeds to Rochdale as the 28 (or 8). |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 5, 2020 16:43:10 GMT 1
During lockdown I've got my old timetables in order, which is useful for this thread
The Rochdale service has looked like this in various timetables
October 1973
27 via Mill Bank, operated to/from Leeds
28 via Ripponden, operated to/from Leeds - both every 2 hours
October 1977
27 via Mill Bank
28 via Ripponden - both every 2 hours
January 1981 and May 1986
527 via Mill Bank
528 via Ripponden - both every 2 hours
26 October 1986
567 Halifax - Littleborough via Mill Bank, every 2 hours, peaks extends to Rochdale
568 Halifax - Rochdale via Ripponden & Lydgate, every 2 hours
operated by Yelloway
May 1987
567 Halifax - Rochdale via Mill Bank, every 2 hours
568 Halifax - Rochdale via Ripponden & Lydgate, every 2 hours
operated by Yelloway
September 1989
567 Halifax - Rochdale via Mill Bank, every 2 hours
568 Halifax - Rochdale via Ripponden & Lydgate, every 2 hours
operated by Yorkshire Rider
January 1990
567 renumbered 527
568 renumbered 528
Unknown date?
All buses operated via Ripponden as service 528
Janaury 2010
528 now operated by Centrebus
January 2015
528 now renumbered X58
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Post by deerfold on Jul 5, 2020 18:50:09 GMT 1
Somewhere between 1990 and 2015 the 527 only ran evenings and Sundays, with 564/566 serving Mill Bank hourly during the day (plus extra peaks at some times).
The last 527 of the day used to leave Halifax at 2250, run to Gig Mill, then return to Ripponden where it became a 528 and returned to Halifax. It used to pass through Ripponden around the same time as the 2300 560 from Halifax, so I used to catch it fairly often.
Different drivers used to turn at different points. Some used to appreciate a hand with the turn, so there were times I was hanging out of the front door shouting directions to the driver.
Somewhere I should have all the timetables between 1990 and the early 2000s.
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Post by steve440 on Jul 5, 2020 19:02:46 GMT 1
This post has brought back many happy memories for me. I can remember catching a Halifax Regal 3 from Halifax to Bee Hive (Route 60) - both the destination name and the route appealed to me! I was only about 10 or 11 years old and enjoyed venturing by myself ever further to these rather exotic sounding places. (How the youngsters of today are so unadventurous). I could not believe that the scenery was so attractive and I felt as though I had travelled much further than 5 or 6 miles from Halifax. The route was of course totally unsuitable around Mill Bank and Cottonstones for full size single deckers, as it still is to this day. The Halifax to Rochdale route has a long and chequered history, but I do hope this cross-boundary route will continue over the wild Yorkshire Moors for a little longer yet! My memories of the 527 are of the route being worked by WYPTE Leopards of the 85xx series. It was a very tight fit and I remember drivers waiting at one point until the bus in the other direction had passed so as not to meet each other on a narrow stretch. |
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 5, 2020 19:57:01 GMT 1
And of course Andy, Hebble and Calderdale JOC before the PTE. Indeed, including when it ran from Leeds to Rochdale as the 28 (or 8). Not sure when the route originally started but Hebble service 28 ran through to Leeds from August 1935 until the 1960s. There was also a No. 15 Burnley-Halifax-Leeds, routed via Heptonstall as the Traffic Commissioner's wouldn't let Hebble run through Todmorden. No. 8 was used for Halifax- Leeds before August 1935 and after it was split. Around 1970, Hebble's stage carriage services were merged with those of Halifax JOC. |
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Post by ratty on Jul 5, 2020 22:45:06 GMT 1
And of course Andy, Hebble and Calderdale JOC before the PTE. Indeed, including when it ran from Leeds to Rochdale as the 28 (or 8). 8 was Burnley via Tod from Leeds, but only for a couple of years. |
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Post by ratty on Jul 5, 2020 22:54:48 GMT 1
Somewhere between 1990 and 2015 the 527 only ran evenings and Sundays, with 564/566 serving Mill Bank hourly during the day (plus extra peaks at some times). The last 527 of the day used to leave Halifax at 2250, run to Gig Mill, then return to Ripponden where it became a 528 and returned to Halifax. It used to pass through Ripponden around the same time as the 2300 560 from Halifax, so I used to catch it fairly often. Different drivers used to turn at different points. Some used to appreciate a hand with the turn, so there were times I was hanging out of the front door shouting directions to the driver. Somewhere I should have all the timetables between 1990 and the early 2000s. Could be wrong it is 30 years since. But I left in 92, and I don't remember the 27 running like that. But, like I said it is 30 years ago. On the last Gig Mill we used to turn at the top end of the reservoir, or by the pub. Times were always tight and those 85** Leopards were just perfect for it. The speeds we got up to in places we should not have, were quite high. It was either that or run late!!! |
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Post by ratty on Jul 5, 2020 23:04:15 GMT 1
Indeed, including when it ran from Leeds to Rochdale as the 28 (or 8). 8 was Burnley via Tod from Leeds, but only for a couple of years. The 8 was always Hx to Lds until the addition of the 50, and latterly the diversion at New Pudsey. From what I gave gleened, there were through Leeds to Burnley trips very early 70's, but the vehicles were swapped on arrival in Halifax, especially if it was a decker. There are photos of a Halifax liveried Tod PD2 turning into Broad Street on its way to Leeds. Equally, there is also a photo somewhere of possibly the same bus approaching Portsmouth with Leeds on the front. |
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 6, 2020 10:43:53 GMT 1
This post has promoted me to look through my notes about this interesting route. Once again thanks to westyorkshirebus' for his synopsis of operations. I can add one or two notes:-
* The 527 via Mill Bank journeys were all withdrawn in March 1998 with the 528 then running hourly all day. The replacement services were frequently changed around Mill Bank and Soyland during this time with many variations.
* One of the most interesting diversions however, was a 5 month period between March & October 1992. Most journeys were renumbered 561 and ran from Halifax to Rochdale via Rishworth, Commons and Baitings to join the established route over the bridge over Baitings Reservoir (there was also a 559 running via Mill Bank, Gig Mill to Commons!). All this extra activity on this very rural road seem to put an added strain on the reservoir bridge and a weight limit was imposed stopping this operation.
* Also worth mentioning is that from 1995-2015 alternate journeys throughout the week diverted via Lydgate on the long hill down from
the White House to Littleborough serving a handful of farms and cottages.
There must be an opportunity here for a book maybe entitled 'A History of Trans-Pennine Bus Routes' (Oldham / Rochdale / Burnley etc)
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Post by andy1 on Jul 6, 2020 21:43:50 GMT 1
Not wishing to disrespect your very interesting post,as i was part of this period driving for Rider on the Oldham/ Rochdale rota ,it was actually May 92 it commenced , Commons in all its history never had such a good bus service
561 Hx to Roch and 560/559 circulars , the famous Commons reverse eliminated ! Unfortunately it suffered the 527 problem of the outward and inward buses meeting on the narrowest part of the route between Commons and Baitings Reservoir, Duple Dominant Tigers and ex WYRCC Leopards were order of the day and it was all very interesting . Yorkshire Water put a stop to it , Baitings Gate lane bridge never designed for full size buses .
It was never sustainable the winter weather would have caused substantial disruption and the public never took to it , the residents of Rochdale road out of Ripponden struggled , their had always caught the 528 Roch bus and now it was 559 Commons with the Roch bus going via Rishworth .
Regarding High peak, Lydgate , Yelloway motor services were the 1st operator to serve THIS Hamlet at Dereg in Oct 86 ( formerly served by GMT LOCAL SERVICE FROM Littleborough ) this continued with Rider , First and Tiger until 2015 and the X58 , Lydgate no longer as a bus service.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 7, 2020 9:49:20 GMT 1
Thanks 'andy1' for your comments and corrections. I did not know that Yelloway had run journeys via Lydgate as long ago as 1986 - it always seemed a very sparse area for any traffic - maybe just a few more houses than running on the main A58 road.
You are absolutely correct it was May 1992 (not March - 1st 2 letters correct!) when the short-lived 561 operated for just a short time via Commons and Baitings - I never rode on any buses on this route, but I do seem to recall that Halifax Passenger Transport may have included this road on one of their popular Countryside Tours in the 60s.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jul 7, 2020 9:53:31 GMT 1
Thanks 'andy1' for your comments and corrections. I did not know that Yelloway had run journeys via Lydgate as long ago as 1986 - it always seemed a very sparse area for any traffic - maybe just a few more houses than running on the main A58 road.
You are absolutely correct it was May 1992 (not March - 1st 2 letters correct!) when the short-lived 561 operated for just a short time via Commons and Baitings - I never rode on any buses on this route, but I do seem to recall that Halifax Passenger Transport may have included this road on one of their popular Countryside Tours in the 60s.
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