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Post by cwtransportphotos on Jul 28, 2020 17:14:17 GMT 1
Just been asking Arriva on Twitter the details of the new 164 service between Selby and Leeds. Does anyone have any sources of information?
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Post by 1601 on Jul 28, 2020 20:01:34 GMT 1
It is to replace 403. Cas depot will be running it.
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Post by cwtransportphotos on Jul 28, 2020 22:30:22 GMT 1
It is to replace 403. Cas depot will be running it. I know it supposed to be replacing the 403 and that Cas are running it, but I was just wondering if anyone had any info regarding frequencies etc. I just find it a little odd that the proposals have been floating around on here, however when I asked Arriva on Twitter they didnt have any info about it
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 29, 2020 8:51:30 GMT 1
Just been asking Arriva on Twitter the details of the new 164 service between Selby and Leeds. Does anyone have any sources of information? It will be interesting to see where it starts in Leeds City Centre. City Bus Station, like the current 403 or Park Row, like the current 16x series the new service is part of. I remember some peak 402 services in the late 90s started from Park Row and it often added delay. I would like to think that the service will be at least hourly. Some of the users/potential users will probably be people who are now working at home, who would have previously worked in offices before the pandemic. I think it’s likely there will be some companies who perhaps chose to rationalise number of office desks after the pandemic and go for more of a home working model.
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 10:32:54 GMT 1
Just been asking Arriva on Twitter the details of the new 164 service between Selby and Leeds. Does anyone have any sources of information? It will be interesting to see where it starts in Leeds City Centre. City Bus Station, like the current 403 or Park Row, like the current 16x series the new service is part of. I remember some peak 402 services in the late 90s started from Park Row and it often added delay. I would like to think that the service will be at least hourly. Some of the users/potential users will probably be people who are now working at home, who would have previously worked in offices before the pandemic. I think it’s likely there will be some companies who perhaps chose to rationalise number of office desks after the pandemic and go for more of a home working model. One would hope so, especially with it being a Sapphire service you'd want it to be higher frequency. But maybe the Sapphire high frequency is meaning combined high frequency between Leeds and Garforth. I read somewhere on here that it may be being reduced to every 2hrs, but maybe with the new proposed service 64 running from Selby to Sherburn Industrial Estate, the route could be shortened through the daytime and the frequency retained.
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Post by selbybus on Jul 29, 2020 11:19:33 GMT 1
The 164 will operate every 2 hours and the 64 will operate every 2 hours combining to create a hourly service between Sherburn and Selby. The 164 will be operated by Cas and will interwork with the 163/166 services so Cas-Leeds-Selby-Leeds-Cas, the 64 will be operated by Selby and interwork with the 493 so Selby-Sherburn-Pontefract-Sherburn-Selby.
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 13:50:37 GMT 1
Wondering if the 476 will continue to be operated by Selby given 408/409 is now. I have a feeling that the 187 may begin to interwork with the 476.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 13:54:56 GMT 1
Wondering if the 476 will continue to be operated by Selby given 408/409 is now. I have a feeling that the 187 may begin to interwork with the 476. What do you mean the 408/409 is now? You suggesting Selby is to take over this service? By the looks of it the 476 is being extended to J32
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 14:13:17 GMT 1
Wondering if the 476 will continue to be operated by Selby given 408/409 is now. I have a feeling that the 187 may begin to interwork with the 476. What do you mean the 408/409 is now? You suggesting Selby is to take over this service? By the looks of it the 476 is being extended to J32 Think it's been confirmed elsewhere that they will be taking over the 408/409. With the 476 being extended to J32 that means the 187 could terminate there and display a 'continues to Pontefract and Selby' board.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:15:25 GMT 1
What do you mean the 408/409 is now? You suggesting Selby is to take over this service? By the looks of it the 476 is being extended to J32 Think it's been confirmed elsewhere that they will be taking over the 408/409. With the 476 being extended to J32 that means the 187 could terminate there and display a 'continues to Pontefract and Selby' board. If Selby has been confirmed to take over 408/409, if that is true which at the moment it's a case of wait and see, I wonder what vehicles they'd use on it?
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 14:17:24 GMT 1
Think it's been confirmed elsewhere that they will be taking over the 408/409. With the 476 being extended to J32 that means the 187 could terminate there and display a 'continues to Pontefract and Selby' board. If Selby has been confirmed to take over 408/409, if that is true which at the moment it's a case of wait and see, I wonder what vehicles they'd use on it? Tempos rumoured to be moving across.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:19:26 GMT 1
If Selby has been confirmed to take over 408/409, if that is true which at the moment it's a case of wait and see, I wonder what vehicles they'd use on it? Tempos rumoured to be moving across. Wonder what vehicles would the 187 get then? Because atm it's seem to be ran by Pulsars, Commanders and Tempos. Tempo's been on 167/168 quite often as well as of late.
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 14:20:44 GMT 1
Tempos rumoured to be moving across. Wonder what vehicles would the 187 get then? My guess is it would remain with the commanders (Selby and Wakefield might move a few over too) unless anything different comes over. Pulsars look to be fixed to 167/8/410/411.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:23:18 GMT 1
Wonder what vehicles would the 187 get then? My guess is it would remain with the commanders (Selby and Wakefield might move a few over too) unless anything different comes over. Pulsars look to be fixed to 167/8/410/411. 189 also. Been a lot of Pulsars on the 189 recently, I don't think they have enough doubles to run the 189 anymore, so there are a few singles on it. There's 3 on today as well, usually the same diagrams the singles are on when they are on 189
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 14:25:54 GMT 1
My guess is it would remain with the commanders (Selby and Wakefield might move a few over too) unless anything different comes over. Pulsars look to be fixed to 167/8/410/411. 189 also. Been a lot of Pulsars on the 189 recently, I don't think they have enough doubles to run the 189 anymore, so there are a few singles on it. There's 3 on today as well, usually the same diagrams the singles are on when they are on 189 There would be enough if two of them weren't currently on 410/411 and one wasn't on the 159
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:27:11 GMT 1
189 also. Been a lot of Pulsars on the 189 recently, I don't think they have enough doubles to run the 189 anymore, so there are a few singles on it. There's 3 on today as well, usually the same diagrams the singles are on when they are on 189 There would be enough if two of them weren't currently on 410/411 and one wasn't on the 159 I am not gonna bash Arriva, but wouldn't it make more sense to put a tempo on the 159 instead of a double? Seems a waste to me personally, but I guess there's a reason there is one on there?
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Post by mark51953 on Jul 29, 2020 16:04:55 GMT 1
If Selby has been confirmed to take over 408/409, if that is true which at the moment it's a case of wait and see, I wonder what vehicles they'd use on it? Tempos rumoured to be moving across. Just watch this space as we have had a tempo and today we have had a MMC200 over type training from Huddersfield so who knows
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:11:54 GMT 1
Tempos rumoured to be moving across. Just watch this space as we have had a tempo and today we have had a MMC200 over type training from Huddersfield so who knows I presume the tempo was 1310, as that is the only tempo not in service today
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Post by mark51953 on Jul 29, 2020 16:46:00 GMT 1
Yes was returned Monday morning to castleford
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Post by cwtransportphotos on Jul 29, 2020 16:55:01 GMT 1
Surely the 164 wont be an every 2 hour service, between Selby and Leeds, no way will the service cope especially with only single deckers. Prior to lockdown the 403's used to struggle often even with double deckers on an hourly timetable. I know businesses are likely to be pushing more people to be working from home I still dont see that making much of a difference.
Surely given that theyre only signle deckers and they are to be sapphire spec Id have thought they'd have been every half hour
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Post by twy7 on Jul 29, 2020 18:48:01 GMT 1
Surely the 164 wont be an every 2 hour service, between Selby and Leeds, no way will the service cope especially with only single deckers. Prior to lockdown the 403's used to struggle often even with double deckers on an hourly timetable. I know businesses are likely to be pushing more people to be working from home I still dont see that making much of a difference. Surely given that theyre only signle deckers and they are to be sapphire spec Id have thought they'd have been every half hour Im a bit confused by this too because if it is a inter work with the 163 as is suggested on here then they would need to have single deckers on there to and they are even busier than the 403! It does seam weird to put sapphire on a service but to reduce it to 2 hourly. I am not ssure it is going to be sapphire
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 29, 2020 19:00:43 GMT 1
Just wait for Arriva, Metro & NYCC to announce the changes and take it from there as all this guess & speculation is getting out of hand and any employee at the affect depots can't be saying anything atm until the changes are announced by Arriva anyway.
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Post by twy7 on Jul 29, 2020 19:00:52 GMT 1
Tempos rumoured to be moving across. Just watch this space as we have had a tempo and today we have had a MMC200 over type training from Huddersfield so who knows Ive not seen that but there was a grey arriva click minibus in Selby the other day as well
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 29, 2020 19:22:39 GMT 1
Surely the 164 wont be an every 2 hour service, between Selby and Leeds, no way will the service cope especially with only single deckers. Prior to lockdown the 403's used to struggle often even with double deckers on an hourly timetable. I know businesses are likely to be pushing more people to be working from home I still dont see that making much of a difference. Surely given that theyre only signle deckers and they are to be sapphire spec Id have thought they'd have been every half hour I agree needs to be at least every hour really. At the turn of the century 402/3 combined was every half hour. One via Halton, the other via Cross Gates. Look at ANW130 though, that was made Sapphire but only ran the through from Macclesfield to Manchester every hour, with the one inbetween just going as far as Wilmslow. Last year they then cut the through Manc one to terminate at East Didsbury.
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Post by mark51953 on Jul 29, 2020 19:23:30 GMT 1
Just watch this space as we have had a tempo and today we have had a MMC200 over type training from Huddersfield so who knows Ive not seen that but there was a grey arriva click minibus in Selby the other day as well North West 1024 in Selby depot on hire for driver to learn the new Selby depot routes
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