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Post by dlspotter on May 20, 2020 10:30:20 GMT 1
With regards to buses I feel the Selby Olympuses would be coming over which is why I felt the 410 would be the most likely.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 11:55:07 GMT 1
With regards to buses I feel the Selby Olympuses would be coming over which is why I felt the 410 would be the most likely. Are Olympuses going to be converted for this Leeds Euro 6 thing or whatever it's called then?
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Post by dlspotter on May 20, 2020 12:23:11 GMT 1
With regards to buses I feel the Selby Olympuses would be coming over which is why I felt the 410 would be the most likely. Are Olympuses going to be converted for this Leeds Euro 6 thing or whatever it's called then? I'd've thought they had been as I keep seeing them on the 117 but not 100%
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Post by stephen01 on May 20, 2020 12:58:51 GMT 1
Isn't the 163/166 buses already Sapphire Standard I'm pretty sure. The 189 buses are Max Branded Spec I think Yes but the 403 isn't which is what I was suggesting would be upgraded. the 403 isn't on a high frequency for Sapphire. It could be Frequenta or be a MAX route at most
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Post by dlspotter on May 20, 2020 13:01:36 GMT 1
Yes but the 403 isn't which is what I was suggesting would be upgraded. the 403 isn't on a high frequency for Sapphire. It could be Frequenta or be a MAX route at most Frequenta is being phased out across the full network and the route only runs hourly as it is anyway The only upgrade I could foresee would be a 202/203 style upgrade but seems extremely unlikely
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 13:37:07 GMT 1
If it would interwork with the 410 and if the 403 does get transferred to Cas I think the 410 should at least be a Max Route to be perfectly honest or even Sapphire.
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Post by dlspotter on May 20, 2020 15:20:39 GMT 1
If it would interwork with the 410 and if the 403 does get transferred to Cas I think the 410 should at least be a Max Route to be perfectly honest or even Sapphire. Well the 189 is half-MAX branded (you can tell with the seat covers) I think Arriva are looking to phase out the MAX style of branding, and it's unlikely that they'll Sapphire a third Leeds route. My best bet is a 410/411 branding like the new 202/203 branding (similar to the new Heckspress 229 branding).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 20:31:39 GMT 1
Big for sale sign outside Castleford Depot noticed today is this the prelude to it closing moving the routes about?
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Post by dlspotter on Jun 8, 2020 17:35:38 GMT 1
Big for sale sign outside Castleford Depot noticed today is this the prelude to it closing moving the routes about? Could be, but a large move if they're intent on keeping routes like the 156, 159, 163, 166, 167, 168, 177, 187, 188, 189, 410 and 411. My thoughts are with regards to a possible depot move is either that they are looking to operate the routes from Wakefield depot, or they have found a better sized site.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 17:39:29 GMT 1
Big for sale sign outside Castleford Depot noticed today is this the prelude to it closing moving the routes about? Could be, but a large move if they're intent on keeping routes like the 156, 159, 163, 166, 167, 168, 177, 187, 188, 189, 410 and 411. My thoughts are with regards to a possible depot move is either that they are looking to operate the routes from Wakefield depot, or they have found a better sized site. Would they even be enough room to move those buses to Wakefield if it did happen?
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jun 8, 2020 18:47:46 GMT 1
Could be, but a large move if they're intent on keeping routes like the 156, 159, 163, 166, 167, 168, 177, 187, 188, 189, 410 and 411. My thoughts are with regards to a possible depot move is either that they are looking to operate the routes from Wakefield depot, or they have found a better sized site. Would they even be enough room to move those buses to Wakefield if it did happen? Been talk for years of a new depot, in Wakefield, Glasshoughton or Normanton to merge Castleford & Belle Isle. Same as talk of a new depot to merge Dewsbury & Heckmondwike. Just because the land is up for sale, doesn’t mean that the depot will close, the new landowners may be perfectly happy to continue leasing the land to Arriva to have the depot on.
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 8, 2020 19:20:37 GMT 1
Could be, but a large move if they're intent on keeping routes like the 156, 159, 163, 166, 167, 168, 177, 187, 188, 189, 410 and 411. My thoughts are with regards to a possible depot move is either that they are looking to operate the routes from Wakefield depot, or they have found a better sized site. Would they even be enough room to move those buses to Wakefield if it did happen? i can see the 187, 188 & 189 moving to Wakefield but can't see the 156, 159, 163-168, 177, 410, 411 and the Donnies operating from Wakey. I can potentially see the 184 though if it gets interworked with 187. They may also extend the X32 to Pontefract if the change happens
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 19:58:28 GMT 1
Would they even be enough room to move those buses to Wakefield if it did happen? i can see the 187, 188 & 189 moving to Wakefield but can't see the 156, 159, 163-168, 177, 410, 411 and the Donnies operating from Wakey. I can potentially see the 184 though if it gets interworked with 187. They may also extend the X32 to Pontefract if the change happens If that ever happened, it'd be interesting to see what vehicles would transfer there. I can't see the 189 moving to Wakey' as it's been with Castleford for years isn't it and one of Cas's most profitable routes, I guess.
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Post by peteleeds on Jun 8, 2020 20:23:12 GMT 1
With the recent demise of shearings would their Normanton site be of interest to arriva as a potential depot location?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 8, 2020 22:14:03 GMT 1
Could be, but a large move if they're intent on keeping routes like the 156, 159, 163, 166, 167, 168, 177, 187, 188, 189, 410 and 411. My thoughts are with regards to a possible depot move is either that they are looking to operate the routes from Wakefield depot, or they have found a better sized site. Would they even be enough room to move those buses to Wakefield if it did happen? No, slow down, they aren’t giving up any routes Belle Isle is or was up for sale as well goo.gl/maps/JeG1LYcE7TJGapfTA
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Post by stephen01 on Jun 8, 2020 22:38:17 GMT 1
Would they even be enough room to move those buses to Wakefield if it did happen? No, slow down, they aren’t giving up any routes Belle Isle is or was up for sale as well goo.gl/maps/JeG1LYcE7TJGapfTAdepending when the pic was on the google maps link but to me that looks like a possible expansion of the depot
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Post by steviewevie on Jun 9, 2020 9:28:55 GMT 1
Belle isle has indeed been up for sale for some time. The 'waste ground' is for yet more housing.
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Post by tyresmoke on Jun 9, 2020 13:09:41 GMT 1
Belle isle has indeed been up for sale for some time. The 'waste ground' is for yet more housing. As has Jesmond depot in Newcastle - for at least 5 years, and no change there either.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jun 15, 2020 14:45:56 GMT 1
Would they even be enough room to move those buses to Wakefield if it did happen? Been talk for years of a new depot, in Wakefield, Glasshoughton or Normanton to merge Castleford & Belle Isle. Same as talk of a new depot to merge Dewsbury & Heckmondwike. Just because the land is up for sale, doesn’t mean that the depot will close, the new landowners may be perfectly happy to continue leasing the land to Arriva to have the depot on. As been mentioned Heckmondwike and Dewsbury depot have been mooted to merge for years. Areas suggested and looked at in the past, were Ravensthorpe and Shaw Cross areas. As for Belle Isle, if anyone does buy Belle Isle site, Arriva would lease the site off the new owner for up to 3 years, while they look for a new site and build the new depot, these were the conditions listed in the sale conditions.
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Post by Penfold on Jun 16, 2020 17:37:05 GMT 1
Been talk for years of a new depot, in Wakefield, Glasshoughton or Normanton to merge Castleford & Belle Isle. Same as talk of a new depot to merge Dewsbury & Heckmondwike. Just because the land is up for sale, doesn’t mean that the depot will close, the new landowners may be perfectly happy to continue leasing the land to Arriva to have the depot on. As been mentioned Heckmondwike and Dewsbury depot have been mooted to merge for years. Areas suggested and looked at in the past, were Ravensthorpe and Shaw Cross areas. As for Belle Isle, if anyone does buy Belle Isle site, Arriva would lease the site off the new owner for up to 3 years, while they look for a new site and build the new depot, these were the conditions listed in the sale conditions. ...and initially had to be within a mile of Wakefield Bus station to limit the dead mileage. Im sure that condition has gone out of the window now if any of these mergers ring true. Belle Isle and Castleford (at Whitwood, Featherstone (back of Linpac), and the new relief road at bottom of Doncaster Road Belle Isle and Dewsbury (at Silkwood Estate ans Shaw Cross) Belle Isle (as on its own) at Newton Bar and back of Vauxhall Garage on Doncaster Road, Junction 41 amongst other. Plenty of Dewsbury/Heckmondwike conundrums too thrown into the equations. Last tale was Belle Isle was stopping where it it with most of the depot flattened and a new building for engineering built, Dewsbury becoming a MOT, major repair depot and only light engineering safety carried out at local depots. Dewsbury services split between BI and HE All rumours so its a waiting game now. This last 3 months will have thrown everything out of proportion too. Penfold
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Post by mutty on Jun 17, 2020 9:09:59 GMT 1
As been mentioned Heckmondwike and Dewsbury depot have been mooted to merge for years. Areas suggested and looked at in the past, were Ravensthorpe and Shaw Cross areas. As for Belle Isle, if anyone does buy Belle Isle site, Arriva would lease the site off the new owner for up to 3 years, while they look for a new site and build the new depot, these were the conditions listed in the sale conditions. ...and initially had to be within a mile of Wakefield Bus station to limit the dead mileage. Im sure that condition has gone out of the window now if any of these mergers ring true. Belle Isle and Castleford (at Whitwood, Featherstone (back of Linpac), and the new relief road at bottom of Doncaster Road Belle Isle and Dewsbury (at Silkwood Estate ans Shaw Cross) Belle Isle (as on its own) at Newton Bar and back of Vauxhall Garage on Doncaster Road, Junction 41 amongst other. Plenty of Dewsbury/Heckmondwike conundrums too thrown into the equations. Last tale was Belle Isle was stopping where it it with most of the depot flattened and a new building for engineering built, Dewsbury becoming a MOT, major repair depot and only light engineering safety carried out at local depots. Dewsbury services split between BI and HE All rumours so its a waiting game now. This last 3 months will have thrown everything out of proportion too. Penfold Why would Dewsbury services be split between Wakefield and Heckmondwike? Would the depot purely be there as a “ repair garage “?
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Post by dlspotter on Jun 17, 2020 11:26:55 GMT 1
...and initially had to be within a mile of Wakefield Bus station to limit the dead mileage. Im sure that condition has gone out of the window now if any of these mergers ring true. Belle Isle and Castleford (at Whitwood, Featherstone (back of Linpac), and the new relief road at bottom of Doncaster Road Belle Isle and Dewsbury (at Silkwood Estate ans Shaw Cross) Belle Isle (as on its own) at Newton Bar and back of Vauxhall Garage on Doncaster Road, Junction 41 amongst other. Plenty of Dewsbury/Heckmondwike conundrums too thrown into the equations. Last tale was Belle Isle was stopping where it it with most of the depot flattened and a new building for engineering built, Dewsbury becoming a MOT, major repair depot and only light engineering safety carried out at local depots. Dewsbury services split between BI and HE All rumours so its a waiting game now. This last 3 months will have thrown everything out of proportion too. Penfold Why would Dewsbury services be split between Wakefield and Heckmondwike? Would the depot purely be there as a “ repair garage “? Most Dewsbury services that would be too far to be operated out of Heckmondwike go to Wakefield anyway, except the 202, 203 and 280. With regards to BI and Castleford there could possibly be land on or near the A6539 (new-ish road from Normanton to Glasshoughton) May be a bit more than a mile but it's roughly halfway (closer to Castleford, yes but only about a 10-15 minute drive to Wakefield)
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Post by passenger859 on Jun 17, 2020 12:57:29 GMT 1
Whenever I’ve gone anywhere near Heckmondwike depot it looks pretty much to capacity now. It’s not like there’s a lot of free space around it either. Also, isn’t the road that runs between the garages a public road?
Just wondering if it could take any more buses. Then again, I supposed it coped 10/20 years ago, when I guess they had a lot more services.
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Post by guyarab on Jun 18, 2020 0:12:47 GMT 1
Why would Dewsbury services be split between Wakefield and Heckmondwike? Would the depot purely be there as a “ repair garage “? Most Dewsbury services that would be too far to be operated out of Heckmondwike go to Wakefield anyway, except the 202, 203 and 280. With regards to BI and Castleford there could possibly be land on or near the A6539 (new-ish road from Normanton to Glasshoughton) May be a bit more than a mile but it's roughly halfway (closer to Castleford, yes but only about a 10-15 minute drive to Wakefield) No Dewsbury services would be too far from Heckmondwike; the two towns are only a couple of miles apart.
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Post by guyarab on Jun 18, 2020 0:15:28 GMT 1
Whenever I’ve gone anywhere near Heckmondwike depot it looks pretty much to capacity now. It’s not like there’s a lot of free space around it either. Also, isn’t the road that runs between the garages a public road? Just wondering if it could take any more buses. Then again, I supposed it coped 10/20 years ago, when I guess they had a lot more services. Swallow Street, Heckmondwike runs between the two garages and is a prime road for customers leaving Morrison’s across the way.
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