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Post by dlspotter on May 16, 2020 22:15:15 GMT 1
A few doubles went over from Selby to Castleford a couple of months ago with some Tempos going to Selby, presumably for the 408/409 to be operated from Selby depot, and for the 403 to be operated from the Castleford depot.
I was wondering if anyone would've known what the 403 would've interworked with at Leeds if it were to have been operated from Castleford?
Another theory that I had was that the 476 may have also been operated out of Castleford (as I read someone posted that it would terminate at J32 instead of Pontefract), with that route possibly interworking with the 187 as the 408/409 would no longer be operated by Castleford, (this would've probably meant the 187/476 would be operated on what are currently Selby doubles)
What else do people think here?
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Post by stephen01 on May 16, 2020 23:19:59 GMT 1
A few doubles went over from Selby to Castleford a couple of months ago with some Tempos going to Selby, presumably for the 408/409 to be operated from Selby depot, and for the 403 to be operated from the Castleford depot. I was wondering if anyone would've known what the 403 would've interworked with at Leeds if it were to have been operated from Castleford? Another theory that I had was that the 476 may have also been operated out of Castleford (as I read someone posted that it would terminate at J32 instead of Pontefract), with that route possibly interworking with the 187 as the 408/409 would no longer be operated by Castleford, (this would've probably meant the 187/476 would be operated on what are currently Selby doubles) What else do people think here? Have you solid proof of these vehicle movements and route swapping or is it hear say from on the forum
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Post by stevieinselby on May 17, 2020 11:13:24 GMT 1
Another theory that I had was that the 476 may have also been operated out of Castleford (as I read someone posted that it would terminate at J32 instead of Pontefract), with that route possibly interworking with the 187 as the 408/409 would no longer be operated by Castleford, (this would've probably meant the 187/476 would be operated on what are currently Selby doubles) Looking at the timetables on www.arrivabus.co.uk/globalassets/documents/coronavirus/yorkshire/from-30-march/services-from-selby-depot---monday-to-saturday-drivers-notes-removed.pdf, it's pretty clear that the 476 is interworking with the 493 at Pontefract, with the bus starting and ending its day in Selby. 476 arrives 0840 - 493 departs 0845 493 arrives 1033 - 476 departs 1040 476 arrives 1328 - 493 departs 1335 493 arrives 1527 - 476 departs 1535
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Post by dlspotter on May 17, 2020 18:09:18 GMT 1
Another theory that I had was that the 476 may have also been operated out of Castleford (as I read someone posted that it would terminate at J32 instead of Pontefract), with that route possibly interworking with the 187 as the 408/409 would no longer be operated by Castleford, (this would've probably meant the 187/476 would be operated on what are currently Selby doubles) Looking at the timetables on www.arrivabus.co.uk/globalassets/documents/coronavirus/yorkshire/from-30-march/services-from-selby-depot---monday-to-saturday-drivers-notes-removed.pdf, it's pretty clear that the 476 is interworking with the 493 at Pontefract, with the bus starting and ending its day in Selby. 476 arrives 0840 - 493 departs 0845 493 arrives 1033 - 476 departs 1040 476 arrives 1328 - 493 departs 1335 493 arrives 1527 - 476 departs 1535 That's only during this situation, usually the 493 and 476 interwork with themselves respectively. The post was meant as in if this situation hadn't occured
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Post by dlspotter on May 17, 2020 18:24:25 GMT 1
A few doubles went over from Selby to Castleford a couple of months ago with some Tempos going to Selby, presumably for the 408/409 to be operated from Selby depot, and for the 403 to be operated from the Castleford depot. I was wondering if anyone would've known what the 403 would've interworked with at Leeds if it were to have been operated from Castleford? Another theory that I had was that the 476 may have also been operated out of Castleford (as I read someone posted that it would terminate at J32 instead of Pontefract), with that route possibly interworking with the 187 as the 408/409 would no longer be operated by Castleford, (this would've probably meant the 187/476 would be operated on what are currently Selby doubles) What else do people think here? Have you solid proof of these vehicle movements and route swapping or is it hear say from on the forum It was mentioned on this forum, travelwestyorks.proboards.com/thread/5869/fleet-changes-jan-2019?page=25March 23rd I believe it was mentioned It was also mentioned in the same article about the 408/409 swapping to Selby and possibly the 403 swapping to Castleford, obviously it is hear say on here but wondering if there's background to it at all
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Post by twy7 on May 17, 2020 20:51:23 GMT 1
Have you solid proof of these vehicle movements and route swapping or is it hear say from on the forum It was mentioned on this forum, travelwestyorks.proboards.com/thread/5869/fleet-changes-jan-2019?page=25March 23rd I believe it was mentioned It was also mentioned in the same article about the 408/409 swapping to Selby and possibly the 403 swapping to Castleford, obviously it is hear say on here but wondering if there's background to it at all Im not sure if any proof could be provided because it has not happened yet. i was told about it by an arriva driver who said they were told by the union. he did tell me about new routes and they have been registered with the commissioner so because that part is true I guess the rest could be but it was only hearsay. It will be interesting to see if anything happens at all now. Im not a key worker so not used a bus or talked to a driver for a while.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 9:42:29 GMT 1
Let's say if this went ahead, and the rumours about the 403 was true, it'd be very interesting to see what the 403 would be interworked with, as the only one I could see it might interwork with is the 189? As that doesn't interwork with anything at the moment, can't be the 410/411 as they interwork and can't be the 167 as that interworks with the 184.
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Post by adam on May 18, 2020 13:47:11 GMT 1
But times could change to allow interworking with other services. I cant see it been the 189 though
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Post by dlspotter on May 18, 2020 13:57:30 GMT 1
But times could change to allow interworking with other services. I cant see it been the 189 though Could possibly just interwork with itself if timings allow for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 14:39:14 GMT 1
But times could change to allow interworking with other services. I cant see it been the 189 though It depends on what type of buses are going to be used, if it's double, there goes the 167/168.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 14:40:48 GMT 1
But times could change to allow interworking with other services. I cant see it been the 189 though Could possibly just interwork with itself if timings allow for it. Wouldn't there be driver rota issues if it interworked with itself, because all driver changes for Cas take place at Cas Bus station unless they change at Leeds Bus Station and would need some thinking
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Post by dlspotter on May 19, 2020 13:30:50 GMT 1
Could possibly just interwork with itself if timings allow for it. Wouldn't there be driver rota issues if it interworked with itself, because all driver changes for Cas take place at Cas Bus station unless they change at Leeds Bus Station and would need some thinking I know some changes take place at Pontefract for Castleford too with drivers being bussed back It could probably work with the 410 and have the driver change at Pontefract still.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 14:14:13 GMT 1
Wouldn't there be driver rota issues if it interworked with itself, because all driver changes for Cas take place at Cas Bus station unless they change at Leeds Bus Station and would need some thinking I know some changes take place at Pontefract for Castleford too with drivers being bussed back It could probably work with the 410 and have the driver change at Pontefract still. I thought all drivers changes on the 410/411 took place at Castleford, as a driver takes a 411 from Cas to Chequerfield, then does a 410 to Chequerfield to Leeds and then the 410 back to Chequerfield and then the 411 to Castleford, where there is a driver change. I thought the cycle worked liek that
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Post by stephen01 on May 19, 2020 15:40:56 GMT 1
I know some changes take place at Pontefract for Castleford too with drivers being bussed back It could probably work with the 410 and have the driver change at Pontefract still. I thought all drivers changes on the 410/411 took place at Castleford, as a driver takes a 411 from Cas to Chequerfield, then does a 410 to Chequerfield to Leeds and then the 410 back to Chequerfield and then the 411 to Castleford, where there is a driver change. I thought the cycle worked liek that it is like that. Was exactly the same when the 410 used to interwork with the 189 at Leeds when the 410 still ran to Doncaster
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Post by jst on May 19, 2020 17:43:45 GMT 1
Could the 403 interwork with the 163/6 circuit? Considering they share a common route as far as Garforth?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 19, 2020 17:58:04 GMT 1
I’d say the 167/168 is most likely. The 189 & 163/166 uses branded E400MMCs of course so I doubt it would be them. Although the 167/168 doesn’t use the bus station.
If any trips have to be double deck, they could interwork them with the 410 and have to do a driver changeover at Pontefract
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Post by stephen01 on May 19, 2020 18:43:49 GMT 1
I’d say the 167/168 is most likely. The 189 & 163/166 uses branded E400MMCs of course so I doubt it would be them. Although the 167/168 doesn’t use the bus station. If any trips have to be double deck, they could interwork them with the 410 and have to do a driver changeover at Pontefract if they were to change over at Pontefract they'd either have to have some drivers there for a few hours at a time like Heckmondwike depot do at Cleckheaton Bus Station for the 200, 228 & 255 as some changes are done there with drivers travelling between sites on the 268 so for Cas Drivers going to Ponte and back they would have to get the 184 (30 mins) or 411 (25 mins) although i'd guess the 187 could be quicker and more direct. Also seen on Arriva website a statement about 188 operating as a larger bus so are unable to serve fryston village and Fairburn Ave.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 19:04:20 GMT 1
I’d say the 167/168 is most likely. The 189 & 163/166 uses branded E400MMCs of course so I doubt it would be them. Although the 167/168 doesn’t use the bus station. If any trips have to be double deck, they could interwork them with the 410 and have to do a driver changeover at Pontefract if they were to change over at Pontefract they'd either have to have some drivers there for a few hours at a time like Heckmondwike depot do at Cleckheaton Bus Station for the 200, 228 & 255 as some changes are done there with drivers travelling between sites on the 268 so for Cas Drivers going to Ponte and back they would have to get the 184 (30 mins) or 411 (25 mins) although i'd guess the 187 could be quicker and more direct. Also seen on Arriva website a statement about 188 operating as a larger bus so are unable to serve fryston village and Fairburn Ave. The 411 is the quickest way. 187 takes the longest as that goes via both Airedale and J32. Nice to see Pulsars on the 188, makes a nice change.
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Post by stephen01 on May 19, 2020 19:38:05 GMT 1
if they were to change over at Pontefract they'd either have to have some drivers there for a few hours at a time like Heckmondwike depot do at Cleckheaton Bus Station for the 200, 228 & 255 as some changes are done there with drivers travelling between sites on the 268 so for Cas Drivers going to Ponte and back they would have to get the 184 (30 mins) or 411 (25 mins) although i'd guess the 187 could be quicker and more direct. Also seen on Arriva website a statement about 188 operating as a larger bus so are unable to serve fryston village and Fairburn Ave. The 411 is the quickest way. 187 takes the longest as that goes via both Airedale and J32. Nice to see Pulsars on the 188, makes a nice change. the 411 also goes via Jct 32 but i think it must take 35 mins then
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 19:47:32 GMT 1
The 411 is the quickest way. 187 takes the longest as that goes via both Airedale and J32. Nice to see Pulsars on the 188, makes a nice change. the 411 also goes via Jct 32 but i think it must take 35 mins then 411 is defo a lot quicker though. And it's every 30 minutes as well. In half term the 187 can be a huge nightmare at J32 because that has to come in and out of J32.
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Post by jst on May 19, 2020 21:21:08 GMT 1
I’d say the 167/168 is most likely. The 189 & 163/166 uses branded E400MMCs of course so I doubt it would be them. Although the 167/168 doesn’t use the bus station. If any trips have to be double deck, they could interwork them with the 410 and have to do a driver changeover at Pontefract A lot of day time 403s (certainly before coronavirus!) probably justified a double decker. Could brand the 163/166 buses as for the 403 too and upgrade to Sapphire standard?
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Post by stephen01 on May 19, 2020 23:09:57 GMT 1
the 411 also goes via Jct 32 but i think it must take 35 mins then 411 is defo a lot quicker though. And it's every 30 minutes as well. In half term the 187 can be a huge nightmare at J32 because that has to come in and out of J32. the 411 does too though so if quickest way to get to Ponte without going via JCT32 is getting the 184 or Ross'125 as they are the next quickest routes to Ponte.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 23:59:17 GMT 1
I’d say the 167/168 is most likely. The 189 & 163/166 uses branded E400MMCs of course so I doubt it would be them. Although the 167/168 doesn’t use the bus station. If any trips have to be double deck, they could interwork them with the 410 and have to do a driver changeover at Pontefract A lot of day time 403s (certainly before coronavirus!) probably justified a double decker. Could brand the 163/166 buses as for the 403 too and upgrade to Sapphire standard? Isn't the 163/166 buses already Sapphire Standard I'm pretty sure. The 189 buses are Max Branded Spec I think
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Post by stephen01 on May 20, 2020 7:15:56 GMT 1
A lot of day time 403s (certainly before coronavirus!) probably justified a double decker. Could brand the 163/166 buses as for the 403 too and upgrade to Sapphire standard? Isn't the 163/166 buses already Sapphire Standard I'm pretty sure. The 189 buses are Max Branded Spec I think correct. 163 & 166 are now indeed Sapphire branded and the 189 is Max branded
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Post by jst on May 20, 2020 7:49:32 GMT 1
A series lot of day time 403s (certainly before coronavirus!) probably justified a double decker. Could brand the 163/166 buses as for the 403 too and upgrade to Sapphire standard? Isn't the 163/166 buses already Sapphire Standard I'm pretty sure. The 189 buses are Max Branded Spec I think Yes but the 403 isn't which is what I was suggesting would be upgraded.
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